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Motives for killing JFK: Powerful Interests vs. Lee Oswald

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Motives for killing JFK: Powerful Interests vs. Lee Oswald

Postby Winston » Mon Dec 10, 2012 11:05 am

Let’s compare the motives and reasons of the power elite network for getting rid of JFK vs. that of Lee Oswald, and see which is more plausible and makes more sense, shall we? This should help you see the bigger picture.

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Conspiracies.htm

Motives for killing JFK: Powerful Interests vs. Lee Harvey Oswald

The Military Industrial Complex

Being the biggest industry in the world with 60 billion in assets, this gigantic Frankenstein monster that was propped up after WWII and all its subcontractors, had a huge profit interest in the Vietnam War. Before leaving office, President Eisenhower warned about them in his speech. On January 17, 1961, in his farewell address to the nation, Eisenhower spoke to the country, and to his successor, John Kennedy:

"The conjunction of an immense military establishment and a large arms industry is new in the American experience. We must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex."

This industry badly wanted the Vietnam War. Huge profits were at stake for them. But Kennedy was going to pull out of Vietnam and issued orders to begin withdrawing troops. He refused to sell out to the biggest industry in America by starting an unnecessary war for profit that would cost many lives. He had too much of a conscience to do that. Thus he stood in the way of a gigantic monster machine.

Lyndon Baines Johnson

LBJ knew that he was going to be dropped from the ticket in the next election and may even be prosecuted for his crimes and scandals. So rather than become President, he would end up in jail. The Kennedys didn’t like him and Robert Kennedy wanted to prosecute him as Attorney General. LBJ was never going get another chance to become President if Kennedy wasn’t out of the way.

His mistress Madeleine Duncan Brown testified that he either knew of the plot or was a part of it, and his lawyer Barr McClellan said he was certain that LBJ was in on the plot, and in fact had a history of having people killed, including his own sister Josefa, who got in his way or threatened to expose him, using his hitman and friend Malcolm Wallace. This was further corroborated by Texas agricultural tycoon Billy Sol Estes. (See the section on whistleblowers)

Thus, if LBJ had others killed in the past, it makes him more likely to do the same with President Kennedy. In short, LBJ had a self-defense motive as well as a benefit in becoming President.

J Edgar Hoover, FBI director

He wanted to be FBI director for life, but Kennedy wanted to fire him because he was corrupt and could not be trusted. Hoover had a file on everyone in government and could use it to blackmail them into doing what he wanted.

The CIA

Kennedy said that he wanted to “smash the CIA into a thousand piecesâ€￾ because they were criminal and out of control. And he planned to do so after the next election. The CIA tried to deceive him into starting a war with Cuba with the Bay of Pigs fiasco. When Kennedy found out, he was furious and fired Allen Dulles and thwarted the CIA’s Bay of Pigs operation. The CIA was furious and decided they had enough of Kennedy. And since Kennedy wanted to destroy them, the CIA had a self-defense motive as well.

The Federal Reserve and Banking Elite

The banking elite are the most powerful group in America. On June 4, 1963, President Kennedy signed Executive Order 11110, which halted the Federal Reserve’s ability to print money out of thin air, backed by nothing, to loan to the Federal government and charge interest on it. Instead, he gave the US Treasury the power to print interest-free currency (silver certificates) backed by silver, which would eventually replace the Federal Reserve notes and eliminate the national debt. This would have usurped the Fed and the banking elite that controlled it. They could not accept this, since in their minds, they owned America by controlling its money supply, and could buy off anyone, except President Kennedy. In their mind “No one messes with the Fed.â€￾ Since then, every President has not dared to mess with them.

In fact, President Abraham Lincoln was probably also taken out for the same reason when he issued interest-free Greenbacks for US currency, which would have also usurped the central banks’ power. After that, President Garfield was also assassinated after taking similar steps to stop the government from borrowing money at interest from private central bankers. After the American Revolution, the central bank also attempted to assassinate President Andrew Jackson twice for destroying them, but miraculously failed both times. It would seem that the central banks have no qualms about getting rid of anyone, including the President of the United States, who stands in their way. Could it just be a coincidence that every President who has tried to usurp the Fed and central private banks’ control over the economy has met an untimely demise at the hands of a “lone nutâ€￾ (except for Andrew Jackson)? You gotta wonder.

The Mob

The mob had a survival interest in offing Kennedy. They felt betrayed because they contributed greatly to Kennedy’s campaign in 1960 which gave him the edge to win over Nixon. In return, Bobby Kennedy prosecuted them and aimed to end their existence, which Jack Kennedy allowed. With their existence at stake, it became a matter of survival and self-defense for them.

The Oil Industry

Kennedy wanted to do away with the oil depletion allowance, which big oil barons in Texas were using as an unfair tax loophole. It is estimated that the proposed removal of the oil depletion allowance would result in a loss of around $300 million a year to Texas oilmen.

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Lee Oswald

In contrast to the above interests, Lee Oswald was not threatened by Kennedy in any way. He did not even dislike Kennedy, but according to his mistress Judyth Baker, liked him (see her testimony in the whistleblower section). And if he wanted justice for Cuba, being an advocate of “Fair Play for Cubaâ€￾, he would have blamed the CIA for attacking Cuba, not President Kennedy for preserving the peace.

Oswald’s only alleged motive, according to his accusers, was that he was tired of being a nobody and wanted to become famous for something – namely by assassinating the President of the United States. (Why not pick someone you hate instead?) Geez. I guess this motive makes more sense than those of the power network groups above huh? Not! (though Gerald Posner, Vince Bugliosi and John McAdams would have you believe otherwise) Out of all the ways that one can become famous, including doing something good, he just had to pick that one. And in doing so, he caused the Vietnam War, national debt, made all the powerful groups above happy, and caused the American people to lose trust in their government. Geez. How plausible is that?

What’s the verdict?

Well there you have it. Now ask yourself: Which of the motives above is plausible and likely and which isn’t? Which makes more sense? If you can see the obvious big picture, then you gotta wonder: If this is so painfully obvious, why would anyone believe with a religious conviction that only Oswald alone was involved in JFK’s assassination? (Posner, Bugliosi, McAdams) Could it be because they are a shill, operative, have a vested interest, or be part of the controlled media?

Immediate after effects of the assassination reveal the intentions

In fact, just look at the RESULTS and effects that immediately followed the JFK assassination, and you will see that they reveal the intentions: Four days into office, Lyndon Johnson reversed Kennedy’s order to withdraw from Vietnam and instead escalated a massive buildup of troops for a full scale war, which erupted after the US staged the Gulf of Tonkin Incident which turned out never happened. LBJ also halted Kennedy’s executive order 11110 which was going to strip the power of the Fed, giving full control of currency back to them. He also reinstated the Oil Depletion Allowance to keep the oil industry happy again.

In short, LBJ did what he was supposed to, which was to serve the power elite network, whereas JFK thought he was really the President of the United States, there to serve the people. Since then, no President has dared to usurp the greedy interests of the Fed, military industrial complex, or the CIA. President Bill Clinton tried to be as anti-war as possible, but he was leveraged by the power network using the Monica Lewinsky scandal, which threatened to impeach him, and had to give in by invading Kosovo per their wishes.

The power network has owned the Presidency since, turning it into a puppet office that serves them rather than the American people. The significance of this is that the American people need to wake up and realize that they do not live in a democratic republic, but in an oligarchy and plutocracy ruled by the elite. The American people need to know that only they can take back their country. The power rests in their hands. Every tyrant has known and feared that the true power lies at the base of the pyramid, not at the top of it. That’s why fear and control have been their modus operandi.

Getting back to the assassination, in order to believe that Lee Oswald acted alone in killing Kennedy, you would have to accept that he in effect CAUSED the Vietnam War, in that if he hadn’t taken out Kennedy, the war would have been prevented per Kennedy’s order and wishes. This means that his senseless act led to the deaths of nearly 60,000 Americans and millions of Vietnamese. It would also mean that Oswald caused the national debt, because his deed gave power back to the Fed, which Kennedy stripped it of. And coincidentally, his act made the power elite above happy, while causing the American people to lose trust in their government. Do you see how ludicrous that is? Does that make any sense at all? Could one deranged nut with no motive cause such things? You tell me. Once you see the big picture, you realize why the official story is more nonsensical than you imagined.

Power and authority in orchestrating the cover up

In the final analysis, the most powerful interests in America had a strong motive, interest and self-defense reason for getting rid of Kennedy. Thus it is far more plausible and probable that elements of these super powerful interests colluded to get rid of President Kennedy, than that one deranged lone nut decided to assassinate Kennedy to become famous with no other motive or gain. Such power elites and conglomerates had the motive, means and power to commit the crime and cover it up afterward, with LBJ able to cover for them all as Kennedy’s successor. These groups controlled the media and law enforcement. They were above the law and could control any investigation.

In stark contrast, a lone nut assassin such as Oswald may be able to obtain a rifle, but he would NOT be able order the Secret Service to stand down, or lure President Kennedy into Dallas. Nor would he be able to cover it up (especially after he's dead). He would NOT be able to alter the bullet wounds on JFK's body, or forge the autopsy photos, or get the Warren Commission to agree to a pre-determined conclusion, or get the FBI and CIA to help cover it up, or threaten and silence witnesses, etc. And neither would the mob acting alone, Castro or the Russians.

That's the bottom line here, and is as simple as basic math. Since the lone nut propagandists can't refute this, all they can do is deny and dismiss it all. So don't let them fool you into believing that 2 + 2 = 100 rather than 4. They will try though, no doubt.
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Postby Winston » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:47 pm

Alleged photo of Oswald in the doorway when President Kennedy was shot

In another development, a photo taken by Ike Altgens of President Kennedy while shots were being fired at him, showed a person standing in the doorway that resembled Lee Oswald. This discovery has huge significance because if it turns out to be Oswald, then it would exonerate him from being a shooter in the assassination, since he could not have been in the sixth floor of the Texas School Book Depository firing the shots, as the Warren Commission alleged. See the photo of the doorman below:

(alleged Oswald in the doorway in the top left corner)

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Close up of the alleged Oswald in the doorway:

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JFK assassination research expert Professor Jim Fetzer, author of "Murder in Dealey Plaza", and others have done extensive analysis into this, comparing the features of the doorman guy with Oswald. They believe that they have a strong case for the doorway man being Oswald based on multiple similarities in clothing and facial features. You can read their articles and photo comparison analysis at the links below:

http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/01/25 ... after-all/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/04/13 ... after-all/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/05/05 ... after-all/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/11 ... after-all/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/06/12 ... after-all/
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2012/11/14 ... a-shooter/
http://www.lewrockwell.com/orig11/cinque7.1.1.html

The Oswald Innocence Campaign, chaired by Jim Fetzer, also has an extensive analysis and comparison of the doorman photo to Oswald on their website: http://www.oswald-innocent.com

As further corroboration, Professor Fetzer learned in 2011 that the Assassination Records Review Board had discovered the handwritten interrogation notes of Will Fritz, the Dallas Homicide Detective who questioned Lee Oswald, which had been released in 2007. Those notes reported that Oswald told Detective Fritz that he had been “out with Bill Shelley in frontâ€￾ during the assassination. For more info on this, see the links above.
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Postby zboy1 » Wed Jan 02, 2013 9:54 pm

Having watched numerous documentaries and books on the subject of JFK's assassination, he was probably killed by a number of factors including all the ones Winston listed in his post: they all had an interest in the assassination plot and probably joined forces to get rid of the President.
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Postby In2dadark » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:37 pm

Check out Jim Fetzer's interview with Dr Judy Wood on YT. He coughs over her & her co guest the entire time. Fetzer forever discredited himself (in my eyes) w/ that. He's a Judy Wood denier.

There is a theory out there that JFK was never killed. Ed Charini on YT. The 'cabal' controls the media now & controlled it then. The Zapruder film came out a decade more or less after the 'assassination' (On Geraldo no less). If you believe we went to the moon, then I guess you'll waste time on this nonsense. They control what people see just like 9/11. Just as they controlled the fake mess that started the 1st & 2nd wars, Vietnam etc etc.
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Postby Hero » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:54 pm

Fascinating stuff. Would you also share your theories about Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?
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Postby Cornfed » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:28 am

There is really only one conspiratorial shadow government, and all of the groups mentioned above are offshoots of it. It follows that if you antagonize one of those groups you antagonize them all, since they are all connected. JFK was assassinated by their usual team of hitmen, which at the time apparently included George H W Bush making his bones.
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Postby In2dadark » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:28 am

Hero wrote:Fascinating stuff. Would you also share your theories about Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?


Not sure whom that is directed at. (If it was me) I mentioned other people's theories & now ...poof.. they're mine. I'm not saying I agree or disagree. The point is, what we are shown & the 'history' we're taught is BS & narrowly controlled. If you watch Charini's vids on JFK, you'll see a whole lot of questionable stuff in there. If he's disinfo like Alex Jones, then the biz model is to mix in 90% truth (+ or -) and the rest is BS to baffle you with.

Used to be a Veteran's Today reader. Now I just skim to see where they're going with it.
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Postby Hero » Sun Nov 24, 2013 12:42 am

In2dadark wrote:
Hero wrote:Fascinating stuff. Would you also share your theories about Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?


Not sure whom that is directed at.


It was directed at Winston. His version of history is fascinating. Can't wait to figure out who really killed Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. And by the way, who really killed Lady Diana and JFK Jr.? Were those really accidents?
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Postby In2dadark » Sun Nov 24, 2013 1:33 am

Hero wrote:
In2dadark wrote:
Hero wrote:Fascinating stuff. Would also share your theories about Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?


Not sure whom that is directed at.


It was directed at Winston. His version of history is fascinating. Can't wait to figure out who really killed Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. And by the way, who really killed Lady Diana and JFK Jr.? Were those really accidents?


No.. They weren't accidents.
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Postby Winston » Tue Nov 26, 2013 9:50 am

In2dadark wrote:Check out Jim Fetzer's interview with Dr Judy Wood on YT. He coughs over her & her co guest the entire time. Fetzer forever discredited himself (in my eyes) w/ that. He's a Judy Wood denier.

There is a theory out there that JFK was never killed. Ed Charini on YT. The 'cabal' controls the media now & controlled it then. The Zapruder film came out a decade more or less after the 'assassination' (On Geraldo no less). If you believe we went to the moon, then I guess you'll waste time on this nonsense. They control what people see just like 9/11. Just as they controlled the fake mess that started the 1st & 2nd wars, Vietnam etc etc.


What do you mean he "coughs" over her? You mean he keeps interrupting her? He has interviewed her many times and been very kind to her. In contrast, Judy Wood has slammed him for no reason and even tried to impersonate his wife. See here:

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/view ... hp?t=20098

What's wrong with denying Judy Wood? She's not infallible.

That theory is crazy. Why would JFK fake his own death? That's too far fetched. You like believing fantastic things don't you? Although that would explain why he so dumbly entered the limo with an open top under highly suspicious circumstances without suspicion. Who is Ed Charini?
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Postby Winston » Tue Nov 26, 2013 10:19 am

Hero wrote:
In2dadark wrote:
Hero wrote:Fascinating stuff. Would you also share your theories about Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?


Not sure whom that is directed at.


It was directed at Winston. His version of history is fascinating. Can't wait to figure out who really killed Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. And by the way, who really killed Lady Diana and JFK Jr.? Were those really accidents?


My version of history? The above comparison about the motives to kill JFK are not "my version". They are based on info from JFK conspiracy books and on the History Channel series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" which you can watch on YouTube.

I don't have any theories on Lincoln, Garfield or McKinley. But Lincoln and Kennedy are both alleged to have tried to issue debt free currency printed by the government to curb the unaccountable power of the Federal Reserve. Lincoln tried to issue Greenbacks, while Kennedy tried to issue silver certificates. I have not seen proof of this, but that's what is claimed.

Bobby Kennedy is a simple one. They had to assassinate him because:

1) He was planning to re-open the case on the assassination of JFK, which would have implicated the CIA, mafia, and many others in powerful positions.
2) He was planning to end the war in Vietnam, which the power cabal wanted to continue.
3) He would have re-enacted the policies that JFK did which threatened many corrupt powerful interests.
4) He was so popular and likable that he would have been in the Whitehouse for 8 years, followed by his brother Ted for another 8 years.
5) They had to get him before he became President or else he would have the protection of the Secret Service and be much harder to assassinate.

They could not use a mysterious sniper again, which would leave too many loose ends. So this time, they had the patsy standing out in the open with a gun in his hand to make it look like a simple open and shut case.

But there is a lot of evidence that Sirhan Sirhan was hypnotized and not even the assassin of RFK. See the documentary series "Evidence of Revision", which also goes into detail about the circumstances around the assassination of Martin Luther King. You can see it on YouTube. The data pointing to conspiracies in those events is too exhaustive to cover here.

Princess Diana was murdered and the official jury inquest even concluded so, although it was covered up by the media. There is plenty of obvious evidence. See the film "Unlawful Killing", which was banned but is now up on YouTube.

I don't know what happened to JFK Jr. It was alleged that he was going to run for public office and try to re-open the case on his dad's assassination. But I haven't seen any evidence of that.

It is said that there is an assassin's creed that when you assassinate a man, you have to take out his son as well, or else he will seek revenge on you when he grows up. So perhaps that's why he was killed? Either way, it has never been truly explained why his plane suddenly dived into the sea.
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Postby gsjackson » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:23 pm

Winston wrote:I don't have any theories on Lincoln, Garfield or McKinley. But Lincoln and Kennedy are both alleged to have tried to issue debt free currency printed by the government to curb the unaccountable power of the Federal Reserve.


There was no Federal Reserve in Lincoln's day. But the point was the same -- to take the power of creating money out of the hands of a private banking cartel.
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Postby OutWest » Tue Nov 26, 2013 2:59 pm

Winston wrote:
Hero wrote:
In2dadark wrote:
Hero wrote:Fascinating stuff. Would you also share your theories about Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?


Not sure whom that is directed at.


It was directed at Winston. His version of history is fascinating. Can't wait to figure out who really killed Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. And by the way, who really killed Lady Diana and JFK Jr.? Were those really accidents?


My version of history? The above comparison about the motives to kill JFK are not "my version". They are based on info from JFK conspiracy books and on the History Channel series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" which you can watch on YouTube.

I don't have any theories on Lincoln, Garfield or McKinley. But Lincoln and Kennedy are both alleged to have tried to issue debt free currency printed by the government to curb the unaccountable power of the Federal Reserve. Lincoln tried to issue Greenbacks, while Kennedy tried to issue silver certificates. I have not seen proof of this, but that's what is claimed.

Bobby Kennedy is a simple one. They had to assassinate him because:

1) He was planning to re-open the case on the assassination of JFK, which would have implicated the CIA, mafia, and many others in powerful positions.
2) He was planning to end the war in Vietnam, which the power cabal wanted to continue.
3) He would have re-enacted the policies that JFK did which threatened many corrupt powerful interests.
4) He was so popular and likable that he would have been in the Whitehouse for 8 years, followed by his brother Ted for another 8 years.
5) They had to get him before he became President or else he would have the protection of the Secret Service and be much harder to assassinate.

They could not use a mysterious sniper again, which would leave too many loose ends. So this time, they had the patsy standing out in the open with a gun in his hand to make it look like a simple open and shut case.

But there is a lot of evidence that Sirhan Sirhan was hypnotized and not even the assassin of RFK. See the documentary series "Evidence of Revision", which also goes into detail about the circumstances around the assassination of Martin Luther King. You can see it on YouTube. The data pointing to conspiracies in those events is too exhaustive to cover here.

Princess Diana was murdered and the official jury inquest even concluded so, although it was covered up by the media. There is plenty of obvious evidence. See the film "Unlawful Killing", which was banned but is now up on YouTube.

I don't know what happened to JFK Jr. It was alleged that he was going to run for public office and try to re-open the case on his dad's assassination. But I haven't seen any evidence of that.

It is said that there is an assassin's creed that when you assassinate a man, you have to take out his son as well, or else he will seek revenge on you when he grows up. So perhaps that's why he was killed? Either way, it has never been truly explained why his plane suddenly dived into the sea.


Add one to your list...there is plausible evidence that in the year before he was killed, Kennedy organized and executed the assassination of South Vietnam's President Diem.
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Postby Winston » Tue Nov 26, 2013 7:40 pm

Here is a revealing documentary by the History Channel about how and why LBJ plotted the assassination of JFK. It was episode 9 of the series "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" and was banned from TV, but was eventually uploaded to YouTube, fortunately. It will drop your jaw and make you never see LBJ the same way again. The evidence in it is compelling and strong, featuring hard evidence and whistleblowers.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jgNfQYpS1gQ[/youtube]
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Postby MrPeabody » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:02 pm

"Wall Street-CIA Rogue Network Implicated in Kennedy Assassination and Subsequent Parallel Government; Remedy is to Break Power of Financiers with Mass Traction Economic Demands"

http://tarpley.net/

Go to middle of page and click on arrow to listen to audio mp3.
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