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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby celery2010 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:13 am

And heres the final big issue:

Winston Just Doesn't Truly Understand Asian Culture

Deep down, even Winston admits this.

He only states how much he hates how conformist people are.

Does Winston even know what makes Chinese or Asian culture tick?

How would he expect to have success in this matter?

Like we've previously stated, even ugly, undesirable guys get women. And some of these shows were amongst the top rated shows of all time.

Like Beauty and The Beast.

BUT

EVEN THE BEAST HAS BE TO CHARMING

NO ONE WANTS AN UNCHARMING BEAST
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby MarcosZeitola » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:04 am

celery2010 wrote:EVEN THE BEAST HAS BE TO CHARMING

NO ONE WANTS AN UNCHARMING BEAST


I've talked to Winston for a few hours over Skype and I can confirm that he is not, in fact, someone who comes across as socially awkward, odd or plain weird. He is well-spoken, has a sense of humor and during the course of our conversation, has not brought up conspiracy theories a single time. He readily admits he is very much a flawed man, and does not hide or bullshit around when it comes to his failures; he's remarkably open with them, compared to the average man.

Also, when talking to him one-on-one, I feel he is very open to suggestion. He admitted to me that maybe his plan of finding a wife in China is a bad idea, that maybe a Chinese woman is not right for him when it comes to settling down. At the same time, he's in a sort of limbo because he does still enjoy himself in China, enjoys the food and the company of the women - problem is, they're just not putting out and they are too calculating and driven by materialism for his taste.

When you take away the profanity, the philoshophical gibberish, the excuses, the past mistakes and the pre-conceived notions you have of the man, what remains of the man is a very authentic human being looking for love and companionship in a place where women seem more focused on dollar signs. He also mentioned feeling very bad about not being able to attend an important milestone in his sons life, and told me about this. That also speaks for his character.

Winston is not a beast, he's not a bad guy. He's a fool at times, and he made and probably still will make many mistakes. But no need to demonize him too much. I myself have made the mistake of judging him a bit too harshly and getting too emotionally involved in a previous debate. Now I've taken a few steps back and taken a more neutral approach, I can see how that was unwise of me.

To sum it up: 'Tis a beast, but a charming beast he is.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Winston » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:05 am

Banano wrote:From my limited experience with chinese women I can say that they are the least romantic and most pragmatic women out there and I dont find those traits particularly attractive. They are walking calculators.


+ 1000

Yes that's exactly my point. That's a perfect summary of Chinese women in a nutshell. Even if they are kind and sweet, still their main character is calculating and pragmatic.

I find it hard to resonate with them and connect with them, especially since I'm a big romantic and chinese women see true romance as an impractical illusion, which they admit to.

I've seen rock and Ethan talk to chinese women and they seem to be able to connect on their frequency and wavelength whereas I cannot.

I am able to get tons of dates in China though. So my social life with girls is infinitely better than in Taiwan or America. The problem is that I'm not able to escalate those dates into the bedroom.

Furthermore, I cannot use my flirtation skills to build chemistry and attraction like I can in philippines and Russia because chinese women don't respond to flirtation. It's not their style. They are too serious. So my flirtation skills are rendered inept.

I talked to MarcosZeitola at length about this on the phone and he agrees.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Winston » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:20 am

Smallcheese and celery,
You are getting out of control here and using too many ad hominem attacks that aren't even true.

Now you say I have no experience with women? Dude I've had many girlfriends and gone out on thousands of dates. It's all documented in my journals and photos and history. Everyone here knows about it.

So now you guys are making up lies about me to fuel your hate? If so you guys are long gone and hopeless.

Smallcheese, FYI I'm telling you the truth. I have no bias against you and if you had given me the same advice as rock, word for word, I would not attack you or yell at you.

I am a mirror and give what I get. So if I attack you then you need to look at yourself and figure out what you did wrong, which in your case is obvious.

I talked to MarcosZeitola for a few hours and found him to be mature and down to earth. So why can't I do that with you smallcheese? Is there something wrong with you?

MarcosZeitola is in his early 20s yet he sounds so much more evolved and mature than you do, even though you claim to be older than me. How do you explain that smallcheese?

It's also possible that you smallcheese, come from the USA which has a toxic culture and therefore produces toxic personalities like yours, whereas MarcosZeitola comes from a more authentic healthy European culture.

Either way, MarcosZeitola definitely acts more mature and level headed than you do.

Ask any guy here who knows me. I am not biased or subjective or unfair at all. I call it as I see it and I am fair. So your claim of me seeking confirmation bias are unsubstantiated.

Sorry I've been busy lately. I will now pm you my Skype contact smallcheese.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby smallcheese » Fri Apr 24, 2015 8:26 am

Winston wrote:Smallcheese and celery,
You are getting out of control here and using too many ad hominem attacks that aren't even true.

Now you say I have no experience with women? Dude I've had many girlfriends and gone out on thousands of dates. It's all documented in my journals and photos and history. Everyone here knows about it.

So now you guys are making up lies about me to fuel your hate? If so you guys are long gone and hopeless.

Smallcheese, FYI I'm telling you the truth. I have no bias against you and if you had given me the same advice as rock, word for word, I would not attack you or yell at you.

I am a mirror and give what I get. So if I attack you then you need to look at yourself and figure out what you did wrong, which in your case is obvious.

I talked to MarcosZeitola for a few hours and found him to be mature and down to earth. So why can't I do that with you smallcheese? Is there something wrong with you?

MarcosZeitola is in his early 20s yet he sounds so much more evolved and mature than you do, even though you claim to be older than me. How do you explain that smallcheese?

It's also possible that you smallcheese, come from the USA which has a toxic culture and therefore produces toxic personalities like yours, whereas MarcosZeitola comes from a more authentic healthy European culture.

Either way, MarcosZeitola definitely acts more mature and level headed than you do.

Ask any guy here who knows me. I am not biased or subjective or unfair at all. I call it as I see it and I am fair. So your claim of me seeking confirmation bias are unsubstantiated.

Sorry I've been busy lately. I will now pm you my Skype contact smallcheese.


What are you talking about??? I never said you had no experience with women. You're confusing me with Celery2010.

I asked you if you or your friends (Rock, Ethan) had ever been married before. You never answered that question.

If anything, you are the one who accused me of having no experience with women and living out of my parents' basement. Even though you had no idea who I was.

Winston wrote:I talked to MarcosZeitola for a few hours and found him to be mature and down to earth. So why can't I do that with you smallcheese? Is there something wrong with you?

MarcosZeitola is in his early 20s yet he sounds so much more evolved and mature than you do, even though you claim to be older than me. How do you explain that smallcheese?


How about we talk first before you make statements like this? Statements like this make it sound like you've made up your mind about me. Again, I believe this is the bias against me that you already seem to have.

Let me ask you a few simple questions. Hopefully you'll answer in a civil manner.

1. Why do you use foul language, insults and cursing to attack me when I never did that to you? Do you think that is called for and justified when the other person never used that type of language against you? Is this the type of behavior you condone and encourage on your forum?

2. If I attacked you using the same type of foul language that you used against me, please show me when I did that. I will gladly apologize to you if I did that to you first.

3. How is my claim that you are already biased against me unsubstantiated? This is what you wrote from page 13 of this thread:
Winston wrote:I'd like to talk to smallcheese sometime to see if he's down to earth or acts like an arrogant know it all like a typical expat. I highly doubt that he is down to earth. He is way too condescending and uses unfair ad hominem attacks on me. He probably is not that mature too. We will see. I'll pm him my Skype info.


You are already thinking this is true. So you will try to confirm it when you talk to me. Your words, not mine.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Early Riser » Fri Apr 24, 2015 11:42 am

There's a way to eliminate women who won't be your type. The trick is to figure out your type. After looking over all the relationships I've had with women, I noticed a striking pattern: when they worked, I was he-who-is-loved. When they didn't, either she was she-who-is-loved or I tried to be he-who-loves.

Every workable relationship is reciprocal. One person gives, the other receives. One loves, the other is loved.

It's not easy for the one who is loved. He or she has to:

1. Care for
2. Respect
3. Respond appropriately
4. Know the one who loves.

Perhaps, Winston, you could start by typecasting yourself, based on your past relationships. Are you he-who-loves, or he-who-is loved?
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby chanta76 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 1:29 pm

marcos,

You spk to him on the phone but i think between two guys it's one thing and between winston and a girl is another. Again this is speculation on my part. I think around guys Winston may act one way but around pretty girls he will act in another way.

This happens to lots of guys . I never thought Winston to be a horrible person although I think morally he is lost . At the same time I think Winston is monger at heart even though he wants a real relationship I think he wants more of that James Bond type where there is easy access of women. I mean what guys doesn't want that but that's more fantasy.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Winston » Fri Apr 24, 2015 4:00 pm

My dad's response to this thread:

"So, how is Dongguan compare to ShenZhen, smaller but more friendly? It is a big help that you have a friend there. Don't try to deal with too many girls at the same time. It is not about how many girls you dated. It is about whether you find one that is a good match to you.

I read some of your forum topics. You have many forum friends who are willing to give you suggestions. Although some used the words that hard for you to take, but I believe most of them are sincere advices with good intention. Try to refrain from bashing back. If you don't like them, just ignore them. You need as many friends as you can. Of course, there are always some low lives who would use every chance to put others down. Theses are exceptions. Just tell them you don't like that and they need to stop.

Good luck."
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby celery2010 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:53 pm

Winston wrote:This is the last message I got from Summer, the girl who did a 180 on me. It shows her true colors and a warped mentality.

" I don't think we can to be friends,if you want a girl friend,tell you truth,you need spend much money to her,when I stay with you,you let me feel uncomfortable,like when we go to movie,I want buy water and popcorn,you don't want,when I ask you to but star buck for me,you don't buy yourself,you just want share mine,you are so mean,I really don't like that,all time I feel you try to save money,you gave me the gift,all gifts is very cheap,I really don't enjoy ,I think Chinese man much better than you

Sorry to say that,but that is true,if you just want spend a little money than you want find woman or girl friend,that is impossible,I just try to let you know"

My logical response to her:

" I did buy popcorn for you when we first went to movie remember? But you didn't eat it. Only I did. So I think you don't like popcorn.

You didn't say you wanted popcorn last time. You don't communicate clearly. I told you I don't like sweet popcorn so I didn't buy it. If you wanted it you could've asked me. But you were silent and moody.

Chinese are not generous. They like to save money. It's is chinese character. You know that.

Anyway if you really like or love someone, these little things don't matter.

I was going to buy you more expensive gifts on our third date. But you began to be cold and moody to me.

Money does not help or hurt attraction. A relationship is all about chemistry. I've gone on many dates and money never helped me. I've spent a lot of money on girls before and it did not help or change their feeling. Remember I have more experience than you."

" You always lie and trick me. You said we could be friends but now you say we can't. You always change what you say. That's not honest or stable.

I was a gentlemen to you. I paid for most things on our dates. So I did the right thing according to traditional culture."

" You sound like you hate me. Why? You are using little things against me. Only someone with a subconscious hatred problem would do that. You forget all the good things about us and only remember little faults. Strange.

I didn't want Starbucks because Starbucks Coffee is a bad value and not worth the price. 30 rmb can buy dinner and is worth far more than a cup of sugar coffee. So I do not buy coffee there. It's illogical and a bad deal. But it's nothing against you.

I just wanted to taste your coffee. Not drink it. I thought we were a couple. Couples can share drinks. It's normal."

" You are spinning and twisting things and exaggerating things and not making any sense.

You can ask my friend rock if I did anything wrong. He will be honest and not take my side if I am wrong."

" You don't have to spend a lot of money to make a girl like you. Most people would disagree. I have more experience in dating than you. You should listen to me. A man is not required to buy everything a woman wants.

Are you saying a man should never say that something is too expensive? Are you crazy? You sound like a Russian woman. Not a Chinese woman. Chinese women are frugal and love to save and hate ripoff prices. We both know that. I am chinese too."

" You can ask any wise or smart person. They will tell you that a man should NOT give a woman expensive gifts on first or second date. To do so would be stupid and foolish. Everyone knows this summer. Why don't you?"



OH....MY....GOD.....

I can't believe you actually wrote this to a woman.

THIS is the source of your problem.

You DO LACK TACT.

Why don't you try to just let the woman talk and just say uh-huh. Then wink at her and flirt with her.

Man.......

I don't even know where to start...........
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby celery2010 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:54 pm

I want you to send this to 100 random women, 30 mainland women, 30 asian american women and 30 western women and 10 taiwanese women or equiv.

And ask what their honest opinion of your repsonse is.

And let the statistics speak the truth.

Statistics don't lie.

And 100 women is statistically large enough to get a good sample.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby celery2010 » Fri Apr 24, 2015 5:56 pm

celery2010 wrote:Here's the thing, Winston.

There's even been famous tv drama shows about ugly, nerdy, undesirable guys getting beautiful women.

I'll bet a huge sum of money that you can't even name 2.

There's 2 very good examples that i think you should watch.

But i'm not gonna reveal them to you yet.

You JUST don't deserve them yet.

You've gotta do a little work, and if you start to progress, maybe you'll get some tips.

Have you ever really watched ANY Asian TV Drama or Movie?



Any response to this one?
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby Winston » Fri Apr 24, 2015 6:54 pm

ethan_sg wrote:The girls don't always fully get what he's saying because of his less than perfect Mandarin but then I come in and make conversation with the girl and explain what Winston's trying to say and then the girl starts warming up to us. For instance the other day on the street, he randomly approached this cute girl with a luggage bag on the street in the Guomao area in Shenzhen (busy downtown part of Shenzhen). It was the most random thing but she was quite responsive to us and then asked us if she could borrow a mobile phone because hers was out of battery. So I lent her mine and then she told us that we should have a drink together, we then sat together at the nearby KFC and talked. Before long we then invited her to have dinner with us together at a nearby Italian restaurant and she readily agreed. We got her wechat contact and over the last few days I've been having talking a lot to her and just like that she becomes another decent dating prospect. Credit where credit is due, Winston is actually a pretty good wing-man in a place like China despite the language handicap!


Actually I can get most things across. If I can't say something in Chinese I just use my English chinese dictionary app on my smart phone. When Ethan is around I just ask him instead of using my dictionary because it's faster.

Ethan gets a kick out of seeing me cold approach because very few guys can do it. He finds it entertaining to watch me ask innocent questions and then transition to "by the way you're beautiful. I'm from America and I want to make friends with you." before they leave after giving me directions. Lol

As to that girl we met on the escalator in the mall, yeah she is a real gem and keeper. She has this wholesome personality and goody two shoes vibe, like a girl from "little house on the prairie".

But I've been building a little rapport with her too. So maybe me and Ethan will end up fighting over her. Hahaha. Lol.

Just kidding. I'm in dongguan now and last night me and zboy got 5 or 6 numbers and wechats. A new record. The girls seem more relaxed here.

I just went out today with the one we met at McDonald's last night. I can sense that she likes me and has some interest. She told me that she finds my personality very charming even though my face isn't that handsome. So I definitely do have personality working in my favor.

Also she finds me refreshing because everyone else in her family and life are very rigid and narrow minded and can't understand her need for freedom and to be happy and follow her heart. So she finds my broad open mindedness and easygoing nature and deep insight to be refreshing and different from the norm in China.

So you see, there are women who appreciate my qualities.
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Re: Winston is in China now! Updates and Reports

Postby droid » Fri Apr 24, 2015 7:33 pm

That's great Winston I really admire that about you, you're a cold-approach machine, it can be seen in your videos. I still struggle feeling i'm breaking some law if they don't make eye contact first or if there is no significant enough of a subject to start off the conversation. I just don't feel like shoulder-tapping moving targets.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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Postby Winston » Wed Apr 29, 2015 8:35 am

Update: I finally scored!!!

I'm in zhuhai now. It's a nice relaxing city with trees and waterfront. Lots of scenery and walkways by the seaside, including a big Island. A great place to rent a bike to cycle around the waterfront and island too.

Anyway the good news is that I found a girlfriend in dongguan. She's a freethinker and open minded girl who is only 26. She appreciates me and my website and articles and viewpoints. So we connect at a deeper level. She's an artist too and likes guys who think for themselves. She finds me charming too.

She came with me to zhuhai for a while and we got intimate in a room. She was very passionate. :) so my dry spell is finally over. Wow. I can't believe it!

The funny thing is that when I met her with zboy at McDonald's we were asking her why i wasn't scoring in China. She said that I have to be patient. Lol. Her English is impressive and she has a vocabulary of 10,000 words and a sweet disposition too.

I'm here in Zhuhai because it's next to Macau. Im flying back to Taiwan for a while and the flights are cheaper from Macau than from Hong Kong. I need to change my luggage and clothes and get medicine from my doctor there in Taiwan. And also visit my parents as well. Then I'm going to visit my son in Philippines after that, before I come back to China, since I missed his kindergarten graduation ceremony.

Also zhuhai is more peaceful and relaxing so I preferred to come here than do the Shenzhen and hong kong route again. Plus it's nice to chill by the waterside. I'm not a big city guy like rock and ethan_sg are and do not thrive in them the way they do. They feed off the hustle and bustle of big cities whereas I feed off peace and quiet and beautiful scenery. Lol
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Postby smallcheese » Wed Apr 29, 2015 10:37 am

Winston wrote:Update: I finally scored!!!

I'm in zhuhai now. It's a nice relaxing city with trees and waterfront. Lots of scenery and walkways by the seaside, including a big Island. A great place to rent a bike to cycle around the waterfront and island too.

Anyway the good news is that I found a girlfriend in dongguan. She's a freethinker and open minded girl who is only 26. She appreciates me and my website and articles and viewpoints. So we connect at a deeper level. She's an artist too and likes guys who think for themselves. She finds me charming too.

She came with me to zhuhai for a while and we got intimate in a room. She was very passionate. :) so my dry spell is finally over. Wow. I can't believe it!

The funny thing is that when I met her with zboy at McDonald's we were asking her why i wasn't scoring in China. She said that I have to be patient. Lol. Her English is impressive and she has a vocabulary of 10,000 words and a sweet disposition too.

I'm here in Zhuhai because it's next to Macau. Im flying back to Taiwan for a while and the flights are cheaper from Macau than from Hong Kong. I need to change my luggage and clothes and get medicine from my doctor there in Taiwan. And also visit my parents as well. Then I'm going to visit my son in Philippines after that, before I come back to China, since I missed his kindergarten graduation ceremony.

Also zhuhai is more peaceful and relaxing so I preferred to come here than do the Shenzhen and hong kong route again. Plus it's nice to chill by the waterside. I'm not a big city guy like rock and ethan_sg are and do not thrive in them the way they do. They feed off the hustle and bustle of big cities whereas I feed off peace and quiet and beautiful scenery. Lol


Congratulations Winston! That's good to hear. There's nothing like breaking a dry spell though you might have to be careful and not overdo it in the beginning. :-)

Sorry we couldn't connect a few days ago. I was talking to my wife and when I got onto Skype, you were away. I waited but finally had to go to sleep. But send me a PM if you have time and want to talk to me. I'm not always online in Skype.

You're in Zhuhai? Hmmm if you're not with your girlfriend and you cross over to Macau for some fun, let me know what you're interested in and I can point you in the right direction. There are free buses that go from Zhuhai to several Macau hotels, e.g. Wynn, Venetian. And most of the large Macau hotels have free shuttle buses to Macau Airport. Ask around and someone should be able to tell you where the hotel buses to Macau are located in Zhuhai.

You should definitely pick up Macau's famous egg tarts, which are like 10 for $11 USD at Margaret's Café or at Lord Stowe. Delicious but fattening (I can never resist)!!! The skyline in Macau (especially the areas near the Venetian) looks very similar in size and scope with Vegas, though they don't have a strip like Las Vegas Avenue. But the size of the hotels are just as big and it's very grand and luxurious inside the hotels. You can easily spend a day just walking and exploring the many hotels around the Venetian.

There's also the Macau Tower, which is in the old part of Macau, and you can bungee jump from the top if you'd like. The best hotels in the old part of Macau are Grand Lisboa, MGM Grand, StarWorld, Wynn, Mandarin. The best ones in the newer part of Macau (Cotai Strip) are Venetian, Galaxy, Hyatt Regency, Crown. They are still building new hotels there though things have slowed down due to the economy. Check out the female greeters in the lobby of StarWorld. They're all Amazons, beautiful women who are a minimum of 6 feet tall in heels. And then there are the infamous Macau massage parlors. :D :D :D :D If you need any more info, let me know.
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