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Applying Common Sense to NWO Conspiracy Theories

Post by Winston » February 14th, 2012, 12:18 pm

Much of all this info regarding conspiracies is ambiguous. One can only speculate regarding the agenda behind conspiracies because it's all a secret of course. However, let's try to apply some common sense here.

All this conspiracy stuff is too black and white, almost like a religion. The elite can't be all "evil forces of darkness" vs. us the "innocent good guys". That is too black and white, with an "us vs. them" mentality, and more like what religions preach. In reality, the world is very complex and is not that black and white. There must be some good people among the elite. They can't all be "the bad guys" like characters in some movie, can they? People in real life are not all good or all bad (like in the movies); they are a mixture of the two.

It's also hard to believe that so many people could be in on something and agree to it. In reality, it's very hard to get a lot of people to all agree without dissent to being in on the same agenda, especially people in power and high places since these types are used to getting their way, not being told what to do. The elite have very big egos, so imagine how much harder it would be to get them to all agree on some secret agenda.

Humans tend to fight and disagree, especially since they are governed by an innate moral conscience which is both in their DNA and in the "morphic resonance" energy field (coined by Rupert Sheldrake) that all living things share. It's too far fetched to believe that these "shadow elite" are all some collective hive mind that is plotting sinister things against the world, as though they were all "minions of the dark side of the Force".

Nevertheless, conspiracies do exist in that powerful people do get together and make plans in secrecy. No one disputes that. The only question is: What kind of plans, secrets and conspiracies are they? Are we talking about mundane secrets - such as "under the table" deals and alliances, "you scratch my back and I'll scratch yours" type of arrangements, and covert operations involving power and profits? Or are we talking about a secret Illuminati plan of world domination and microchipping the population under a New World Order global government? Is there a fantastic conspiracy involving UFO's, Aliens and secret technology? Or just politicians with mundane dirty secrets involving money laundering scams, under the table deals, arms deals, sex scandals, and other mundane types of unethical behaviors?

Even Zbigniew Brzezinski, one of the elite's long-time geostrategists, has admitted on public TV in an interview with Charlie Rose that "dirty secrets" and "under the table deals" exist among the elite, but denies that there is any "Illuminati NWO plot" to take over the world and instate a one world government. If there is a NWO plot though, then is every country in on it? Or just the US and UK elite and the Zionists behind them? It's too far fetched to believe that the governments of all 200 countries of the world would all agree to be in on something.

All we know for sure are:

- The media and government often lie and fabricate things.

- There is definitely a shadow government that works outside of the democratic process and public scrutiny, to implement big changes that the elite think tanks want that would take too long if the public were involved. The Iran Contra Scandal revealed that shadow governments do exist. This shadow government is involved in a lot of sinister operations, but for what purpose, we don't know.

- The US military industrial complex and elite class, or whoever runs the USA (it's certainly not the common people), are definitely war mongerers who have a history and pattern of starting ridiculous unnecessary wars that don't make sense. (e.g. Vietnam, Iraq, etc.)They do not tell the public the truth about why they start them, but only give BS copout excuses that don't add up. So we can only speculate and guess on their true motives. All we know for sure is that they love getting involved with wars for some reason. Whatever their true reasons are, they are likely to be very disturbing.

- Too many important figures who would have changed the world for the better had they lived, have been murdered by too many lone nut cases (e.g. JFK, RFK, MLK, John Lennon). Had JFK and RFK lived, the Vietnam War would probably have never happened, millions of lives would have been saved, people would trust their government more, and the CIA/Federal Reserve/Military Industrial Complex (which Eisenhower warned about) may not have hijacked the USA as it has today. So two lone nuts changed the tide of world history for the worse? Yeah right.

Also, if Ralph Nader didn't cost Al Gore the election in 2000, the Iraq War and War on Terror may have never happened, since Al Gore is not a war monger type, and millions of live may have been saved. (assuming of course, that the election was real and that Gore really wanted to win) I wonder how Ralph Nader sleeps at night, knowing that he could have prevented the Iraq War mess had he not stolen votes from Gore. How can one stupid act from one stupid man change the course of the world like that and destroy millions of lives? It's just too convenient.

- The formation of the European Union and attempt to create a North American Union as well, are indicators of a NWO plan, since the formation of these unions would be a logical step they would take in order to consolidate power into an eventual one world government.

However, the key unanswered questions are:

- What is the true agenda of the elite? Are they really seeking to establish a NWO and one world government and have the population microchipped? Or do they just enjoy mind-f***ing everyone and reveling in the chaos they create and set up, which they derive a form of "dark ecstasy" from? (a theory proposed by conspiracy researcher and podcast host Jeff Grupp)

- What do they want? Is it just about power, control and profit? Don't they have enough of that? What more do they need? Do they have a more sinister and hidden motive?

- Are the elite of all countries involved in the NWO? Or is it just the US and UK?

- Could the whole NWO thing just be a diversion? Why else would they allow millions of videos about it on YouTube and millions of websites/forums about it to stay up? Is it all part of their plan to incite us into a revolution? And why would they let conspiracy leaders such as David Icke and Alex Jones spread conspiracy knowledge to so many disgruntled people and expose the plans of the elite? Icke travels the world doing public seminars to spread his message, yet nothing ever happens to him. Isn't that odd? Are they shills? Or is what they do part of the elite's plans? Or do the elite view them as too small of a problem to bother with, especially since anything that happens to a conspiracy leader will be interpreted as a "silencing act" by the elite?

- Even if a NWO or one world government succeeded, how long would it last? History has shown that Empires don't last long without public support. Not even Alexander the Great or Napoleon could hold an Empire together long term. Empires are easily toppled by a combination of many market forces. No elite group can stop that. The elite must know this. Any NWO would be short lived. So I gotta wonder what their real agenda is.

All of this is inconclusive and ambiguous. It's hard to say if there is a NWO plot or not, and if there is, what the plot is really about. The motives don't seem to make any sense.

Any thoughts or comments?

PS - Here is an interesting article someone shared with me:

33 Conspiracy theories that turned out to be true
http://www.infowars.com/33-conspiracy-t ... hould-know
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Post by Winston » February 14th, 2012, 12:20 pm

Check out my friend's insightful comments about this topic:
I find these conspiracy theories interesting and some of the theorists seem to make pretty compelling arguments and there are many mysteries of the world we cannot explain. In Icke's case, it appears the reptile aliens either enjoy f***ing with humanity and enjoy working much harder than they have to. It would be far easier just to kill off most humans and raise a new breed of them in various warm climes like they raise catfish in Mississippi, not teaching any of them to read and treating them as servants/chattel. Look at how easy it was for a relatively physically weak white man to sometimes control 200+ African slaves and get them to do forced labor. The Africans were only imported to the Americas after the Indians died out from the arduous labor. The average Indian native could only last a few years whereas the African accustomed to the hot tropical sun could work 10-20 years. Yes, there were slave rebellions but most were quelled and put down and there were far fewer than one might imagine there would be. If human were raised without notions of liberty, democracy, etc. then they are subject to believe anything, as proven in many totalitarian regimes--just read Hannah Arendt's massive tome on the effective totalitarianism of the Nazi and Stalin regimes. Stalin just had history rewritten and was able to effectively convince people that things they assumed had happened NEVER happened, and history books were just rewritten. Surely a group of superior alien beings would be far more successful in running human "catfish" farms and breeding us for their precious blood fuel without going to the trouble of shape-shifting and sorting out the world's various complicated affairs, lol.

We had been advising in Vietnam since at least 1954 and JFK probably would have been forced to go along with the war since to not intervene would have been political suicide. Johnson was a smart motherf***er and he knew we could not win the war but he also knew he had no choice but to stay in it to appease the powers that be. Kennedy had already shown his willingness to take military chances as via the Bay of Pigs.

There is no doubt that all sorts of clandestine things are going on and have gone on probably from the time the first white man landed on "American" soil. As I said, I think the "truth" might even be so horrible and forbidding that if we were to know it we might all collectively suicide from the sheer horror of it all. :)
I too feel that there is some "horrible secret" about our existence, that may be out of this world, that we don't know about, or at least most of us don't know about. It's probably one of the biggest secrets there is.
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Post by Winston » February 14th, 2012, 2:10 pm

Check out this very disturbing take on the NWO plans of the elite that someone explained to me.

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thr ... id13454580
Perhaps it is more difficult to understand them, if you are not from Europe. Over here you can get a real sense of their secretive and mysterious lives from their old buildings, as well as the huge difference between "us" and "them". For example, Portugal is full of history of the Knights. One of their former houses in Sintra, Portugal, called "Quinta de Regaleira" is particularly unnerving:

http://static.panoramio.com/photos/original/5787725.jpg

http://thepinkertones.files.wordpress.c ... o-xvii.jpg

It really is surreal. It has underground caves, hidden pathways and entrances, hidden symbols, secret doors, strange statues, creepy gargoyles and this initiation well:

http://www.portugalvirtual.pt/_tourism/ ... leira4.jpg

"Palace de Pena" is nearby on the same Ley-line:

http://www.travelblog.org/Photos/2257318

There's a good photo on this site that shows the buildings on the Ley-line very clearly:

http://www.ask.com/wiki/Quinta_da_Regaleira

It is actually like being in a horror film and you can get a real sense of the mentality of these people - of their seriousness and of how downright formidable and intimidating they are. It's very clear that this acts as an effective control of its members. However, I doubt it is often necessary as every member is chosen carefully and is only aware of certain information depending on where they are in the hierarchy.

You said that it must be hard to get people in high power to agree but one has to be a member to get in high power in the first place. They destroy all competition eventually when it suits them - just look at what they did to Barings Bank.

Then there are other ways they make people "agree". They keep "dirt" on their members, recordings of sexual deviances, drug addictions, etc. Or they just invent it - mud sticks, and high powered people don't want all that coming out in public, just ask Strauss-Kahn. He got too big for his boots in France and look how they controlled him - arrested and humiliated. He won't be President of France now, will he?!

Perhaps there are "some good people amongst the elite" as you say, but expressing that could cost them their careers, families or even their lives.

Is every country involved? I think the situation now is dire and every country has been infiltrated and is controlled in some way, otherwise they wouldn't feel so confident about coming out with the truth now. They've had control in Scotland/England and the USA for centuries, then they used the First World War to destroy all the powerful German families and caused a "revolution" to take Germany, which failed, then they lost Russia to Stalin. One of "Them" was interrogated by Stalin's police and confessed a lot of important information. His name was Rakovsky and the interrogation is in "Red Symphony":

http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/socio ... d_Symphony_

I think it's invaluable reading and explains everything about Marx and how Communism and Capitalism are being used very clearly.

Also, you can learn a lot about these people knowing that they are atheists but follow the teachings of Spinoza:

http://www.philosophypages.com/ph/spin.htm

To answer your key questions:

Yes, they have a very clear agenda - to "streamline" the world's population, mix the races, reduce the differences between men and women, reduce the age of puberty, reduce the age of "old age", have intelligent "Alphas" at the top and stupid "Deltas" to do all the mundane work. The higher in the hierarchy will psychologically not want to mix with the lower levels. The New World Order is all about psychological control so people are "happy" being slaves. It's diabolical but really very clever. It has potential to last forever as people will be too separate to organise themselves (hell, we can't even organise ourselves now!) and it is certainly conducive to a more progressive society where all the wealth and resources saved, will mean that we can start investigating and populating space much, much sooner than we ever would otherwise. For some reason, they are obsessed with going into space. This reason may be that they are the keepers of the information that Earth was visited thousands of years ago, I can only speculate, but I certainly don't believe in modern UFO stories.

I think your observation that the internet is flooded with NWO videos as a "diversion" to cause a revolution is correct. The internet itself is a means to an end. They will need a revolution to take full control just as they did famously in Russia. Firstly the people take over, mess it up and in all the confusion, "They" take power in the second revolution. They rely on the stupidity of the "homo-stultum" which they themselves have created through television, films and school-books.
Is that the true purpose of feminism, to "reduce gender differences"? Why? Isn't that an inhumane and nasty thing to do?
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Post by Winston » May 24th, 2012, 5:56 am

Thanks Peter.

Ok there's still some things I don't get. If the Fed can print money out of thin air (Fiat money) then why does the government need to impose taxes on us? Don't they have unlimited money that they can print out of thin air?

Do the Illuminati call themselves by that name? Or is that just a term that conspiracy researchers use?

What is the hard evidence for the existence of the Illuminati? Where's the real proof?

If they want to reduce the population, why don't they just have a one child policy, or two child policy, like in China? That would do it too, without the need for nasty feminism.

Have you listened to the testimonies of Cathy O'Brien and Arizona Wilder, who claimed to have been Illuminati slaves set up to be sacrificed? Do you think they are true? If so, how come they weren't silenced?

Why do the Illuminati need to sacrifice boys or virgins? What does that accomplish exactly? I thought only the Aztecs did that sort of thing?
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