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Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

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Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby Winston » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:18 am

Much of all this info regarding conspiracies is ambiguous. One can only speculate regarding the agenda behind conspiracies because it's all a secret of course. However, let's try to apply some common sense here.

All this conspiracy stuff is too black and white, almost like a religion. The elite can't be all "evil forces of darkness" vs. us the "innocent good guys". That is too black and white, with an "us vs. them" mentality, and more like what religions preach. In reality, the world is very complex and is not that black and white. There must be some good people among the elite. They can't all be "the bad guys" like characters in some movie, can they? People in real life are not all good or all bad (like in the movies); they are a mixture of the two.

It's also hard to believe that so many people could be in on something and agree to it. In reality, it's very hard to get a lot of people to all agree without dissent to being in on the same agenda, especially people in power and high places since these types are used to getting their way, not being told what to do. The elite have very big egos, so imagine how much harder it would be to get them to all agree on some secret agenda.

Humans tend to fight and disagree, especially since they are governed by an innate moral conscience which is both in their DNA and in the "morphic resonance" energy field (coined by Rupert Sheldrake) that all living things share. It's too far fetched to believe that these "shadow elite" are all some collective hive mind that is plotting sinister things against the world, as though they were all "minions of the dark side of the Force".

Nevertheless, conspiracies do exist in that powerful people do get together and make plans in secrecy. No one disputes that. The only question is: What kind of plans, secrets and conspiracies are they? Are we talking about mundane secrets - such as "under the table" deals and alliances, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of arrangements, and covert operations involving power and profits? Or are we talking about a secret Illuminati plan of world domination and microchipping the population under a New World Order global government? Is there a fantastic conspiracy involving UFO's, Aliens and secret technology? Or just politicians with mundane dirty secrets involving money laundering scams, under the table deals, arms deals, sex scandals, and other mundane types of unethical behaviors?

Even Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of the elite's long-time geostrategists, has admitted on public TV in an interview with Charlie Rose that "dirty secrets" and "under the table deals" exist among the elite, but denies that there is any "Illuminati NWO plot" to take over the world and instate a one world government. If there is a NWO plot though, then is every country in on it? Or just the US and UK elite and the Zionists behind them? It's too far fetched to believe that the governments of all 200 countries of the world would all agree to be in on something.

All we know for sure are:

- The media and government often lie and fabricate things.

- There is definitely a shadow government that works outside of the democratic process and public scrutiny, to implement big changes that the elite think tanks want that would take too long if the public were involved. The Iran Contra Scandal revealed that shadow governments do exist. This shadow government is involved in a lot of sinister operations, but for what purpose, we don't know.

- The US military industrial complex and elite class, or whoever runs the USA (it's certainly not the common people), are definitely war mongerers who have a history and pattern of starting ridiculous unnecessary wars that don't make sense. (e.g. Vietnam, Iraq, etc.)They do not tell the public the truth about why they start them, but only give BS copout excuses that don't add up. So we can only speculate and guess on their true motives. All we know for sure is that they love getting involved with wars for some reason. Whatever their true reasons are, they are likely to be very disturbing.

- Too many important figures who would have changed the world for the better had they lived, have been murdered by too many lone nut cases (e.g. JFK, RFK, MLK, John Lennon). Had JFK and RFK lived, the Vietnam War would probably have never happened, millions of lives would have been saved, people would trust their government more, and the CIA/Federal Reserve/Military Industrial Complex (which Eisenhower warned about) may not have hijacked the USA as it has today. So two lone nuts changed the tide of world history for the worse? Yeah right.

Also, if Ralph Nader didn't cost Al Gore the election in 2000, the Iraq War and War on Terror may have never happened, since Al Gore is not a war monger type, and millions of live may have been saved. (assuming of course, that the election was real and that Gore really wanted to win) I wonder how Ralph Nader sleeps at night, knowing that he could have prevented the Iraq War mess had he not stolen votes from Gore. How can one stupid act from one stupid man change the course of the world like that and destroy millions of lives? It's just too convenient.

- The formation of the European Union and attempt to create a North American Union as well, are indicators of a NWO plan, since the formation of these unions would be a logical step they would take in order to consolidate power into an eventual one world government.

However, the key unanswered questions are:

- What is the true agenda of the elite? Are they really seeking to establish a NWO and one world government and have the population microchipped? Or do they just enjoy mind-fucking everyone and reveling in the chaos they create and set up, which they derive a form of "dark ecstasy" from? (a theory proposed by conspiracy researcher and podcast host Jeff Grupp)

- What do they want? Is it just about power, control and profit? Don't they have enough of that? What more do they need? Do they have a more sinister and hidden motive?

- Are the elite of all countries involved in the NWO? Or is it just the US and UK?

- Could the whole NWO thing just be a diversion? Why else would they allow millions of videos about it on YouTube and millions of websites/forums about it to stay up? Is it all part of their plan to incite us into a revolution? And why would they let conspiracy leaders such as David Icke and Alex Jones spread conspiracy knowledge to so many disgruntled people and expose the plans of the elite? Icke travels the world doing public seminars to spread his message, yet nothing ever happens to him. Isn't that odd? Are they shills? Or is what they do part of the elite's plans? Or do the elite view them as too small of a problem to bother with, especially since anything that happens to a conspiracy leader will be interpreted as a "silencing act" by the elite?

- Even if a NWO or one world government succeeded, how long would it last? History has shown that Empires don't last long without public support. Not even Alexander the Great or Napoleon could hold an Empire together long term. Empires are easily toppled by a combination of many market forces. No elite group can stop that. The elite must know this. Any NWO would be short lived. So I gotta wonder what their real agenda is.

All of this is inconclusive and ambiguous. It's hard to say if there is a NWO plot or not, and if there is, what the plot is really about. The motives don't seem to make any sense.

Any thoughts or comments?

PS - Here is an interesting article someone shared with me:

33 Conspiracy theories that turned out to be true
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-t ... hould-know
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Postby Winston » Tue Feb 14, 2012 11:20 am

Check out my friend's insightful comments about this topic:

I find these conspiracy theories interesting and some of the theorists seem to make pretty compelling arguments and there are many mysteries of the world we cannot explain. In Icke's case, it appears the reptile aliens either enjoy f***ing with humanity and enjoy working much harder than they have to. It would be far easier just to kill off most humans and raise a new breed of them in various warm climes like they raise catfish in Mississippi, not teaching any of them to read and treating them as servants/chattel. Look at how easy it was for a relatively physically weak white man to sometimes control 200+ African slaves and get them to do forced labor. The Africans were only imported to the Americas after the Indians died out from the arduous labor. The average Indian native could only last a few years whereas the African accustomed to the hot tropical sun could work 10-20 years. Yes, there were slave rebellions but most were quelled and put down and there were far fewer than one might imagine there would be. If human were raised without notions of liberty, democracy, etc. then they are subject to believe anything, as proven in many totalitarian regimes--just read Hannah Arendt's massive tome on the effective totalitarianism of the Nazi and Stalin regimes. Stalin just had history rewritten and was able to effectively convince people that things they assumed had happened NEVER happened, and history books were just rewritten. Surely a group of superior alien beings would be far more successful in running human "catfish" farms and breeding us for their precious blood fuel without going to the trouble of shape-shifting and sorting out the world's various complicated affairs, lol.

We had been advising in Vietnam since at least 1954 and JFK probably would have been forced to go along with the war since to not intervene would have been political suicide. Johnson was a smart motherf***er and he knew we could not win the war but he also knew he had no choice but to stay in it to appease the powers that be. Kennedy had already shown his willingness to take military chances as via the Bay of Pigs.

There is no doubt that all sorts of clandestine things are going on and have gone on probably from the time the first white man landed on "American" soil. As I said, I think the "truth" might even be so horrible and forbidding that if we were to know it we might all collectively suicide from the sheer horror of it all. :)


I too feel that there is some "horrible secret" about our existence, that may be out of this world, that we don't know about, or at least most of us don't know about. It's probably one of the biggest secrets there is.
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Postby Winston » Tue Feb 14, 2012 1:10 pm

Check out this very disturbing take on the NWO plans of the elite that someone explained to me.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thr ... id13454580

Perhaps it is more difficult to understand them, if you are not from Europe. Over here you can get a real sense of their secretive and mysterious lives from their old buildings, as well as the huge difference between "us" and "them". For example, Portugal is full of history of the Knights. One of their former houses in Sintra, Portugal, called "Quinta de Regaleira" is particularly unnerving:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/5787725.jpg

http://thepinkertones.files.wordpress.c ... o-xvii.jpg

It really is surreal. It has underground caves, hidden pathways and entrances, hidden symbols, secret doors, strange statues, creepy gargoyles and this initiation well:

http://www.portugalvirtual.pt/_tourism/ ... leira4.jpg

"Palace de Pena" is nearby on the same Ley-line:

http://www.travelblog.org/Photos/2257318

There's a good photo on this site that shows the buildings on the Ley-line very clearly:

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Quinta_da_Regaleira

It is actually like being in a horror film and you can get a real sense of the mentality of these people - of their seriousness and of how downright formidable and intimidating they are. It's very clear that this acts as an effective control of its members. However, I doubt it is often necessary as every member is chosen carefully and is only aware of certain information depending on where they are in the hierarchy.

You said that it must be hard to get people in high power to agree but one has to be a member to get in high power in the first place. They destroy all competition eventually when it suits them - just look at what they did to Barings Bank.

Then there are other ways they make people "agree". They keep "dirt" on their members, recordings of sexual deviances, drug addictions, etc. Or they just invent it - mud sticks, and high powered people don't want all that coming out in public, just ask Strauss-Kahn. He got too big for his boots in France and look how they controlled him - arrested and humiliated. He won't be President of France now, will he?!

Perhaps there are "some good people amongst the elite" as you say, but expressing that could cost them their careers, families or even their lives.

Is every country involved? I think the situation now is dire and every country has been infiltrated and is controlled in some way, otherwise they wouldn't feel so confident about coming out with the truth now. They've had control in Scotland/England and the USA for centuries, then they used the First World War to destroy all the powerful German families and caused a "revolution" to take Germany, which failed, then they lost Russia to Stalin. One of "Them" was interrogated by Stalin's police and confessed a lot of important information. His name was Rakovsky and the interrogation is in "Red Symphony":

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... _Symphony_

I think it's invaluable reading and explains everything about Marx and how Communism and Capitalism are being used very clearly.

Also, you can learn a lot about these people knowing that they are atheists but follow the teachings of Spinoza:

http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/spin.htm

To answer your key questions:

Yes, they have a very clear agenda - to "streamline" the world's population, mix the races, reduce the differences between men and women, reduce the age of puberty, reduce the age of "old age", have intelligent "Alphas" at the top and stupid "Deltas" to do all the mundane work. The higher in the hierarchy will psychologically not want to mix with the lower levels. The New World Order is all about psychological control so people are "happy" being slaves. It's diabolical but really very clever. It has potential to last forever as people will be too separate to organise themselves (hell, we can't even organise ourselves now!) and it is certainly conducive to a more progressive society where all the wealth and resources saved, will mean that we can start investigating and populating space much, much sooner than we ever would otherwise. For some reason, they are obsessed with going into space. This reason may be that they are the keepers of the information that Earth was visited thousands of years ago, I can only speculate, but I certainly don't believe in modern UFO stories.

I think your observation that the internet is flooded with NWO videos as a "diversion" to cause a revolution is correct. The internet itself is a means to an end. They will need a revolution to take full control just as they did famously in Russia. Firstly the people take over, mess it up and in all the confusion, "They" take power in the second revolution. They rely on the stupidity of the "homo-stultum" which they themselves have created through television, films and school-books.


Is that the true purpose of feminism, to "reduce gender differences"? Why? Isn't that an inhumane and nasty thing to do?
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Re: Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Postby PeterAndrewNolan » Wed May 23, 2012 1:35 pm

- What is the true agenda of the elite? Are they really seeking to establish a NWO and one world government and have the population microchipped? Or do they just enjoy mind-fucking everyone and reveling in the chaos they create and set up, which they derive a form of "dark ecstasy" from? (a theory proposed by conspiracy researcher and podcast host Jeff Grupp)

- What do they want? Is it just about power, control and profit? Don't they have enough of that? What more do they need? Do they have a more sinister and hidden motive?

- Are the elite of all countries involved in the NWO? Or is it just the US and UK?

- Could the whole NWO thing just be a diversion? Why else would they allow millions of videos about it on YouTube and millions of websites/forums about it to stay up? Is it all part of their plan to incite us into a revolution? And why would they let conspiracy leaders such as David Icke and Alex Jones spread conspiracy knowledge to so many disgruntled people and expose the plans of the elite? Icke travels the world doing public seminars to spread his message, yet nothing ever happens to him. Isn't that odd? Are they shills? Or is what they do part of the elite's plans? Or do the elite view them as too small of a problem to bother with, especially since anything that happens to a conspiracy leader will be interpreted as a "silencing act" by the elite?

- Even if a NWO or one world government succeeded, how long would it last? History has shown that Empires don't last long without public support. Not even Alexander the Great or Napoleon could hold an Empire together long term. Empires are easily toppled by a combination of many market forces. No elite group can stop that. The elite must know this. Any NWO would be short lived. So I gotta wonder what their real agenda is.

All of this is inconclusive and ambiguous. It's hard to say if there is a NWO plot or not, and if there is, what the plot is really about. The motives don't seem to make any sense.

Any thoughts or comments?



Hi Winston,

Sure I have thoughts and comments. The Illuminati agenda can not really be understood until you come to terms with the genetic manipulation of mankind. There is no doubt in my mind that we have been genetically interfered with in some significant way. People can go read up on Lloyd Pyes work if that want the evidence of that. Or just look around you. Genetically we are a disaster. Our skeletal structures could not possibly have “evolvedâ€￾. The fact we have been genetically altered is evidenced in our skeletal structures and diseases that should not exist like haemophilia and arguably epliepsy and the like. I mean, seriously, how does haemophilia “evolveâ€￾ in the most advanced species on the planet?

If you can come to grips with the genetic engineering of mankind the world looks VERY different. The “godsâ€￾ who “createdâ€￾ us are then our BENEFACTORS in THEIR eyes. Yep. They are not doing what they are doing to us because they are “evilâ€￾ they are doing what they are doing to us because they see that they are doing the “rightâ€￾ thing and they are our benefactors.

Example. A sheep farmer. Is he an evil tyrant or is he a benefactor to his sheep? He feeds his sheep well. He gives them a relatively good life, he keeps them safe from predators, he makes sure the young are well looked after, right? The price of this “good lifeâ€￾ is the wool off their backs and for the ones to be sold as meat their lives. Is the farmer “evilâ€￾? Well, we do not think of sheep farmers as “evilâ€￾ because we require them to treat the sheep humanely (note that word) and many of us benefit. Who has NOT benefited from sheep farming? I know I have.

So the Illuminati truly seem themselves as benefactors who have created a system where their farm animals are “happy enoughâ€￾ and they maintain the “herdâ€￾ so as to be able to derive their living for free for ever on the basis of “taxesâ€￾ or “sacrificesâ€￾ in the earlier times.

When seen in THAT light it all makes MUCH more sense. Now, some of the sheep farmers might disagree with each other from time to time. But one thing is for sure. They like their sheep farms and they do not want the sheep to “wake upâ€￾ to the fact they are being farmed.

Since they have been doing this since Babylon, which we are told is 6 or 7 thousand years ago they are pretty good at it. But I rather suspect Michael Tsarion is right in that they were doing this in Atlantis and Lemuria for a LONG time before that.

Their reason for doing this is as simple as the sheep farmers reason for doing what he does. The sheep farmer needs to provide for himself and his family and farming sheep is a good way to do that. Ditto the wheat farmer. And I came from “sheep and wheatâ€￾ country in Wagga Wagga.

Their agenda is to keep this up forever. Simple.

Now come the puzzling part. The Illuminati kept us in ignorance and controlled us through religion, money, taxes, law and war for the longest time. In Babylon were all there elements….seemingly coming out of nowhere. The native peoples all over the world did NOT have money, taxes, law and war to any large extent. They ALL had “religionâ€￾ about “godsâ€￾ and “spiritsâ€￾ etc.

The group that came out of Babylon then proceeded to expand their empire to take over the whole world again. Tsarion claims these were remnants of the Atlanteans after the nuclear holocaust with the Lemurians.

The descendents of the Babylonians ruthlessly moved on to conquer the world again. But I rather agree with Tsarion that places like China and India were still under Atlantean control at this time. You can see how ruthless the babylonians were when they got back to places like Africa, Australia, north and south America etc. Slaughter who nations of people. Charming.

They reinstanted their world control via the English in the 1700s. Funded by the scam of the Bank of England and the phoney doubling of the money supply in 1694.n Date from memory.

The puzzing part is this. The Illuminati have a target population of 500M people. Presumably for some good reason just like a farmer does not overstock his fields. Good in the short term bad in the long term.

At about 1700 or 1800 we are told the population was about 500M. The Illuminati organised plagues and pestilence and wars to make sure that the sheeple did not breed to fast. They also kept them ignorant about such as clean water, baterica etc so that people died from their ignorance of these simple things.

For some unknown reason the Illuminati started slowly introducing technology at about 1800. We got steam power, water power, then the internal combustion engine. We got advances in medicine. By 1850 the population was starting to grow and so in the 1870 the three world wars were planned to make sure the population did not grow to fast and to move away from “control by religionâ€￾ to “control by technology and the stateâ€￾. Remember, in 1870 there was no technology that could control individual people, mind control was achieved by religion, not technology. Indeed, lack of technology was a far greater controller. The effort required to produce food meant that 98% of people worked in food, clothing, housing production or raising children. There was no spare labour for anything else.

Think about 1850. Think what people did in those days from cradle to grave. Think of how little the “guvmentâ€￾ had to do with ANY of that.

As this new knowledge and new technology came into the public the age span of people suddenly rapidly increased. The mortality rate of babies and women in childbirth fell like a stone, the population started growing. By 1900 we are told it was 1 billion. The Illuminati seemed unconcerned because WW I was on the way. However, a funny thing happened. Even though 20 MILLION were killed in WW I with the subsequent impact on babies the population grew apace.

More and more technology was rapidly introduced and the second war was decided to be made a real BIG affair to kill off lots more people. And duly something like 50M perished in WW II.

Now. It is arguable whether the Illuminati simply misplanned the population growth or foresaw it. I do not know. But what they did about it is not arguable. In the 50s it seems the Illuminati decided that war was not the answer. The kill rate of the sheeple could not be made such that the population could be maintained with the technology that was being introduced. So they changed approaches. The new approach was to get the sheeple to stop breeding rather than simply killing them faster.

To whit they introduced the pill, condoms, feminism, acceptance of homosexuality, acceptance of abortion and set men and women at war with each other. All rather obviously to reduce the birth rates. Since “more childrenâ€￾ had been the mantra for 5,000 years it is obvious there is going to be some social upheaval as the idea that “every child is sacredâ€￾ is changed to “every child is evil incarnate because it uses up so much of god mother earths resources during its lifetimeâ€￾. We are in the middle of that change now.

Abortion is a key part of that change. The dehumanising of babies so they can be killed like rats. Charming.

The UN actually proudly boasts that 2 BILLION abortions have been committed since 1970. Boasts…think about that.

So. Feminism, and setting women at war with men by telling them lies that they come to be-LIE-ve is nothing more than a population reduction exercise really. The farmers say there are too many sheeple. Personally, I think they are right. I have met so many people who are so selfish these last 4 years if I were to try and write and essay on why they have a “divine right to lifeâ€￾ the paper would be blank. Most people are simply not very nice any more. If they ever were by the way.

Now we have 7 BILLION people on the planet and the target is 500 MILLION. Hhhmmmm. Feminism is driving men away from women and ensuring that men will not “protect and provideâ€￾ for women when the time comes for the cull of women. After all. You do NOT need to kill MEN to reduce the population. You only need to sterilise women and girls. The only way a new human being gets on to this planet is via a womans womb. If that womans womb can be interfered with through chemicals or death then no more babies come out of it.

So my prediction is this. We are not going to ascend at the end of the year. I think that is not the case. I think that the Illuminati will further introduce harmful chemicals that sterilise women and that the only path to reproduction will be via some form of “treatmentâ€￾ that is only available from them. They are also going to limit food production with their aluminium resistant seeds. They are trying hard to get WW III off the ground which will ostensibly be Muslims vs Christians.

If they get their plans we are heading into a social upheaval and war and chemical poisoning of the planet the likes of which have never happened. I already have my plans in place if that should happen. I reckon I am 90% chance to come out the other side and see what that brave new world with 500 million people in it looks like.

Personally? I am pretty sure it will look better than the world we live in today for most. Maybe not for me because I have a great life today. But most people today live in abject poverty.

If you look at it from the Illuminatis point of view. A population of 500M people who are so totally controlled they have NO chance of ever breaking out and being free, no more than a sheep on a sheep farm, who are mind controlled to love their servitude? Is that a bad thing? For anyone who has watched Brave new World where this is all laid out the people are “happyâ€￾ and the soma is good! LOL!!

This is what they are trying to do.

Me? The piece I oppose is the murder of all the small boys who are innocent and have done no wrong. They will be killed due to the betrayal of their fathers in failing to defend their sons. I oppose that. The ONLY way I can see to stop that is to remove all members of guvment in each country which is what I have created the circumstances to do in Australia and Ireland. Others are working on the UK and US.

So….THAT is the true agenda of the farmers at the top. I do not think of them as “eliteâ€￾ any more than a sheep should think of his farmer as an “eliteâ€￾.

“- Are the elite of all countries involved in the NWO? Or is it just the US and UK? â€￾

It is easy to tell when leaders of countries break with the program. Korea, Vietnam, Cambodia, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya. Need I say more?

“- Could the whole NWO thing just be a diversion? Why else would they allow millions of videos about it on YouTube and millions of websites/forums about it to stay up? Is it all part of their plan to incite us into a revolution?â€￾

The dissemination of information is part of the program to incite civil war. Yes. They are trying to incite a mass uprising that turns violent to justify marshal law. This is why I have worked so hard on new courts. To avoid the civil wars.

“- Even if a NWO or one world government succeeded, how long would it last? History has shown that Empires don't last long without public support. â€￾

All the previous empires have been sunsetted by the Illuminati as planned. They are just sub empires of the REAL empire that has never gone away. The new empire will never end because they now have the technology to make sure it never ends. Microchips.


“The motives don't seem to make any sense. â€￾

They make all the sense in the world to me. Indeed. I rather admire them and what they have done. It is a brilliant plan. The only piece I strongly disagree with is the slaughter of little boys. Our women actively support and collaborate with the Illuminati even after being asked not to. So why would I be concerned for them?

Most MEN are also not willing to even save themselves so if they do not care for themselves why must I care for them?

It is only the boys and young men that I am really concerned about. Giving them a chance at a better future.
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Postby Winston » Thu May 24, 2012 4:56 am

Thanks Peter.

Ok there's still some things I don't get. If the Fed can print money out of thin air (Fiat money) then why does the government need to impose taxes on us? Don't they have unlimited money that they can print out of thin air?

Do the Illuminati call themselves by that name? Or is that just a term that conspiracy researchers use?

What is the hard evidence for the existence of the Illuminati? Where's the real proof?

If they want to reduce the population, why don't they just have a one child policy, or two child policy, like in China? That would do it too, without the need for nasty feminism.

Have you listened to the testimonies of Cathy O'Brien and Arizona Wilder, who claimed to have been Illuminati slaves set up to be sacrificed? Do you think they are true? If so, how come they weren't silenced?

Why do the Illuminati need to sacrifice boys or virgins? What does that accomplish exactly? I thought only the Aztecs did that sort of thing?
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