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Postby Falcon » Mon Feb 27, 2012 10:15 am

momopi wrote:Custom spam from India?


+1 :lol:

huntbryan5 and jockbenny must freethinking real-estate agent assistants typing from their offices on the other side of globe. Please keep their posts just for the laughs.

That being said, the Chinese government actually hires people to sit in front of the computer and post in forums all day long in order to sway public opinion. If Winston gives up his freethinking and starts trolling for the PRC government, he'd be making bank. :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7783640.stm
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Postby pitbul » Sun Jul 01, 2012 3:29 pm

Falcon wrote:
momopi wrote:Custom spam from India?


+1 :lol:

huntbryan5 and jockbenny must freethinking real-estate agent assistants typing from their offices on the other side of globe. Please keep their posts just for the laughs.

That being said, the Chinese government actually hires people to sit in front of the computer and post in forums all day long in order to sway public opinion. If Winston gives up his freethinking and starts trolling for the PRC government, he'd be making bank. :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7783640.stm

Sounds identical to what the u.s and canadian regime does.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 ... l-networks
http://www.infowars.com/canadian-govern ... at-forums/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/1 ... 37153.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/r ... al-people/


Go to any yahoo forum and they are flooded with them. in fact, there are few sites that don't have u.s, uk trolls. remember, the internet was invented by the u.s military to promote propaganda, and surveilance. you hardly see any real voice challenging the western establishment. why is that? because the united states regime controls the entire internet. any website that they don't like, they shut down. this is the reason the internet presents such a 1 sided view. take a website like huffington post for example. they claim to be "liberal". so why now is a "liberal" website, attacking the enemies of multinational corporations? if the huffington post is attacking Iran, and the "conservative" media is attacking Iran, then what's the difference between "liberal", and "conservative". the simple answer is nothing. you have imperialism under left cover, and right cover. they both serve the same purpose. look through any comment section in the huffington post, and you will see a very large % of pro imperialist views. these are the govt trolls at work. you can also spot these trolls. they are on these forums day in and day out, speaking pro imperialist views every single day. now why would anyone in their right mind be arguing on behalf of the establishment around the clock?

I;ve also come across many paid trolls from britain, and australia. some of the things they like to do is convince you that far right politics is the best way to go. If right wing politics was the best way to go, then we wouldn't need trolls to convince us, would we? Other assertions made by trolls are- the war crimes comited by the west "really arent that bad". Yes they are that bad. In fact, former u.s. soldier Darrell Anderson has said that if he knew what he knew now, he would be fighting for the other side. Trolls promoting racism. A good percentage of the racist comments made on the internet are being made by trolls on the government payroll. They'd love to get you to focus your attention on China, and other countries, so that westerners won't confront their own corrupt governments. With western governments, it is a constant game of deception. One of the things that western trolls like to do is tell you how bad it is in other countries, to give you the illusion that western countries are the best that it gets. this way, the western oligarchs never have to live up to any standards, because most westerners already think that it's crap in other countries.
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Postby FreeYourMind » Mon Jul 02, 2012 6:40 am

Israel has more paid shills and trolls than any other country, especially on a per capita basis.
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Postby Winston » Mon Jul 02, 2012 9:35 pm

pitbul wrote:
Falcon wrote:
momopi wrote:Custom spam from India?


+1 :lol:

huntbryan5 and jockbenny must freethinking real-estate agent assistants typing from their offices on the other side of globe. Please keep their posts just for the laughs.

That being said, the Chinese government actually hires people to sit in front of the computer and post in forums all day long in order to sway public opinion. If Winston gives up his freethinking and starts trolling for the PRC government, he'd be making bank. :wink:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/50_Cent_Party

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/7783640.stm

Sounds identical to what the u.s and canadian regime does.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/20 ... l-networks
http://www.infowars.com/canadian-govern ... at-forums/
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/1 ... 37153.html
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2011/02/18/r ... al-people/


Go to any yahoo forum and they are flooded with them. in fact, there are few sites that don't have u.s, uk trolls. remember, the internet was invented by the u.s military to promote propaganda, and surveilance. you hardly see any real voice challenging the western establishment. why is that? because the united states regime controls the entire internet. any website that they don't like, they shut down. this is the reason the internet presents such a 1 sided view. take a website like huffington post for example. they claim to be "liberal". so why now is a "liberal" website, attacking the enemies of multinational corporations? if the huffington post is attacking Iran, and the "conservative" media is attacking Iran, then what's the difference between "liberal", and "conservative". the simple answer is nothing. you have imperialism under left cover, and right cover. they both serve the same purpose. look through any comment section in the huffington post, and you will see a very large % of pro imperialist views. these are the govt trolls at work. you can also spot these trolls. they are on these forums day in and day out, speaking pro imperialist views every single day. now why would anyone in their right mind be arguing on behalf of the establishment around the clock?

I;ve also come across many paid trolls from britain, and australia. some of the things they like to do is convince you that far right politics is the best way to go. If right wing politics was the best way to go, then we wouldn't need trolls to convince us, would we? Other assertions made by trolls are- the war crimes comited by the west "really arent that bad". Yes they are that bad. In fact, former u.s. soldier Darrell Anderson has said that if he knew what he knew now, he would be fighting for the other side. Trolls promoting racism. A good percentage of the racist comments made on the internet are being made by trolls on the government payroll. They'd love to get you to focus your attention on China, and other countries, so that westerners won't confront their own corrupt governments. With western governments, it is a constant game of deception. One of the things that western trolls like to do is tell you how bad it is in other countries, to give you the illusion that western countries are the best that it gets. this way, the western oligarchs never have to live up to any standards, because most westerners already think that it's crap in other countries.


This makes sense. On every big forum about conspiracies, there are always tons of information control agents who ridicule everything that challenges the official version and establishment view of things. They are clearly not truthful or honest. All they do is dismiss and deny all data that reveals any government lie, conspiracy or cover up. They religiously believe that authority=truth and take everything the government says on faith and have no logical arguments. They act as though lies and cover ups at high levels aren't possible. Their behavior doesn't make sense. I've always gotten the sense that they had some kind of agenda. The notion of paid debunkers makes sense.

They are all over the internet and mainstream media too. They appear to have infiltrated everything, in every industry and department. This is why when there is a cover up, every government agency, police department, and media organization cooperates together in the cover up and suppression of evidence. This can only mean that they all are obviously infiltrated.

It's very sad and disturbing. What it means if that if government agencies, police departments and corporate media can be infiltrated, then so can the internet as well.

Btw, how do you explain big sites like InfoWars and PrisonPlanet and the ATS forum? They are very pro conspiracy. Why do the controllers allow such big sites to expose conspiracies?

Is that you in the avatar pitbul? Are you a woman? How did you find this site?
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Postby PeterAndrewNolan » Mon Jul 02, 2012 10:34 pm

Winston wrote:This makes sense. On every big forum about conspiracies, there are always tons of information control agents who ridicule everything that challenges the official version and establishment view of things. They are clearly not truthful or honest. All they do is dismiss and deny all data that reveals any government lie, conspiracy or cover up. They religiously believe that authority=truth and take everything the government says on faith and have no logical arguments. They act as though lies and cover ups at high levels aren't possible. Their behavior doesn't make sense. I've always gotten the sense that they had some kind of agenda. The notion of paid debunkers makes sense.

They are all over the internet and mainstream media too. They appear to have infiltrated everything, in every industry and department. This is why when there is a cover up, every government agency, police department, and media organization cooperates together in the cover up and suppression of evidence. This can only mean that they all are obviously infiltrated.

It's very sad and disturbing. What it means if that if government agencies, police departments and corporate media can be infiltrated, then so can the internet as well.

Btw, how do you explain big sites like InfoWars and PrisonPlanet and the ATS forum? They are very pro conspiracy. Why do the controllers allow such big sites to expose conspiracies?

Is that you in the avatar pitbul? Are you a woman? How did you find this site?

Winston,
I was told by an insider was dying that 5% of the US population were willing servants of the Illuminati. This means they can be your police chief, your doctor, your neighbor. Most are useful idiots told to do something and told they are important and so they do it thinking that they are serving "the great plan of the ages". Some are high profile like Maddona and some are low profile like your friendly church priest.


There are a GAZILLION trolls out there spouting the Illuminati line they are given to spout. They do not all say the same thing as it would be obvious they are shills.

Most people simply do not understand the game and where we are up to in it.

Right now we are in the "creat chaos" phase which is planned to be followed by wars of previously inexperienced destruction. Think 5 to 6 BILLION people dead from wars, famine and pestilence.

What most people do not comprehend is that you do NOT enslave people most effectively by overtly enslaving them. You have to make them WANT to be slaves. Re-legion is a great one. People will say to me "when we lived by more christian principals we did not have the problem of oppression of guvments". I usually have to wait a while before I stop laughing.

Then I explain to them that Christianity WAS the guvment and WAS the system of oppression....it was just that people LOVED THEIR SERVITUDE for the most part! LOL!!

The Illuminati have been here for 5,000 years AT LEAST. The idea that we can take them on head on or in any way outsmart them is ludicrous. The ONLY avenue we have to be free is to simply walk away from their system. And only a very few will do that. Most will DEMAND to be slaves if given a chance at freedom. Platos Cave. This has been known for 2,500 years.

Those in power allow the big conspiracy sites because they are about to sunset "voted officials". They are in the process of discrediting the whole "system of democracy" and "voting for representatives". They will say "the people are too stupid to know who to vote for because they always vote for people who turn out to be criminals and what we need is a permanent political class to run the guvment as a professional class".

In case you have not noticed we are just now seeing the term "political class" being more and more widely used. The term "political class" would have caused a furor 20 years ago in class conscious UK and US. But now "political class" is being normalised.

This is what wikileaks is all about. Julian Assange works for the Illuminati and it is part of his job to discredit guvments so as to usher in their replacements.

Even today Greece and Italy are being governed by unelected officials as are many aspects of the EU. In EU countries the EU courts running legislation from the EU parliament are commonly over-riding national courts. The simple fact is that the whole legal system is a scam and men are best advised to ignore it.

People mistakenly think that if there were a set of tyrants in power the tyranny would be overt. The problem is overt tyranny provokes a response. It is much better to have covert tyranny where people are confused as to what response might work and argue among themselves over the response.

Anyone like me who comes along and figures this all out is banned from places like Mens News Daily and Spearhead and David Ickes Forums and many other places by people like Paul Elam, Bill Price and others.

Think about it for a bit. Alex Jones and David Icke have THOUSANDS of videos out there that are freely available to ANYONE. Yet, I put ONE video out there which is a video of my court meeting and it was removed at first....and has remained blocked into Australia for over a year. Guys like Bill Greathouse and I have our little radio show with perhaps 100 listeners interfered with when we hit touchy subjects but David Icke can have 10,000 people to a show and thats ok.

If you are not being actively attacked by the guvment then you are not saying anything they are afraid of.

And the thing the guvment is MOST afraid of is that men will figure out they are the sovereigns and they can form courts. They are SCARED TO DEATH of our proposal to have new courts. THAT is why I am so thoroughly persecuted.

Their problem is they can't killed me or they would have ages ago. So they organise trolls to slander me and to denounce the idea of new courts. Trolls you have seen for yourself Winston.
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Postby Winston » Tue Jul 03, 2012 2:27 pm

That's interesting Peter.

So who was this insider? What was he a part of?

Do you mean the 5 percent that will do anything for the Illuminati are willing or mind controlled?

This 5 percent must have infiltrated into every department right? Why else would so many departments, agencies, police forces, and major media all collaborate on a cover up, such as the cover up of the JFK Assassination, 9/11, etc.?

Remember that video of the BBC and CNN announcing the collapse of Building 7 on 9/11 20 minutes before it occurred, as if it were scripted? Doesn't that tell you something? Why is the mainstream media always in support of the official version of everything, even when it's been proven false? Why do they always resort to ridicule rather than logic when proof of a conspiracy is unraveled?

And if there are no cover ups, then why are witnesses always harassed, bullied and threatened into silence, or silenced in some cases? Why is witness testimony often altered, as in the case of the Warren Commission and 9/11 Commission reports? Why would they need to do that if it's all an open and shut case? It doesn't make any sense! The media and the propagandists of the official version of things can never explain that. All they do is ridicule you if you don't believe in the official version of things.
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Postby Winston » Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:08 pm

Peter,
Are these examples of paid propagandists and debunkers? lol What kind of people would say such stupid things? lol

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0102138/boa ... 902304?p=2


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Read Posner's case Closed if you want to get all the facts about the assassination in spades. he prooves Oswald dids it, He was on all the big news networks talking about his book and if some body gets put on TV that means they are talking the truth. You can beleeve sumthing if you see iot on TV.

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The litmiss test for if sumthing iz true iz if you see it on TV. If it on TV it iz true. They fact checks everything before they puts it on the air and gerald Posner's book was covered on TV so that makes it must be true.

Hear iz a clip of the 1991 Gulf War from CNN. They are over there with the missels flying over head. These reporters are brave to do that - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64Oh3qEVgBQ

CNN has been keeping us informed for years and iz the "most trusted name in news" Listen to this guys review of CNN and why they have such high viewers - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Ej9LBqkaPI

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Words of wisdome, TremblingBalls, words of wisdom...


What kind of person thinks like that? Aren't paid propagandists the only people that would say something that ludicrous?

Here is a response I posted to the above on IMDB.

TremblingBalls,
You are obviously a paid propagandist. No normal person would say that if something is on TV, then it must be true. Quite the opposite.

What if I told you that the notion that water exists on earth is discredited? Would that make it true? Saying something doesn't make it true. There is still water on earth regardless of whether I say so or not.

You believe everything official sources tell you, for no logical reason. You are a mind controlled slave and most likely a paid propagandist on the internet. There is no free thought in your posts at all.

As to Posner's Case Closed, I read much of it long ago at a library. It didn't disprove anything. All it did was reject all conspiracy evidence and all eyewitnesses and endorse the official lone nut version, with no basis. It cherry picked the evidence, used confirmation bias, and cognitive dissonance.

Watch the film JFK again. It says it all and gives all the evidence you need. It's a masterpiece that will convince any rational person. The dots are connected and logical reasons are given for JFK's assassination.

Big questions for you propagandists:

- If there was no cover up, then why were many witnesses harassed, bullied and threatened, or silenced in some cases? Why was witness testimony often altered, as in the case of the Warren Commission and 9/11 Commission reports? Why would they need to do that if it's a simple open and shut case? It doesn't make any sense! The media and the propagandists of the official version of things can never explain that. All they do is ridicule you if you don't believe in the official version of things.

- Why were the doctors at Parkland Hospital told that their medical careers would be over if they told anyone about the large exit would they found on Kennedy's head? Several of them, including Dr. Crenshaw, have come out and exposed that. Of course the media is going to try to discredit them. Duh. That's their job.

- Why are documents classified and locked up, if there are no secrets?

- Why did Posner in "Case Closed" lie about interviewing people that he didn't? Many of his interviewees have come out saying that he never talked to them.

- Posner's most ridiculous claim in "Case Closed" is that Kennedy's head moved back and to the left in the Zapruder film, because the bullet that came from behind was so powerful that it caused his head to move toward it, rather than away from it. That is the biggest BS ever. Everyone I talked to who's been in the military has said that that's BS and that objects hit with bullets move AWAY from the bullet, not toward it. This claim alone makes Posner dishonest. I'll bet you anything that if the Zapruder film had shown Kennedy's head move forward rather than backward, after the final shot to the head, Posner would NOT have then claimed that the shot must have come from the front! He would have taken that as evidence that the shot came from behind. Thus, whether Kennedy's head moved forward or backward after that shot, either way Posner would have declared that in favor of the shot coming from behind! And you know it! Thus his hypocrisy is revealed. This alone proves his dishonesty.


The JFK boards on IMDB have been completely hijacked by propagandists it seems. These paid internet propagandists seem to always find the highest trafficked forums and take them over.
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Postby PeterAndrewNolan » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:01 pm

Winston wrote:That's interesting Peter.

So who was this insider? What was he a part of?

Do you mean the 5 percent that will do anything for the Illuminati are willing or mind controlled?

This 5 percent must have infiltrated into every department right? Why else would so many departments, agencies, police forces, and major media all collaborate on a cover up, such as the cover up of the JFK Assassination, 9/11, etc.?

Remember that video of the BBC and CNN announcing the collapse of Building 7 on 9/11 20 minutes before it occurred, as if it were scripted? Doesn't that tell you something? Why is the mainstream media always in support of the official version of everything, even when it's been proven false? Why do they always resort to ridicule rather than logic when proof of a conspiracy is unraveled?

And if there are no cover ups, then why are witnesses always harassed, bullied and threatened into silence, or silenced in some cases? Why is witness testimony often altered, as in the case of the Warren Commission and 9/11 Commission reports? Why would they need to do that if it's all an open and shut case? It doesn't make any sense! The media and the propagandists of the official version of things can never explain that. All they do is ridicule you if you don't believe in the official version of things.

I am not going to tell you much about this insider. However, I was introduced to this person via others who knew the work this person did over a lifetime. This persons small boy was killed and this person wanted justice. It was not available. That was the start of this person waking up. It turned out this persons father was an insider as well. He was an assassin for the Illuminati. He killed people for a living. Only when this person found out the father was an assassin did this person realise what was really going on and realise that this person was born into an Illuminati family.

I believe what this person told me for reasons I will keep to myself.

Many of the willing dupes are born into families that are well off because the parents are also insiders. To leave being an insider would mean leaving the extended family.

The truth is stranger than fiction Winston.

I do not know the mental status of the claim of the 5 percent. Frtiz Springmeier claims there are about 2 million mind controlled slaves. The VAST majority of people who do the bidding of the Illuminati are "useless idiots". They are made to feel important by doing their small part. For example voting for the local mayor, voting for the local police chief or judges. Then there are the lawyers who ALL know they are criminals but go along anyway because there is no work for ex-lawyers while being a lawyer is very lucrative.

Then there are doctors. Most doctors are WELL AWARE that they are part of the Illuminati fraud and they keep quiet because what is an ex doctor going to do for a living?

If you want to see if someone is controlled by the Illuminati all you need to look for is "does this person need a licence to practice their trade"? If a person needs a license to practice then they are controlled. Did you not ever wonder why you need a license to be a plumber, an electrician, a lawyer, a doctor, a truck driver, a taxi driver...but NOT A POLITICIAN.

vast ranges of jobs are "licensed" but NOT politicians. Did you never wonder WHY that was the case?

So these people who so willingly support the Illuminati story are EVERYWHERE. And they look like the "salt of the earth" people who are good people. The way to tell if someone is really a good person or not is to ask just a few simple questions.

1. Do you take the position that women are to be treated as equal before the law as in same crime same remedy?
2. If so then join the CAF site for your country. http://www.crimesagainstfathers.com

That less than 0.1% of people will then join CAF tells you how many "good people" there are. They think the guvment should hold women accountable for crimes.

Lastly the media. Media comes from "medes" and the medes were sorcerers who put "spells" on people. The entire media is a mouthpiece for the Illuminati. Always has been. No editor can write anything that crosses what the Illuminati want published and keep his job more than 24 hours. Not a chance. Now, of course, choas is the order of the day so the media does release things that are generating chaos. The building 7 issue, in my opinion, was NOT a mistake. It was on the air and it was MEANT to be on the air.

To sunset western civilisation and create WW III they are ALSO going to have to discredit the media.

Most people put all these "accidents" of proof that the media is complicit in the "incompetent" bucket. This is because people are thinking on the same level they live their life on. This is a bad idea when considering what the Illuminati are doing. The Illuminati are intelligent far beyond us. They are "superhuman" if you like. They are NOT making mistakes. One of the things I considered was "what if the Illuminati are far more intelligent than me and they are NOT making mistakes, what would that look like."

When you look at it that way you realise we are in FAR more danger than you would otherwise think. If all this stuff about the Illuminati being public is NOT a mistake it absolutely means they are getting ready for WW III and they are VERY close to pulling it off. That is what that means.
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Postby PeterAndrewNolan » Wed Jul 04, 2012 1:09 pm

Winston wrote:Peter,
Are these examples of paid propagandists and debunkers? lol What kind of people would say such stupid things? lol

Well paid or not ... they are stupid.....

I have no idea if they are being paid to troll like that. I would suspect so because not even a redneck would be that stupid.
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Postby Winston » Wed Jul 04, 2012 8:16 pm

PeterAndrewNolan wrote:Then there are doctors. Most doctors are WELL AWARE that they are part of the Illuminati fraud and they keep quiet because what is an ex doctor going to do for a living?

If you want to see if someone is controlled by the Illuminati all you need to look for is "does this person need a licence to practice their trade"? If a person needs a license to practice then they are controlled. Did you not ever wonder why you need a license to be a plumber, an electrician, a lawyer, a doctor, a truck driver, a taxi driver...but NOT A POLITICIAN.

vast ranges of jobs are "licensed" but NOT politicians. Did you never wonder WHY that was the case?


Are you serious? Are you saying that most doctors, plumbers and electricians are knowingly part of the Illuminati too? Does that mean that all my cousins that are doctors are Illuminati too? How exactly do they get indoctrinated? Do they go to secret ceremonies? This is a far stretch.

My cousin Dennis who is a doctor in California, for instance, is not even clever enough to be in the Illuminati. He can't even hold a normal conversation. He has no opinions either. All he can do is recite what's in textbooks. Beyond that, he is a dud in personality and intelligence. He is a pure memorization machine with no personality.

A politician doesn't need technical skills. Isn't that why they don't need a license? Licenses are usually to prove your technical skills. Why are you reading more into them than that?

Anyway, I'm going to split these posts about paid internet shills into a separate thread, since it has gone off topic. lol
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Winston wrote:
PeterAndrewNolan wrote:Then there are doctors. Most doctors are WELL AWARE that they are part of the Illuminati fraud and they keep quiet because what is an ex doctor going to do for a living?

If you want to see if someone is controlled by the Illuminati all you need to look for is "does this person need a licence to practice their trade"? If a person needs a license to practice then they are controlled. Did you not ever wonder why you need a license to be a plumber, an electrician, a lawyer, a doctor, a truck driver, a taxi driver...but NOT A POLITICIAN.

vast ranges of jobs are "licensed" but NOT politicians. Did you never wonder WHY that was the case?


Are you serious? Are you saying that most doctors, plumbers and electricians are knowingly part of the Illuminati too? Does that mean that all my cousins that are doctors are Illuminati too? How exactly do they get indoctrinated? Do they go to secret ceremonies? This is a far stretch.

My cousin Dennis who is a doctor in California, for instance, is not even clever enough to be in the Illuminati. He can't even hold a normal conversation. He has no opinions either. All he can do is recite what's in textbooks. Beyond that, he is a dud in personality and intelligence. He is a pure memorization machine with no personality.

A politician doesn't need technical skills. Isn't that why they don't need a license? Licenses are usually to prove your technical skills. Why are you reading more into them than that?

Anyway, I'm going to split these posts about paid internet shills into a separate thread, since it has gone off topic. lol

No. I did not include plumbers and electricians as KNOWINGLY part of the Illuminati. I said "Most doctors are WELL AWARE that they are part of the Illuminati fraud".

I said that anyone who is licensed is CONTROLLED by the Illuminati not necessarily IS willingly controlled by the Illuminati or knowingly part of it. Plumbers, electricians, taxi drivers etc just know they will lose their livelyhood if they "fight city hall."

"My cousin Dennis who is a doctor in California, for instance, is not even clever enough to be in the Illuminati."

If he has gone through med school and been out practicing for 10 or 15 years he knows what he has bought in to. My brother is a doctor as well.

" Licenses are usually to prove your technical skills. Why are you reading more into them than that?"

Because that is not what licenses are for. You are LIED TO and told they are to prove skills. But they are not. They are created so that they can take the license off you and rob you of your livelyhood if you are a troublesome sheep.

Consider this....why do you need a gun license or a fishing license or a driving license?

You need these things because without them the guvment can not exercise legitimised control. But you do no actually NEED any of them.

You can not license an activity and make it legal if it is already a lawful activity that you can perform.

Licenses are about CONTROL. They are presented as "to protect you". Same old same old.

"If you give up your freedoms for security you end up with and deserve neither". Benjamin Franklin.

Licenses is one of the things this applies to. I thought you knew that is what licenses were for. Control.

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Postby Winston » Wed Jul 04, 2012 11:23 pm

I see. That makes sense about licenses.

But I don't think most doctors know about the Illuminati at all. They just know that they are part of the big pharma/medical industry right?

Do doctors really believe everything they tell people? I heard that most doctors don't vaccinate their children. Is that true?

Are you saying that they know deep down that they are involved in some kind of fraud? I would imagine that they think that everything they've been taught has been backed by science and peer review, which they have trust in. Right?
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Postby PeterAndrewNolan » Thu Jul 05, 2012 5:00 pm

Winston wrote:I see. That makes sense about licenses.

But I don't think most doctors know about the Illuminati at all. They just know that they are part of the big pharma/medical industry right?

Do doctors really believe everything they tell people? I heard that most doctors don't vaccinate their children. Is that true?

Are you saying that they know deep down that they are involved in some kind of fraud? I would imagine that they think that everything they've been taught has been backed by science and peer review, which they have trust in. Right?


I believe that ALL doctors know that the medical profession is a fraud and is controlled by the ruling elite. There can not be a doctor alive who does not KNOW that cigarettes were promoted by doctors when it was WELL PROVEN that they caused lung cancer. The AMA promoted cigarettes as did the european aristocracy. There is not a doctor alive who does not KNOW THIS to be true. The idea that this was some sort of "accident" is simply not credible.

The idea that mercury was used as fillings by dentists was an "accident" is not credible. John Wilson, who is one of the leading figures for freedom in Australia, woke up to the fraud in part because he was a dentist and read articles about mercury leeching from fillings. He brought it up and was subsequently DE-LICENSED. http://www.rightsandwrong.com.au/

There is not a dentist alive today who does not know that mercury in fillings was a DELIBERATE FRAUD.

In 95 my wife was TOTALLY CURED OF ASTHMA AND ALLERGIES by simple natural medicine. This was after THREE YEARS of trying to get her helped by way of specialists. The natural treatment made a lot of sense and she was soon out abseiling, canyoning and maintain climbing. Things she had NEVER been able to do before.

I too was very ill in 96 and I took the same natural treatment. I have seen a doctor ONCE since for an ear infection from the pool I was swimming in in Saudi Arabia. I have had no need to see a doctor for any other reason since 96.

You think that ALL DOCTORS do not know that natural medicine is FAR superior to "modern medicine"? Obamacare is a crock of shit. They are FORCING criminally abusive "health care" on to people.

Cancer is a fungus and has been well known to be a fungus for 20 years. It is claimed to be cured by the mere treatment of baking soda. You think this is not WIDELY KNOWN among doctors? My step son ahd 6 months of chemotherapy where it is very likely he could have just had a baking soda treatment.

I have tried the backing soda treatment on myself and it DEFINITELY reduced lumps growing in the body and reduces candida overgrowths.

I have heard it said MANY doctors do not vaccinate their children. I have not heard it from a doctor though.

You can REST ASSURED that virtually ALL doctors who have been practicing for more than 10 years today KNOW they are part of a criminal cartel. With the advent of the internet it is no longer credible for them to claim they have not heard that the western medical profession is a complete scam.

The natural treatment I go for are FAR superior to western medicine and keep me FAR healthier. I was very sick in 96 and I was only 32.
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Postby Winston » Sun Jul 08, 2012 9:47 am

Are you sure about all that Peter?

So doctors have no conscience? Do they really believe that authority=truth and that the FDA has no corruption in it?

Who funds the medical schools they go to? They claim that big pharma doesn't. So who does then?

How did you get the baking soda treatment? You can't just do it yourself. It has to touch the internal organs that have the cancer. To do that, surgery is required.

Why does the Italian doctor who is behind this baking soda treatment of cancer, charge so much for it? Only the rich can afford it. If it's natural, there should be a cheaper way to administer it.

I still have mercury fillings. Should I get them removed and replaced? How? With what? White fillings? What kind exactly?
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Postby PeterAndrewNolan » Sun Jul 08, 2012 11:03 pm

Winston wrote:Are you sure about all that Peter?

So doctors have no conscience? Do they really believe that authority=truth and that the FDA has no corruption in it?

Who funds the medical schools they go to? They claim that big pharma doesn't. So who does then?

How did you get the baking soda treatment? You can't just do it yourself. It has to touch the internal organs that have the cancer. To do that, surgery is required.

Why does the Italian doctor who is behind this baking soda treatment of cancer, charge so much for it? Only the rich can afford it. If it's natural, there should be a cheaper way to administer it.

I still have mercury fillings. Should I get them removed and replaced? How? With what? White fillings? What kind exactly?

Hi Winston,
I am VERY sure that doctors know what they are in to, yes. Why would you imagine they do not have a conscience just because they are pushing bad medicine. They do not care about the cattle any more or any less than a farmer cares about his cattle. Remember, shepherds really do care about their sheep.

Once they have spent 10 or 15 years in medicine and come to realise it is a scam what else can they do? They are in over their heads so they just keep going.

In 95/6 I was really sick. The diagnosis was finally done by an elderly russian woman and it was that I only had 10% of the required acid in my stomach that had caused endless other problems because I could not digest my food. I went to specialists for TWO YEARS to try and get diagnosed. It is not credible that "modern medicine" can not diagnose something so simple as not enough acid in a mans stomach given the symptoms. I have distrusted modern medicine ever since.

With respect to treating cancer this is a good link. Just searching for Simoncini will bring up lots of hits. I read about this guy in David Ickes books.

http://www.cancerisafungus.com/

You do not need any surgery to treat cancer with backing soda according to this man. You saturate the blood and alkilinise it via a drip. Many of his patients do this at home with just a doctor-nurse to insert the drip in the first place. I did not look at prices....as far as I am aware it is pretty inexpensive...like I said..some people have done it at home for themselves. I think he does offer an in service in Italy but I have not looked into that. I dont have cancer so I am not that into going into the details of what he does.

The health treatment I use now is a practitioner who uses this machine. This is the new generation of the machine that this russian woman used in 96. It is like magic to most people. When I explain it to people they call me crazy.

http://www.cybertrone.eu/ENFront/ENIndex.html

I had my mercury fillings taken out and replaced with enamel. I use no aluminium cookware and no aluminum based deodorant. That shit is really bad for you.

I have enjoyed much better health these last 15 years with the exception of the time I was devastated by being betrayed by my "loving family". I drank a lot and smoked a lot and you cant blame the normal health treatments I had for not standing up to that sort of abuse. I was smoking two packs a day and drinking like a fish....so something had to give......lucky my fav#1 came into my life and was a little kind to me in that time. She helped me cut back on both the cigarettes and the booze.
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