The JFK Assassination Conspiracy and Cover Up

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Winston wrote: How do TPTB get the media and police department in on it though? Doesn't anyone have morals?
Yes, but selective. People will do evil if it gets them approval from their peers, and justify it by saying it was necessary, and finding a way to blame the victim.
Winston wrote: How did they get the police to help in the cover up and framing of Oswald? How did they get the secret service to stand down? How did they get the driver, William Greer, to agree to slow the limo down to 10 mph until the fatal shot to JFK's head? How did they know that they would all cooperate? It can't just be that they were paid can it?
Loyalty to organization + partisanship + a dark desire to submit to a feared power + cash bonus + security for life + sense of being an insider + fear
Winston wrote: How many people would agree to a conspiracy to murder someone? I don't know anyone that would.
Anyone who wanted to show off, to get paid, to take out his aggressions, to feel part of a team, and who had something against the victim or what the victim stood for, and who thought he would get away with it.

If pay is enough, and personality is arrogant enough, blaming the victim is not even needed. This kind of person can make a good hit man..... or a chemtrail pilot.

20% of all people are plain evil, and 80% of people can be persuaded to be evil with the right circumstances and enough persuasion.

That's why Constitutional-style government of some kind is necessary - along with death penalty. And why religion and morals are worth teaching.
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Jester,
Check out this take on things to my question on the David Icke forum. Isn't it pretty disturbing?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216594

"A group? Yes. Secret? No.

Well to be fair there is always the possibility that it could be a secret unknown group or groups always trying to infiltrate with varying degrees of success.

The central banking cabal is still at the top of the pyramid though and their globalization through controlling all the world's resources, usury, economic monopoly, etc. via warfare, terrorism, their media, their police, their intelligence agencies, etc. It's not a secret or really a conspiracy. When shills and useful idiots deny it as if it is some kook fantasy idea it's baseless accusation. Same thing with those shills who say that no one power controls the world. That's technically true, but the ones who do number in the single digits and are basically tentacle arms of the same octopus.

When people use the term illuminati, it's true that they are generally speaking about the these guys and their various subsidiaries. There are also groups in history who have called themselves illuminati who either have worked for these guys or have worked against them. Some even for the greater good.

A cover up is a good indication they are all working for the same purpose. Any loose ends (and there are circumstantial and non-circumstancial loose ends) could cause their house of cards to fall. In recent years they're getting sloppy. The whole Osama raid comes to mind. Whatever that really was, we only have clues from the locals and initial reports, none of which had anything to do with Osama and everything to do with a Pakistani military raid with no real indication of a SEAL involvement, an exploded helicopter which killed several people because the neighbors saw the corpses, and then later on the 'accidental' crash that killed SEALs allegedly involved.

The laughable Osama story (including magic DNA, instant sea burial, no photos, and a video of some old guy watching and 'Osama' video from behind) is the cover up for whatever occurred here by the media arm of the banksters (Which never reports actual truth, not even local news. If you're ever involved with even local news you'll see what I mean).

What we and our fellow humans need to come to terms with (if we haven't already done so) is that our government is not elected by the people. That is an illusion. They own us through contract slavery. They are an ownership class. They will never seriously investigate any of their crimes, including the JFK assassination, the USS Liberty incident, 9/11, etc. The media propaganda is written by them like Hollywood screenplay writers. Some of it IS written by Hollywood screenplay writers. Once they establish a narrative, the narrative becomes history. They will never revisit it or revise it unless it suits their purposes. Never.

All these people trying to get a new investigation going for 9/11 are wasting their time. They'll never approve of one and they'll never allow 3rd parties access to what is essentially their private property. We need to spread awareness from a rational POV so people understand this and overthrow them in a civil manner. They own the police and the military, but the police and military are mostly our people. Their leaders are not, but the people can be persuaded to denounce their leadership and take our side. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I gotta hope.

One example of an established fake narrative is Iran Contra. Iran Contra and the courtroom drama was televised. This was a conspiracy theory that became conspiracy fact. A lot was written about it and it was no longer a secret. Since that time, the establishment has revised the narrative to make it sound better. Something to do with hostages which is not what it was about. It also ignores who it created the Los Zetas who trouble the US border today (which we still arm...). Or the Jessica Lynch story. There is Jessica Lynch's official recollection of the events backed up by everybody there. Then there is the media story which claims some sort of heroic rescue from terrorists that is currently the official story. Lynch is considered 'crazy' from being traumatized. This is meant to debunk the actual history despite it being backed up by others. That's another tactic they use. "
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What is "disturbing" about it. The Illuminati have been around for at LEAST 5,000 years if not more like 150,000 years. They have MANY loyal servants who look just like regular people. When told to do what they are told to do for "the great plan of the ages" they will do it without question...indeed with great gusto.

These servants do not need to be paid...they LOVE doing what they are doing..it makes them feel important....and people LOVE to feel important and have some "power" over other people or have some "secret" from other people.

The fact the Illuminati are running the world is about as secret as the sun rising in the morning...and equally taken for granted and ignored.
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Winston wrote:Jester,
Check out this take on things to my question on the David Icke forum. Isn't it pretty disturbing?

http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?t=216594

"A group? Yes. Secret? No.

Well to be fair there is always the possibility that it could be a secret unknown group or groups always trying to infiltrate with varying degrees of success.

The central banking cabal is still at the top of the pyramid though and their globalization through controlling all the world's resources, usury, economic monopoly, etc. via warfare, terrorism, their media, their police, their intelligence agencies, etc. It's not a secret or really a conspiracy. When shills and useful idiots deny it as if it is some kook fantasy idea it's baseless accusation. Same thing with those shills who say that no one power controls the world. That's technically true, but the ones who do number in the single digits and are basically tentacle arms of the same octopus.

When people use the term illuminati, it's true that they are generally speaking about the these guys and their various subsidiaries. There are also groups in history who have called themselves illuminati who either have worked for these guys or have worked against them. Some even for the greater good.

A cover up is a good indication they are all working for the same purpose. Any loose ends (and there are circumstantial and non-circumstancial loose ends) could cause their house of cards to fall. In recent years they're getting sloppy. The whole Osama raid comes to mind. Whatever that really was, we only have clues from the locals and initial reports, none of which had anything to do with Osama and everything to do with a Pakistani military raid with no real indication of a SEAL involvement, an exploded helicopter which killed several people because the neighbors saw the corpses, and then later on the 'accidental' crash that killed SEALs allegedly involved.

The laughable Osama story (including magic DNA, instant sea burial, no photos, and a video of some old guy watching and 'Osama' video from behind) is the cover up for whatever occurred here by the media arm of the banksters (Which never reports actual truth, not even local news. If you're ever involved with even local news you'll see what I mean).

What we and our fellow humans need to come to terms with (if we haven't already done so) is that our government is not elected by the people. That is an illusion. They own us through contract slavery. They are an ownership class. They will never seriously investigate any of their crimes, including the JFK assassination, the USS Liberty incident, 9/11, etc. The media propaganda is written by them like Hollywood screenplay writers. Some of it IS written by Hollywood screenplay writers. Once they establish a narrative, the narrative becomes history. They will never revisit it or revise it unless it suits their purposes. Never.

All these people trying to get a new investigation going for 9/11 are wasting their time. They'll never approve of one and they'll never allow 3rd parties access to what is essentially their private property. We need to spread awareness from a rational POV so people understand this and overthrow them in a civil manner. They own the police and the military, but the police and military are mostly our people. Their leaders are not, but the people can be persuaded to denounce their leadership and take our side. Maybe that's wishful thinking, but I gotta hope.

One example of an established fake narrative is Iran Contra. Iran Contra and the courtroom drama was televised. This was a conspiracy theory that became conspiracy fact. A lot was written about it and it was no longer a secret. Since that time, the establishment has revised the narrative to make it sound better. Something to do with hostages which is not what it was about. It also ignores who it created the Los Zetas who trouble the US border today (which we still arm...). Or the Jessica Lynch story. There is Jessica Lynch's official recollection of the events backed up by everybody there. Then there is the media story which claims some sort of heroic rescue from terrorists that is currently the official story. Lynch is considered 'crazy' from being traumatized. This is meant to debunk the actual history despite it being backed up by others. That's another tactic they use. "
I read through the responses on the Icke site to your posts there. Really not too great overall, I thought Icke fans would be better informed. I think Alex Jones's followers might be better-informed, though there is a LOT of spam & disinfo comments on his sites. Henry Makow's site has the most thoughtful commenters I think, reflecting Henry's thoughtful if negative nature.

Anyway, by far the best response IMO was exactly this one that you have re-posted here (that I re-quote above). This guy nails it. They are masters of layered falsehoods aka partil limited hanguts... allowing hem to operate with a certain amount of openness.

Oh yeah Kennedy got killed - look, a Commie (Oswald)!
Oh yeah, the Commie got killed - look, a Mafia guy (Ruby)!
Oh yeah, it wasn't just the Mafia guy, the CIA was really behind it!
Oh yeah, a Frenchman did it!

And if the whole truth comes out - just go on whistling and ignore it.

Reminds me of the time when Vernon Jordan was busted for some outrageous crime... it may have been the time he was lying and trying to intimidate Andrew Young's ex... or some other scandal... anyway, I'll never forget what the lying piece of shit said when confronted by the press, asking what he was going to do now tha all this had come out: "I'm just going to go on with my life."

Like Edward G Robinson playing Little Caesar, a cigar in his mouth, sneering, "Yeah, so what?"

In other words, if you pull the curtain down, and there is the guy behind the curtain shouting into the speaking tube, still trying to fool you into believing there is a wizard of oz.... he's going to stay in character and try to get you to buy into the manufactured image.

These guys are like a troupe of hardcore, dedicated, professional improv performers, they just go the f**k on with their distorted narrative, dead serious, and have planted other performers in the audience who watch you, and keep shaking their heads and smirking if you fail to believe the whole thing. Oh and the do have scriptwriters working for them. Guys in think tanks, but they also hire actual Hollywood screenwriters, just like in the movie "Wag The Dog". And yes, I have proof. I think I have posted again, I will another time.

It really is out in the open, to a great extent. I read on the web just 3-4 years ago that all the central banks in the world except Iran and North Korea were privately owned. I said bullshit, conspiracy theory, over the top. Then I read a MSM newspaper article, either WSJ or LA Times, page 11 or something, that mentioned "Iran's central bank, which is government -owned...". In other words a clear confirmation that government-owned central banks are th exception, not the rule. In New York, at Fox Business or on the floor of the NYSE, etc. I'm sure lots of folks know quite a bit about who owns what - the just don't tell us.

You hear about murky institutions like the International Bank of Settlements, chartered by someone or other. You think, oh, it's chartered by the UN, or by the Swiss, or whatever, and you think it's public, bland, harmless. Wrong. EVERY company and bank are "chartered" by someone - otherwise they wouldn't exist. But they also have owners. Profits can be extracted in various ways - dividends to preferred stockholders, dividends to common stock holders (the Fed's are secret), interest payments to bondholders, sweetheart deals to cronies (like AIG bailout), maket manipulation (recent LIBOR scandal)...

So yes that guy is right -- it's almost not a secret.

It's like Las Vegas in the old days. Everyone knows mobsters control casinos... everyone knows the public loses overall... but they just play along. The mobsters play a game, stay low-profile, have front men.... But it's all a business, it's all about extracting all they can. Would you call Mafia control of casinos a "conspiracy"? Maybe.. A "secret conspiracy"? Hell no.

On the NaughtyNomad Forum or Roosh Forum, I forget, one of the PUA's who came back from Colombia reported that cocaine is discreetly available everywhere, and free if you get if you know someone..... and that Pablo Escobar is alive. And that he had met him. That Escobar's death had been faked to satisfy the Americans. (Sounds familar. right?)

I thought the dude was joking, pulling our leg.

Nope.

The cocaine thing has checked out. Turns out they serve it at clubs in Buenos Aires too. Plus why not - our troops in Afghanistan guard poppy fields... So anyway I now believe the Escobar thing, though I don't have proof.

Ok enough for now....
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Peter,
Check out these threads and webpages that try to prove that Jacqueline Kennedy killed her husband, JFK. It's pretty wild. What do you think?

http://letsrollforums.com/jfk-jackie-mk ... 20429.html

http://jackiekilledjfk.wordpress.com/

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread312928/pg1

http://www.realityreviewed.com/JFK%20murder.htm

It does make an interesting point though. When JFK is first hit, Jackie looks at John Connally, rather than her husband, which is unusual, as if she was waiting for some signal. Then she puts her hands on his shoulder as if propping him for something. Then after the fatal head shot, she climbs onto the trunk of the limo to try to get something, while a Secret Service agent does too. Maybe it was a gun or device they were trying to retrieve?

See here:

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Also, in these images of the fatal head shot, you can see a projectile shooting upward, as if the shot came from below.

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What do you think? Is this theory even remotely plausible?
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Peter,
I have a question.

Why hasn't the Kennedy family ever talked about the JFK or RFK assassinations?

Surely they must think that it's too far of a stretch that both Kennedy brothers, who were both going to stop the Vietnam War, were suddenly taken out by lone nut assassins with no motives.

Surely they don't buy that coincidence?

Why hasn't the Kennedy family ever talked about this? Why didn't Ted Kennedy say anything about it? What about RFK Jr? Why didn't JFK Jr say anything about it when he was alive? Why didn't RFK say anything about the JFK assassination?

Why is it that so many of them get killed like in B horror movies, but say nothing about it? It's like they are following some kind of bad script where all the characters miss the obvious.

I wonder what they talk about in private regarding all the mysterious deaths in their family.
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Winston wrote:Peter,
I have a question.

Why hasn't the Kennedy family ever talked about the JFK or RFK assassinations?

Surely they must think that it's too far of a stretch that both Kennedy brothers, who were both going to stop the Vietnam War, were suddenly taken out by lone nut assassins with no motives.

Surely they don't buy that coincidence?

Why hasn't the Kennedy family ever talked about this? Why didn't Ted Kennedy say anything about it? What about RFK Jr? Why didn't JFK Jr say anything about it when he was alive? Why didn't RFK say anything about the JFK assassination?

Why is it that so many of them get killed like in B horror movies, but say nothing about it? It's like they are following some kind of bad script where all the characters miss the obvious.

I wonder what they talk about in private regarding all the mysterious deaths in their family.
Winston,
Why don't you ask JFK jr why he never spoke out publicly....oh...forgot....that's right...his light plane mysteriously blew up.

You have to remember. These people can kill ANYONE with plausible deniability using an MK Ultra mind controlled slave to create the "lone nut assassin" story. As Bush senior is alleged to have said "Who you gonna call?"

There is no one to call.

There is no one coming from Galactic Federation of space pixies and fairies to save us. Ben Fulfords Ninjas are mysteriously quiet. Tim Turners restored republic is mysteriously quiet. Roger Hayes got thrown in jail the other day in the UK.

If men do not throw off these tyrants themselves then its not going to happen and men do not deserve to be free. It is that simple.

When I was initially approached by the Illuminati and offered a job I realised they could kill me any time they liked. So I devised my own way of protecting my own life.

All they did after that was some really laughable phone harassment. They would call hookers and book them in my name and give them my number. They booked hotels and airline tickets. They would call me and try and tell me stupid shit with an electronic distortion of the voice. I used to invite them over to my local restaurant to come have a meal and talk to me man to man. They are cowards. They would not do that.

So then the created web sites to slander me and joined forums I was on to tell lies about me.

These guys get real pissed when they can not just kill you. But these low level shitheats like Chris Merrett are nits. They don't know anything about what is going on. They are too stupid to realise they are betraying their own children and Chris has adult children.

So yes Winston. If a man is going to get out in the front of the public and do the things I am doing...whether he be Kennedy or just a regular guy like me? He had better solve the problem of not getting dead.....

I mean really. Why do you think I am not dead yet? You think that is just some kind of accident?

Those men who want to make a difference but do not want to get out in front of the bad guys and make a target of themselves? They should stay silent, watch CAF and MBA and decide what to do for themselves.
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Explosive Jackie O tapes 'reveal how she believed Lyndon B Johnson killed JFK and had affair with movie star'

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article ... death.html

Last words of Lee Harvey Oswald compiled.

http://www.ratical.org/ratville/JFK/LHO.html
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Check out this taped confession by E Howard Hunt, a CIA officer who worked for Nixon, about his inside knowledge about the JFK Assassination. It was made by his son before he died. There is audio and video of the confession.

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There are whistleblowers from insiders about the JFK assassination. Thus, the question of "Why hasn't anyone talked?" is wrong because insiders have. For example, E Howard Hunt, a long time intelligence officer who worked for Nixon and engineered the Watergate burglary, gave a deathbed confession to his son before died about his involvement and knowledge of the JFK assassination. It was both filmed and taped, and can be found on YouTube. It was also featured in Jesse Ventura's "Conspiracy Theory" in an episode about the JFK assassination, which you can find on YouTube as well.

Wikipedia reports this confession on their website:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E._Howard_ ... _and_death

"Late JFK conspiracy allegations and death

During the last few years and months of Hunt's life, he made several claims about the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, as reported by his son Saint John Hunt. In audio recordings, discussions and writings, Hunt said (according to his son) that he and several others were involved in a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy.[55] He said the codename the conspirators gave for the operation was "The Big Event," and that Vice- President Lyndon B. Johnson ordered the assassination and assigned Cord Meyer to implement the details. Meyer recruited the people who planned and carried out the killing, including David Phillips, Frank Sturgis, David Morales, William Harvey, a French gunman, and Lucien Sarti, who worked for the Mafia.[55][56]
Hunt died on January 23, 2007 in Miami, Florida of pneumonia[57][58] and is buried in Prospect Lawn Cemetery, Hamburg, New York. Hunt's memoir American Spy: My Secret History in the CIA, Watergate, and Beyond was published by John Wiley & Sons in March 2007.[59]"
The mainstream media didn't like this, so they ignored it and did not report it. And Vince Bugliosi didn't like it either, since it ruins his whole 1600 page book "Reclaiming History" that argued that Oswald did it alone. So he reacted with cognitive dissonance, and accused Hunt's son of fraud, totally ignoring the fact that he had a taped confession from his father. This can only mean that Bugliosi is totally agenda-driven and not interested in truth. Or else too rigid to accept that he is wrong. Either way, Bugliosi is wrong when he claimed that there are no whistleblowers in the JFK assasssination conspiracy.

Former President and Warren Commission member Gerald Ford also made a confession before his death in 2006:
http://crimemagazine.com/former-preside ... assination

"In his final public words, former President Gerald R. Ford said the CIA destroyed or kept from investigators critical secrets connected to the 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy. The stunning admission by Ford—a member of the Warren Commission that investigated the JFK assassination—is contained in the foreword to a new edition of the commission's report, "A Presidential Legacy and The Warren Commission". Ford died in late 2006 at the age of 93.
In the new book, Ford said the commission's probe put "certain classified and potentially damaging operations in danger of being exposed." The CIA's reaction, he added, "was to hide or destroy some information, which can easily be misinterpreted as collusion in JFK's assassination.""
There are other whistleblowers as well. Colonel E. Fletcher Prouty, Chief of Special Operations for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, exposed the plot to get rid of Kennedy. He even wrote books about it, such as "The Secret Team" and "JFK, The CIA, Vietnam, And The Plot To Assassinate John F. Kennedy" (available on Amazon.com) In Oliver Stone's film JFK (1991) he was featured as the "Mr. X" character who gives Jim Garrison (played by Kevin Costner) inside info and counsel. And LBJ's mistress, Madeleine Duncan Brown, reported that she overheard him talking about getting rid of JFK. You can hear her testimony on YouTube.

Additionally, there are whistleblowers in the mob as well, which were involved in the plot at a lower level, such as mobster boss Carlos Marcello and Johnny Roselli. (See the History Channel series, "The Men Who Killed Kennedy".) So you see, the lone nut apologists are wrong when they say that there are no whistleblowers.
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Here is another damning piece of evidence:

Barr McClellan, LBJ's attorney, reported that LBJ likely masterminded the plot to kill JFK, and in fact, had a long history of having people killed who were a danger and threat to him, using his friend and hitman Malcolm Wallace. In fact, LBJ even had his sister Josefa killed because she threatened to expose his crimes. McClellan wrote a book about this called "Blood, Money & Power: How LBJ Killed JFK".

In fact, Malcolm Wallace's fingerprints were found on the sixth floor of the Texas School Depository on boxes at the crime scene where Oswald was accused of having shot President Kennedy from. Nathan Darby, America's foremost and most experienced expert on fingerprint examination, said that the match was a 100 percent certainty. In spite of this, the FBI rejected this critical piece of hard evidence. Does that tell you that the FBI is interested in truth?

For more info on this see here: http://www.viewzone.com/lbj/

Episode 9 of "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" by the History Channel, covers all this. See below. This episode was banned from airing because LBJ's family threatened to sue the History Channel over it.

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Check out my new conspiracy report with over 70 logical conspiracy arguments. It covers JFK, 9/11 and the Moon Landings. I've covered every argument I know to make it as comprehensive as possible.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Conspiracies.htm
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Here is something that the major media and the powers that be don't want you to know. Apparently, there have been many whistleblowers and confessions from insiders about the JFK Assassination. Even though they have come out, the major media have ignored them as though they don't exist. That should tell you how interested in truth the mainstream media is (not). In any case, the conspiracy debunker claim that "Someone would have talked" is wrong because many whistleblowers and insiders in fact already have "talked".

Here is a list of them:

- E Howard Hunt, CIA operative for Nixon and Watergate conspirator
- Gerald Ford, former US President and Warren Commission member
- Colonel E. Fletcher Prouty, Chief of Special Operations
- Madeleine Duncan Brown, mistress of LBJ
- Barr McClellan, attorney for LBJ
- Billie Sol Estes, legendary Texas wheeler dealer
- Mob confessions
- Joseph Milteer tapes
- Judyth Vary Baker, girlfriend of Lee Oswald

Details about their testimonies and statements can be found in this report:
http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Conspiracies.htm
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Check out this 1973 movie dramatization of the conspiracy to assassinate JFK called "Executive Action" starring Burt Lancaster. One of Jim Fetzer's guests recommended it, so I checked it out and it was really good and chilling. Here is the trailer and full film on YouTube:

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Executive Action, Full Film:

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Check out this new documentary called "Agent Oswald: The CIA Patsy". It was made by the Dark Journalist and is very good. It features many clips from people who knew Oswald and from government insiders and assassination researchers, which attest to Oswald being a CIA agent framed for the murder of President Kennedy. The last part about Oswald's body after it was exhumed years later and what his mortician Paul Groody discovered about it, will run a chill up your spine!



Have any of you listened to the full one hour radio interview with Lee Harvey Oswald from August, 1963, after he was arrested for getting into a fight while distributing flyers for the "Fair Play For Cuba Committee"?

I just listened to it. It's very interesting. Oswald comes across as very intelligent and level headed. It's very interesting to hear him and get a sense of his personality. He was very articulate and good with words for a 24 year old. He makes a lot of sense too, and doesn't sound like a lone nut who is violent and unstable, as the government claims. (But then again, Mark David Chapman, the assassin who killed John Lennon, also sounded very sane and rational in his interviews as well) Listen to it and let me know what you think. There are two interviews of Oswald. The first one is 40 min and the second one is 20 min. Here is the link:

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