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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby ladislav » Fri Jun 19, 2015 3:22 pm

ryanx wrote:
ladislav wrote:

This is a typical girl? THIS IS A TYPICAL GIRL??!!


Yes, siree. But do keep in mind she's made up and all. Girls like these are just waitresses and cashiers here.

Please insert these words in Google images

українські дівчата

And you will see Ukraine girls.
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby Ghost » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:21 pm

The war has put a blanket on most such activities. As far as ugly, please pm me your picture.


Sounds encouraging then, and makes sense that a state of war would have made women act more sensibly.

My only knowledge of Ukrainian women comes through a free dating site I used and a craigslist ad I put up. Never got any real interest. The best I got was conversation that didn't end as soon as they saw my picture. I just assume all white women are prejudiced against ugly men and don't really care about them anymore. It's either looksism or they just ignore any man who can't come see them right away, I suppose.

So about the political situation, do you hear many Ukrainians wanting to join the EU? Specifically as a way to "fix" this mess with Russia?
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby Banano » Fri Jun 19, 2015 4:41 pm

Winstoning(p4p) must be blossoming in time of war and uncertainty, I imagine prices would be down but I could be wrong as I was always shocked by prices hookers charge in EE


How much per pop in brothel/escort?
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby chanta76 » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:36 pm

Roosh is a white American guy so I think in Ukraine they tolerated him. If it was a black guy who wrote that book or gasp an Asian guy that was able to pull it off I don't think they put them on TV.
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby droid » Fri Jun 19, 2015 10:42 pm

Yep, this is brutal
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1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby celery2010 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 1:47 am

chanta76 wrote:Roosh is a white American guy so I think in Ukraine they tolerated him. If it was a black guy who wrote that book or gasp an Asian guy that was able to pull it off I don't think they put them on TV.


He's Turkish/Iranian guy and looks it too. I believe i read that many Turks, Italians visit and don't have the best reputation. In my personal opinion, there are some russians/ukrainians who will be a bit racist (toward asians), but many others will not be. it is much better than in western europe for someone asian.
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby BlackKnight » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:51 am

I'll be there in late July reporting for travel whiz after another month in Poland ;)

http://www.travelwhiz.org/women-of-poland.html
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby ssjparris » Sat Jun 20, 2015 7:23 am

long time no talk you guys. i see alot of new people in here that weren't here i couple of years ago.

anyways, question to ladislav.

how can i find an apartment for around $400 per month in kiev ukraine. i mean i looked online and could only find one at the lowest price of $900 per month. YIKES !!!! .

So i assume i need a local to help me find something cheap there to live in. thanks alot ladislav.
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby ladislav » Sat Jun 20, 2015 10:04 am

Saw a black guy the other day walking with a blonde. I guess the locals have gotten used to it by now. Black people are now more or less part of the landscape. Have not seen an Asian with a local yet.

As far as Roosh, he was basically seen as an American only. It would be a serious speculation of what the reaction would be if it was a black guy with a similar book. Kind of hard to imagine a black guy writing a book like that. Although a certain "Philochko" ( look for him on youtube under "Philochko, Ukraine") has come close.

He has made some pretty outrageous statements- one of them was that when he moved from Russia to Ukraine, he didn't see any difference between these two countries. With a big smile, he declared: "There's no difference except the flags". Saying this would be say tantamount to standing up on the main square in Dublin, Ireland and declaring that there's really no difference between England and Ireland.

Earlier though he was pretty upset that the Russians don't see the difference between black Americans, black Caribbeans and black Africans. And it's true, they don't. This is why all these African students there pretend to be black Americans, do hip-hop and American rap and steal the credit from Americans. He wasn't a happy camper about the whole thing.

The difference between Russia and Ukraine were too subtle for him to see, as well, then. To me, the people look really different- they are shorter, for one, also, very individualistic, more polite, but less friendly. Even if they speak Russian, the accent is very clear and I can tell ( as one would be able to tell a Scotsman from an Englishman by the accent and demeanor). Also the houses are different. But all these differences are lost on him. Not to mention that they have two national languages that are different. Which he can barely speak.

Anyway, Philochko is still in Ukraine and having fun. You can find him on youtube.com.

Black people in Ukraine are doing the opposite, though. They are dressing up in local clothes and singing local songs. Some songs they sing are really hickish, though= very old folklore. Kind of like singing "Clementine or Row Row Row your boat".

They get invited to parties to entertain and are loved for it.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWPEVupLvR4[/youtube]

A pop in a brothel is apparently under $50 now. As far as apartments go, yeah they are $900 a month if you look for them in English. If you do a search in Cyrillic, they drop significantly.

Yes, either ask a local while here or ask someone to do a search in Russian for you and call/email them to reserve.

The blonde girl you have posted is a common occurence - particularly in smaller towns and villages.
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby Signet » Sat Jun 20, 2015 2:08 pm

droid wrote:Yep, this is brutal
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What a disgusting pig. Only a complete loser would try to get with something like that.

~America

Honestly, I've never really had a ton of interest in Ukraine, but this older lady I work with keeps trying to get me to go there to find a girl, lol. This chubby American girl who keeps making passes at me (she's married with three kids, including a <6 month old) heard about it and said women in Ukraine look like men, and that only Americans who couldn't get an American woman would go for something like that. It biases me a little more toward it than I might have been otherwise.
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby droid » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:32 pm

ladislav wrote:The blonde girl you have posted is a common occurence - particularly in smaller towns and villages.


+1

signet wrote:What a disgusting pig. Only a complete loser would try to get with something like that.
~America

Honestly, I've never really had a ton of interest in Ukraine, but this older lady I work with keeps trying to get me to go there to find a girl, lol. This chubby American girl who keeps making passes at me (she's married with three kids, including a <6 month old) heard about it and said women in Ukraine look like men, and that only Americans who couldn't get an American woman would go for something like that. It biases me a little more toward it than I might have been otherwise.


Hey ladislav great info. We're bombarding you with questions Lol
Let me ask you, how about single-momhood, is it very common? or can you find available women without kids? If you had to give it a number, what percentage do you think are single moms?

I don't know if you've read my other posts, but I'm down in Colombia right now and it has been really tough finding a woman without kids. They're delusional, expecting you to still painstakingly court them. I've dated a few hot chicks, but i just can't commit to adopting some other dude's kids.

I wonder if it's any better in Ukraine (or Russia for that matter)
(*praying while waiting for answer).
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby romparoo » Sat Jun 20, 2015 3:44 pm

I am going to piggyback on Ladislav's thread. If you want a second opinion, this is it, coming from someone who was in Ukraine recently, and more than once, and did not limit himself in just Kiev.

Women:
Yes. Like Ladislav said, waitresses do look like that. Waitressing are lower paid jobs, so these are filled by many who came from nearby country towns and villages. The feminity oozing from these women was truly stunning. I had not seen so much feminity in my entire life. Many Ukrainian women have big bosoms, so if you're a breast man, your eyes will hurt because there are 'so much to see' :P Some work uniforms expose a lethal dose of cleavage (no, it's not strip club or something dodgy, just normal restaurants). The women usually caught me looking despite I tried not to (you know, I had been femi-conditioned 'not to act rude by staring'). Surprisingly, they take this very positively. One woman in particular served my dinner exclusively, ensuring I have an upclose 'look' at her assets while giving me smiles :D Ukrainian women don't fear men. In western countries, the women will try to make sure you keep a distance from them in public places. In Kiev, try take the metro and the funnicular. Hot women pretty much rest on you, no problem at all. I have to warn you mongers though, don't grope them. The image of western men is already very tarnished. Don't make it worse.

Men:
Ukrainian men like to act tough, perhaps a little too much. Gangterism is part of life, not because they choose the thug life, but because the thug life chooses them, courtesy of the sudden Soviet collapse leaving no real politicians but armed thugs, mainly Russian. Corruption is very rampant. Many things can be bought, such as a Ukrainian drivers license, or an EU passport. A big percentage of Ukrainian men look tough and rough, but that doesn't mean they are gangsters. Many are down to earth, and if you get to know them you will see it. In one of my flights I encountered a Ukrainian couple. They shared with me their homemade sandwiches, chocalates and some expensive vodka they bought during the flight. This is something totally disappeared from western world. Hopelessness is the biggest problem grippling the men, and women too. Many men are jobless and scraping by especially in industrial towns, because men choose degrees like engineering that leads to little labour mobility. Many men have already left working in nearby Poland in manual labors bringing the bacon back home.

People in general:
Many locals can look moody and impatient. Overall, the locals are very tired of the gangsterism and corruption that are running wild in the country. To cut this off once and for all, the Russian influence in the corridor of power has to go. I was surprised to see there was pretty much no newspaper even in Kiev! So whatever the people get, they get it from Russian TV. Russian influence was very heavy especially in small towns, but the younger generations in the country has woke up due to the internet, and said enough is enough. Russian TV's are now banned.

Race issues (Black):
I counted 3 black people, only one is a woman who's on a photoshoot. I think this African lady is meant to be on a brochure luring African students to study in Ukraine. The others I think were either students, or Americans thinking they can get an easy lay. I asked the locals, and they told me many black students have fled since Russia invaded. Contrary to what Ladislav said, I do not think blacks are becoming more mainstream. If you watch their version of MTV, you will see a few music videos with a token black guy. But if you go to youtube and watch the same video, you will see racial abuse in cyrillic in the comments section. That philo guy, well he's an actor so he can keep riding that hollywood wave, but black skin is still not commonly accepted. They have a name for black + white mix. It's not the N word though. And I have met locals (young guys) who said it is ok to have black friends, but not ok if they live in the same neighbourhood. Ouch! Indians, having dark skin, also have a history of getting walloped in the street at night. There are practically no indians to be seen on the street.

Race issues (Asian):
Their number is a bit more than blacks. Those I saw are: business / corporate type (from Japan and China usually with hot Ukrainian female translators), uni students (more males than females and usually stick together as many Chinese people do in a foreign country). Many stuff are made in China these days, and Chinese made cars are cheaper and sort of acceptable in Ukraine. I am of East Asian stock myself. I got treated quite well and never experienced any race specific discrimination. I even got a free drink in a restaurant, apparently I was the only one who looked 'foreign'. I never encountered 'that rude Ukrainian service' as many had shared online regardless of race. I also went to a posh bar that made Asian food. My opinion was very highly regarded. There was no real Chinese food, but the Japanese food was quite legit, and made by the locals. The fact that I stopped by Maidan and looking at their stories of the revolution was very appreciated. The locals knew their struggle will now be told when I returned to where I originally came from. I had a Maidaner gave me a tour. I visited the wall with stray bullet holes where snipers started killing civilians. I was also told stories not found in western media. I also walked alone at night, and sometimes accompanied by a local lady. No issues. There were local men pestering p4p and massage on the street especially close to dinner time. One interesting incident is when a big group of far right youths marching near Maidan with torches shouting loud slogans, presumably anti-Russian slogans. They marched right pass me. There was not a single word of racial slur, no weird staring of any kind. There were also soldiers patrolling the streets sometimes. They were indifferent to my presence.

Foreign men:
The image is very tarnished because too many western men are sex-mongering. Turkish men and Italian men have the worst reputation. American comes second worst. The biggest impediment to success with the local women is language and time on the ground. Many local women who can speak English well have already left for greener pastures (ps. getting into EU is easier than you think). What's left is a cottage industry scamming western men. Most Ukrainian women are down to earth, and have dignity. They despise the idea of fleeing by marrying random westerners. And they really hated the cottage industry scamming western men. Many beautiful photos you find online are stolen or simply sold from one party to another. Meet any real Ukrainian women, and they will tell you to stop doing that online thing. You got to have boots on the ground and spend a fair bit of time locally. It only works this way.
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby chanta76 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:26 pm

ladislav,

That youtube clip of "black stars in Ukraine", I can tell those are not American blacks but more African blacks or possible Caribbean blacks. I never been to Ukraine so I can't say how race relation is like but my guess is as long as the blacks number are small and stay modest the Ukraine people might tolerate them. This will also apply to an Asian people in the country . I think race relationship sours if there are too many 'different ' people in the country either taking their job or women. That's when you will see Ukraine or white nationalism come out.
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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby chanta76 » Sat Jun 20, 2015 5:36 pm

romparoo,

I'm the belief that white people compared to any other groups have a higher rate of racism in the line of white nationalism. Not saying that Asian don't do it but they do it at a lesser degree because in the past there was western countries that colonize parts of Asia so you have some Asians that understand why white guys and Asian girls happen. For white people they like to think they are the best.

Turkish men and Italian men are just dark skinned white people but I'm not in the Ukraine so I don't know how prevalent the sex tourist mongers are. But I do agree mongers f***ed it up for everyone and spoil the place and make it hard for everyone.

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Re: Ladislav in Kyiv Ukraine Now

Postby ladislav » Sat Jun 20, 2015 9:27 pm

Thanks for everybody's input- great info.

I have met two Arabs who live here permanently- one Lebanese and one Syrian. Their Russian is fluent, and it looks like they are totally integrated. Both own restaurants and have beautiful girls in them. One Syrian guy makes falafel, and the girls inside were hugging him all the time. I was endeared by the picture.

I guess you are right about the numbers. There are not many minorities here and as long as they stay in small numbers, things are OK.

Even today, it's weekend, and I am on the main street of town-Khreschatyk, and there are virtually no foreigners walking around.

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Half black kids are called "mulaty". I have seen some and they walk with white people. It's not uncommon now.

One needs to keep in mind that Ukraine is different from one part to another. In Odessa, the mulaty are more common and black students there are better integrated. In Kiev, so so; in Kharkiv, it's worse. It really depends. Odessa is very cosmopolitan, the East and the Center- not so much. The West is Catholic and can be tolerant or intolerant depending on the city. It really depends.

As far as single mothers, it's not such a common occurrence here as it is in the Americas. Most younger ladies I have seen do not seem to be single mothers.

Now, the times are very critical, so the people's minds are not on other races. They try and look normal and have fun, but in the last days, another wave of mobilization began. Military reps visit people in offices and even colleges and give them draft notices. The girl I'm with now told me that her teachers at the university were handed draft papers right at work, and now they must leave their chairs and off to the military bases they go. No one knows what will happen next.

The so called separatism is now called by its most obvious name- the Russo-Ukrainian war. The last one was in 1917-1921.

In addition to that, the internal problems are eating away at the society. People are saying things have gotten worse, not better. Corrupt officials are still in their positions. Someone told me that Maidan 3.0 may happen and then, a military government will come to power. Then, a Chile/Argentina like scenario may unfold.

Today I went to Mezhihirya- Yanukovich's private paradise. I felt like I visited the Garden of Eden.

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The smell of flowers, the statues, the gazebos everywhere. The ponds, the private galleon. It was insane.
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