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U.S. never landed on the moon - Apollo Moon Hoax

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Re: U.S. never landed on the moon - Apollo Moon Hoax

Postby MrMan » September 9th, 2017, 9:08 am

Winston wrote:
MrMan wrote:I'm not generally into conspiracy theories, but this one makes sense. Sending men to the moon would cost a fortune. Pretending to send men to the moon would save money and would communicate to the Russians that we had such precise missile technology, that we could fire a missile with men on it and put those men on the moon and return it. Just the credible threat might have been enough to reinforce our point. We win the space race, which helps our own country feel more confident. The Russians may think we did it.

What is the motivation to actually do it? The Cold War provided plenty of motivation to lie about it.

As far the videos, aren't they supposed to be re-enactments? Is the official story that these photos are actual photos from the moon or recreations, with the originals licked away for security reasons? Why can't we see stars all around the earth if they are real? If the moon does not have an atmosphere, wouldn't the view of space away from the sun be very clear?


There are probably multiple reasons for something as big as this. Besides the one you mention, they may have wanted to get people's minds off the Vietnam War and other tragedies. And give them a reason to be proud Americans again. Unless you are one of the ruling class, you can't understand their mentality. One of their jobs is to give the masses a show of "bread and circuses".


This would imply one ruling class with some sense of unity and common objectives that are able to work together. I don't know if the US government really works that way. It seems to be a lot of different groups pulling in different directions, but we have institutions that are strong and somehow keep the whole system going.

If the president was behind, or in on, a moon landing conspiracy, then it cut across party lines, from Johnson (Kennedy too?) to Nixon's administration. Kennedy wanted to put a man on the moon. Would Nixon have continued the conspiracy, if he found out after elected, to distract from the war and to bolster moral, and scare the Russians? Were presidents even in on the conspiracy, if there were one, or was it a military and NASA thing that duped them as well? If there were a conspiracy, it would be interesting to know who is in on it.

I spoke to a man who said he was an engineer in the space project. He couldnt' say what he did, just that he was there. And up to a few years ago at least when I talked to him, government agents would still check up on him to make sure he kept his mouth shut. Surely the technology part of it isn't that sensitive now.

It's not only expensive to go to the Moon. But too dangerous as well. If astronauts had died on the first Moon Mission or failed to come back, it would have been a public relations disaster and the end of NASA. Yet in all 6 moon missions, not one astronaut died. What are the odds? Yet about 14 people have died on the space shuttle.


Good point.

The biggest reason it was a hoax is that if it were real, then there would be moon bases by now and daily flights there.


I disagree. If the story is true and they just flew up there and found rocks and dust, and that's it, why build a base on that? What is to be gained? If we really did it, it was a collosal waste of money as far as actually getting something from going to the moon is concerned. The benefits were social, political, and military. Since those benefits could be acheived by successfully faking the moon landing, why would they actually do it?

Technology never moves backward like that to near zero. As of today, NASA says it forgot how to get to the moon.


I hadn't read that, but I don't read NASA statements about such things.

However the problem is that Neil Armstrong claimed that he saw no stars on the Moon. He said this in the Apollo 11 Press Conference, and in an interview later on (which I will post later). Yet in spite of that, the field of astronomy clais that on the Moon you can see stars very clearly. They should be brighter and more vivid than on Earth. So Armstrong screwed up majorly and NASA cannot explain it.

Moreover, Michael Collins, the third Apollo astronaut besides Armstrong and Aldrin, wrote in his book "Carrying the Fire" that he could see many stars vividly and brightly while he was in the command module orbiting the Moon, thus contradicting Neil Armstrong and himself too, because he also said during the Apollo 11 Press Conference that he could not see the stars either, in order to not contradict what Armstrong said.


If he did go up there, maybe the light reflecting off the moon made the stars difficult or impossible to see. The moon looks like it is glowing from earth. Up there, with the sun shining on the rock without at atmosphere, it may have made it difficult to see the stars... if he went there.
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Re: U.S. never landed on the moon - Apollo Moon Hoax

Postby Adama » September 9th, 2017, 6:02 pm

How about the fact that NASA lost all of their tapes concerning the Apollo missions. That in itself is enough to call it bogus. They also can't return. There are even videos of NASA scientists saying they can't make it to the moon presently.

People prefer pleasant delusions though.
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Re: U.S. never landed on the moon - Apollo Moon Hoax

Postby Winston » September 9th, 2017, 9:25 pm

MrMan wrote:This would imply one ruling class with some sense of unity and common objectives that are able to work together. I don't know if the US government really works that way. It seems to be a lot of different groups pulling in different directions, but we have institutions that are strong and somehow keep the whole system going.


Yes of course it would. But if you study conspiracies, then you know that's how they work. Yes the elite cabal argues and fights with its own members. They kill each other too, like they did with JFK. But still when they work together, it's them against us. Just like native American tribes during the Old West would war with other tribes too, but when the white man came to take their land, they would band together and form an alliance against their common enemy. A common enemy unites them, and unites the elite too, since we are their common enemy.

If you study the JFK assassination, you see that different government departments collaborate together. The police, FBI, CIA, media, etc. all helped to cover up the JFK conspiracy. Same in the Princess Diana assassination. The British and French police and media and even the hospital all collaborated to cover up what really happened and blame it on a drunk driver named Henri Paul, who could not have been drunk at the time, for many obvious reasons.

I could give many examples in history. But you get the point. Yes it's disturbing once you realize that many people in government and media will all agree to cover up a conspiracy. But that's how the world works when it comes to power at the higher levels. If you don't cooperate, you don't get in. They all gotta be team players or else they don't get to work for the system. Same in the mafia. Same in government or media. That's how things work. There's ample evidence of it.

If you are new to conspiracies, please read the book "None Dare Call It A Conspiracy" by Gary Allen. It has opened many people's eyes to how things really work in this world. It's a short read and will open your eyes to what's going on and how conspiracies can be widespread.

The different groups exist at the bottom level to create an illusion of choice and disunity. There is always an outer ring and inner ring.

If the president was behind, or in on, a moon landing conspiracy, then it cut across party lines, from Johnson (Kennedy too?) to Nixon's administration. Kennedy wanted to put a man on the moon. Would Nixon have continued the conspiracy, if he found out after elected, to distract from the war and to bolster moral, and scare the Russians? Were presidents even in on the conspiracy, if there were one, or was it a military and NASA thing that duped them as well? If there were a conspiracy, it would be interesting to know who is in on it.

I spoke to a man who said he was an engineer in the space project. He couldnt' say what he did, just that he was there. And up to a few years ago at least when I talked to him, government agents would still check up on him to make sure he kept his mouth shut. Surely the technology part of it isn't that sensitive now.


Yes the US presidents know some things but not everything. There are top secret things that even the US President doesn't have access too. Bill Clinton found that out when he asked the government to tell him the truth about Roswell and the JFK Assassination. He was told he wasn't authorized and didn't have clearance to such secrets.

But many US presidents throughout history have said that there is a cabal and shadow government running the US government though. They knew that conspiracies existed. After the JFK assassination though, the subsequent presidents did not dare to talk about conspiracies anymore. I have posted many quotes from them here: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=28870

The biggest reason it was a hoax is that if it were real, then there would be moon bases by now and daily flights there.


I disagree. If the story is true and they just flew up there and found rocks and dust, and that's it, why build a base on that? What is to be gained? If we really did it, it was a collosal waste of money as far as actually getting something from going to the moon is concerned. The benefits were social, political, and military. Since those benefits could be achieved by successfully faking the moon landing, why would they actually do it?


That's not true. You are buying their cheap excuses. Even if the moon was just rocks and dust, they would still have an interest to build a moon base there. For many reasons:

1. It would serve as a launching point for further exploration of the solar system. Even sci fi movies show this.
2. They could practice colonization techniques there. Or build a colony.
3. Scientists, astronomers, and astrophysicists would want to conduct experiments and research on the moon.
4. They could build hotels and airports there, for rich people who want to take flights to the moon and have honeymoons there. They could charge high prices and get rich.
5. Advertisers could charge a fortune to make giant billboards on the moon.
6. It would be a vacation hot spot for tourists and travelers. Lots of money could be made.
7. They could use the moon to spy on other nations or utilize Ronald Reagan's Star Wars defense program on there.
8. The military could find a use for the moon too. They could launch rockets and missiles from there. In war, whoever has the high ground has an advantage.
9. Building a moon base would be a symbol of pride and achievement. It would give Americans a reason to be proud. Kind of like how towers and skyscrapers are built as symbols of technological achievement too.
10. Science has a tendency to do whatever it can just because it can. If they can change the genes of food and humans, they do it. If they can clone sheep or humans, they do it. If they can build artificial intelligence in robots and computers, they do it. Basically, if scientists can do something, they do it and do not need any other reason. So if they can build a moon base, of course they will do it, especially if it can be monetized for profit and many other uses.
Etc. Etc.

See what I mean? You get the point. So don't be so dense. There are scientific, political, business, and military reasons to go to the moon and build a base there. And psychological reasons too of course.

Government can make easy cheap excuses for anything it wants to cover up. So can people. Why you fall for them so easily?

Technology never moves backward like that to near zero. As of today, NASA says it forgot how to get to the moon.


I hadn't read that, but I don't read NASA statements about such things.


They inadvertently admitted it. They don't remember how to get past the Van Allen radiation belt, for example and said so. They aren't sure how to send astronauts through it safely. You would think if something were important, they would keep it and have backups.

However the problem is that Neil Armstrong claimed that he saw no stars on the Moon. He said this in the Apollo 11 Press Conference, and in an interview later on (which I will post later). Yet in spite of that, the field of astronomy clais that on the Moon you can see stars very clearly. They should be brighter and more vivid than on Earth. So Armstrong screwed up majorly and NASA cannot explain it.

Moreover, Michael Collins, the third Apollo astronaut besides Armstrong and Aldrin, wrote in his book "Carrying the Fire" that he could see many stars vividly and brightly while he was in the command module orbiting the Moon, thus contradicting Neil Armstrong and himself too, because he also said during the Apollo 11 Press Conference that he could not see the stars either, in order to not contradict what Armstrong said.


If he did go up there, maybe the light reflecting off the moon made the stars difficult or impossible to see. The moon looks like it is glowing from earth. Up there, with the sun shining on the rock without at atmosphere, it may have made it difficult to see the stars... if he went there.


No man. Look at the moon photos and videos. The moon's surface is like dark gray dirt. It wasn't glistening like snow in the daytime. The albedo of the moon is officially listed at about 40 percent, which is similar to concrete pavement on the road.

Also, all professional astronomers claim that you can see stars very vividly from the moon. Why not? The moon has no atmosphere so you should see stars a lot better from the moon than from the earth.
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