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Motives for killing JFK: Powerful Interests vs. Lee Oswald

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Postby MrPeabody » Tue Nov 26, 2013 11:10 pm

It should also be mentioned the reason the Kennedys were killed is because they had over-the-top charisma. Charisma is power and would have allowed them to ignore the power elite and go directly to the people. They couldn't be controlled. I actually attended a Robert Kennedy rally in South Dakota which was about two weeks before he was assassinated. He appeared before a potentially hostile conservative audience. When he got on the stage, a baby started crying. Kennedy then said "Now I know how a minister feels on Sunday morning". The audience laughed and from that moment on he had the audience eating out of the palm of his hand. His charisma was electrifying.
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Postby pete98146 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 5:45 pm

Hero wrote:
In2dadark wrote:
Hero wrote:Fascinating stuff. Would you also share your theories about Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?


Not sure whom that is directed at.


It was directed at Winston. His version of history is fascinating. Can't wait to figure out who really killed Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, Jr. And by the way, who really killed Lady Diana and JFK Jr.? Were those really accidents?


I think you are right on the mark here. It's further proof that each and every President is hand picked by the elite. I do think Joseph Kennedy was very involved with the elite and this helped get JFK elected. But once JFK took office he (and Bobby) decided to do things their own way.

When any President goes against the wishes of the elite, they pay for it with their lives.
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Postby Winston » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:24 pm

pete98146 wrote:I think you are right on the mark here. It's further proof that each and every President is hand picked by the elite. I do think Joseph Kennedy was very involved with the elite and this helped get JFK elected. But once JFK took office he (and Bobby) decided to do things their own way.

When any President goes against the wishes of the elite, they pay for it with their lives.


Why didn't JFK get a warning first though? Even Bill Clinton got a warning. When he refused to bomb Bosnia, they almost ruined him with the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Then he complied with the power elite and bombed Bosnia.

MrPeabody wrote:It should also be mentioned the reason the Kennedys were killed is because they had over-the-top charisma. Charisma is power and would have allowed them to ignore the power elite and go directly to the people. They couldn't be controlled. I actually attended a Robert Kennedy rally in South Dakota which was about two weeks before he was assassinated. He appeared before a potentially hostile conservative audience. When he got on the stage, a baby started crying. Kennedy then said "Now I know how a minister feels on Sunday morning". The audience laughed and from that moment on he had the audience eating out of the palm of his hand. His charisma was electrifying.


Wow you saw RFK in person? That must have been amazing. I wonder why RFK didn't try to have bodyguards. Surely he must have known that he was a target.

Bill Clinton had a lot of charisma too. How come he didn't change things as much as he would have liked to?

If you are old enough to have seen RFK, then man, you must have a lot of wisdom and life experience.
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Postby MrPeabody » Wed Nov 27, 2013 7:51 pm

Winston wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:It should also be mentioned the reason the Kennedys were killed is because they had over-the-top charisma. Charisma is power and would have allowed them to ignore the power elite and go directly to the people. They couldn't be controlled. I actually attended a Robert Kennedy rally in South Dakota which was about two weeks before he was assassinated. He appeared before a potentially hostile conservative audience. When he got on the stage, a baby started crying. Kennedy then said "Now I know how a minister feels on Sunday morning". The audience laughed and from that moment on he had the audience eating out of the palm of his hand. His charisma was electrifying.


Wow you saw RFK in person? That must have been amazing. I wonder why RFK didn't try to have bodyguards. Surely he must have known that he was a target.

Bill Clinton had a lot of charisma too. How come he didn't change things as much as he would have liked to?

If you are old enough to have seen RFK, then man, you must have a lot of wisdom and life experience.



Yah, after the rally he went outside and a large crowd developed around him trying to shake his hand and he was standing up in a convertible. I don't remember seeing much security at all. At one point I got close to him and was surprised by how old he looked. At that time the comedians were making fun of him for being so young. But, his face had wrinkles and deep lines, but showed a lot of character.
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Postby pete98146 » Wed Nov 27, 2013 8:05 pm

Winston wrote:
pete98146 wrote:I think you are right on the mark here. It's further proof that each and every President is hand picked by the elite. I do think Joseph Kennedy was very involved with the elite and this helped get JFK elected. But once JFK took office he (and Bobby) decided to do things their own way.

When any President goes against the wishes of the elite, they pay for it with their lives.


Why didn't JFK get a warning first though? Even Bill Clinton got a warning. When he refused to bomb Bosnia, they almost ruined him with the Monica Lewinsky scandal. Then he complied with the power elite and bombed Bosnia.


It's difficult to say what goes on behind closed doors. My guess is that the Kennedy boys received numerous warnings and threats and chose not to adhere. I'll bet you Marilyn Monroe's death was a direct warning. It's a very interesting topic isn't it?
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Postby Winston » Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:45 am

There's something I never understood which none of the JFK conspiracy books have addressed.

If JFK threatened to destroy the CIA, take away the power of the Federal Reserve, and undercut the profits of the Oil Barons and Oil Tycoons by removing the Oil Depletion Allowance, why would he be riding around in an open limo? Surely he must have known that with the CIA as his enemy and the bankers that owned America as well, he would be targeted for assassination for sure. It's like a plothole in a movie.

And why didn't JFK get suspicious when the Secret Service agents were called off from jogging alongside his limo, as seen in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xEK16kLHsM Why didn't he order them back?

None of the conspiracy books have ever addressed this.

I also don't get something about the Lincoln assassination. Why did Lincoln not have any body guards? Anyone could just shoot him in public? That seems kind of stupid. Isn't the President of the United States supposed to have some security guards around him?

Also, when John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln, why did he jump down onto the stage and break his leg, which impeded his getaway? Why didn't he just go out the back the same way he came in?
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Postby Winston » Thu Nov 28, 2013 5:16 am

In2dadark wrote:
Hero wrote:Fascinating stuff. Would you also share your theories about Lincoln, Garfield, and McKinley?


Not sure whom that is directed at. (If it was me) I mentioned other people's theories & now ...poof.. they're mine. I'm not saying I agree or disagree. The point is, what we are shown & the 'history' we're taught is BS & narrowly controlled. If you watch Charini's vids on JFK, you'll see a whole lot of questionable stuff in there. If he's disinfo like Alex Jones, then the biz model is to mix in 90% truth (+ or -) and the rest is BS to baffle you with.

Used to be a Veteran's Today reader. Now I just skim to see where they're going with it.


I watched one of Ed Chiarini's videos on YouTube about the JFK assassination being staged.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4O5N5aTnYJo

It was the craziest video I've ever seen. He claims that everyone involved in the JFK assassination were actors and that the whole thing was staged. He even claims that the actor who played JFK (in real life) also played President Jimmy Carter simply because their ears matched. lol. Wtf? They look nothing alike! He also claimed that Marilyn Monroe faked her death and the actor that played her then became Jacqueline Kennedy. lol. It's totally nuts. Why did you even bring that guy up?

The only interesting thing he showed was that Oswald's handwriting matched that of another celebrity. The way they wrote words and letters in cursive was uncannily similar.
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Postby Jester » Sat Dec 14, 2013 7:18 am

Winston wrote:There's something I never understood which none of the JFK conspiracy books have addressed.

If JFK threatened to destroy the CIA, take away the power of the Federal Reserve, and undercut the profits of the Oil Barons and Oil Tycoons by removing the Oil Depletion Allowance, why would he be riding around in an open limo? Surely he must have known that with the CIA as his enemy and the bankers that owned America as well, he would be targeted for assassination for sure. It's like a plothole in a movie.

And why didn't JFK get suspicious when the Secret Service agents were called off from jogging alongside his limo, as seen in this clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6xEK16kLHsM Why didn't he order them back?

None of the conspiracy books have ever addressed this.

I also don't get something about the Lincoln assassination. Why did Lincoln not have any body guards? Anyone could just shoot him in public? That seems kind of stupid. Isn't the President of the United States supposed to have some security guards around him?

Also, when John Wilkes Booth shot Lincoln, why did he jump down onto the stage and break his leg, which impeded his getaway? Why didn't he just go out the back the same way he came in?


Killing him and covering up took a huge conspiracy including CIA and FBI plus Dallas police. No way to foresee that. First military-style assassination in U.S. history.

Probably he was looking over his shoulder more for shit like being set up and caught with prostitutes etc. I.e. a "political hit", not an actual one.
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Postby Winston » Tue Jan 21, 2014 12:25 pm

Someone asked earlier in this thread about the RFK assassination. Well if you are interested in that, then this talk is a must see. It's by Larry Teeter, who was the lawyer for Sirhan Sirhan, the accused assassin of RFK.

In this talk, Teeter explains in detail the who, how and why RFK was assassinated. He explains a lot and answers a lot of questions. It's very informative, but very disturbing as well. If you listen to this, it will leave a sick feeling in your stomach about the US government.

Teeter was trying to get a re-trial of his case until he died in 2005. Perhaps he was taken out. Who knows.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4TkpUnVOks[/youtube]
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Postby Winston » Sun Feb 09, 2014 7:35 pm

Check this out. On the 50th Anniversary of the JFK Assassination, another new documentary was released called "The Wizard of Oswald". This one is pretty unique in that it uses the whiteboard hand drawing animation and graphics in the presentation, the kind that's used in online presentations and infomercials. It's probably the first and only presentation about the JFK Assassination in this format and style. I just watched it and it is very interesting and informative. It breaks down the people involved in the assassination, their motives and how they came to their decision. In the beginning it talks about human nature and our hierarchy of needs, and how that applies to the ruling elite. It's very long though and lasts 2 hrs 30 minutes, but definitely worth watching.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0s-0ura05IU[/youtube]

There was another documentary released on the 50th Anniversary as well, by Professor Jerry Kroth called "The JFK Assassination: What Really Happened". In it, Kroth does his own presentation and puts together the pieces of the puzzle, naming the major players, their motives and connections. It's also worth seeing.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65N3eP2yvbQ[/youtube]

What's interesting to note is that the mainstream media tries to DECEIVE you by steering you toward one of two conclusions:

1. That Oswald acted alone. Case closed.
2. That there are too many theories and unanswered questions, that we will never know what happened. So you might as well forget about it.

But neither of these are true. If you study the work of the top JFK researchers, such as Jim Marrs, Robert Groden, Jim Fetzer, etc., and examine all the documented evidence and whistleblowers that have come out in the last 10 years, you will learn that 90 percent of the assassination has already been SOLVED. The only disagreements among researchers are about who the shooters were, how many there were, and where they were positioned. But they all agree on who the major players were and their motives. Names and connections have already been established and logically deduced. So it is a mostly solved case, NOT an unsolved one.

This is what the mainstream media doesn't want you to know and refuse to present. Instead, they try to steer you toward the false dichotomy above, to try to prevent you from seeing the truth. It's a classic mind control and disinfo technique where they give you two possibilities to appear neutral, yet both of them steer you away from the true culprits and from the truth. But it hasn't worked. Everyone knows instinctively that they've been lied to about the assassination. And the lies of the media and government have caught up to them, discredited them, and given them bad karma too. After all, you can't lie for years or decades without consequences, no matter how much power and wealth you command.

People are connected to the universe at the roots of their souls and can "feel" what's true and what isn't. The powers that be can't change that. So they continue lying, discrediting themselves, and reaping bad karmic consequences as a result. In the long run, this might be a good thing though, cause it will steer people away from faith in government and the programmed belief that authority=truth, and bring them one step closer toward liberation from lies, propaganda and mind control. Sometimes, bad things are a blessing in disguise.
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Postby Winston » Sun Jul 27, 2014 5:20 am

Check out this new documentary called "Agent Oswald: The CIA Patsy". It was made by the Dark Journalist and is very good. It features many clips from people who knew Oswald and from government insiders and assassination researchers, which attest to Oswald being a CIA agent framed for the murder of President Kennedy. The last part about Oswald's body after it was exhumed years later and what his mortician Paul Groody discovered about it, will run a chill up your spine!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpyMuduBmtQ[/youtube]
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Postby Moretorque » Thu Jul 31, 2014 11:29 pm

Winston you really get carried away with this stuff and you already know the answer but you like to write and have a lot of good information to go along with your writing.

Look when I saw what Bernie Sanders saw with the 1st time independent look at the FED's books that tells everybody with half a brain what is really going on and that was just one look. The system is designed to deflect all attention away form the fact the social engineers are running a counterfeiting operation and have unlimited funds to do whatever they want but they have to be careful how they do it so not to arouse the dumb herd to much and cause a stampede directed at them .

Socialism is a real slick con to get the desired result of herd management as Ed Griffin said in a round about way. None of the central bank's world wide are subject to a independent audit by the herd and this has been going on for centuries.

You watch coming up these guy's are going to attempt to whack the net because to much of the world is figuring out the same people have set this system up world wide and control most of the world wide corporate structure by diverting the funds to their corporations and getting the managerial class who runs the corporate structure for them to do their bidding for a good rate of credit tokens and perky benefits to uphold the bankrupt state dictatorship.
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Postby Winston » Fri Aug 15, 2014 2:53 pm

Have any of you listened to the full one hour radio interview with Lee Harvey Oswald from August, 1963, after he was arrested for getting into a fight while distributing flyers for the "Fair Play For Cuba Committee"?

I just listened to it. It's very interesting. Oswald comes across as very intelligent and level headed. It's very interesting to hear him and get a sense of his personality. He was very articulate and good with words for a 24 year old. He makes a lot of sense too, and doesn't sound like a lone nut who is violent and unstable, as the government claims. (But then again, Mark David Chapman, the assassin who killed John Lennon, also sounded very sane and rational in his interviews as well) Listen to it and let me know what you think. There are two interviews of Oswald. The first one is 40 min and the second one is 20 min. Here is the link:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F_mg5-KCjRU[/youtube]
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Postby Moretorque » Mon Aug 25, 2014 5:21 pm

People need to understand when they brought Joe Kennedy into the club he played ball and made most of his fortune pulling the rope for the elite. He was ambassador to England I believe.

His children did not tote the line and the Kennedy dynasty paid the price for signing up and then reneging on the code. #1 rule of thumb, you do not sign up to the club and take the lavish benefits of doing so then not carry out the Don bosses wishes.
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Re: Motives for killing JFK: Powerful Interests vs. Lee Oswa

Postby Jester » Sat Dec 13, 2014 9:15 am

Was researching the JFK assassination here
http://www.theweek.co.uk/us/jfk-anniversary/55933/who-killed-jfk-51-years-of-conspiracy-theories

and ran across this comment by Hugh O'Neill, summarizing the big picture and explaining motives and timeline:


"JFK did not die in vain. He was punished by the CIA/MIC for having opposed them at every turn since the Bay of Pigs fiasco which he had inherited from the previous administration. The CIA under Allen Dulles had run rings around Eisenhower and thought they could do the same with JFK. When he warned them that there wold be no US military support if the invasion failed, they thought they could bully him. The whole operation date time and place had already 'leaked' from the CIA (not quite as in the CIA propaganda film "The Good Shepherd") but CIA knew it would fail and so knowingly sacrificed those invaders. JFK stood his ground and refused to commit US forces. The subsequent inquiry exposed the duplicity and treachery of Dulles and Co whom JFK sacked. Did this make him friends in the CIA? I don't think so.
Meantime JCS were forever pressing for pre-emptive nuclear strike against Russia since US had overwhelming superiority. JFK asked how many would die: 100 million Russians but only 20 million Americans. He walked out the room in disgust, asking if these men were Human.
JCS and CIA then proposed Operation Northwoods to provide a casus belli to attack Cuba (false flag terrorist attacks against cities, ships and planes) which JFK vetoed.
Oct 1962 Missile Crisis was whne JFK had to face down both the Russians and his own military. He did so successfully by secretly conveying to Khruschev that he needed help since he was not sure if his own side might stage a coup. Khruschev withdrew and the world was saved from inevitable nuclear holocaust.
We all of us owe a huge debt of thanks to JFK who knew that this last action might earn hiss assassination. Undeterred, he pushed through the Nuclear Test Ban Treaty and determined to get out of Vietnam (NSAM 263). LBJ was more to the liking of JCS and he promised them their war. Thus 22nd Nov 1963 was a Military Coup d'Etat carried out by CIA, for whom Oswald was an asset. The Warren Commission set up by LBJ had only 1 goal: to "prove" that Oswald acted alone and was not part of any Conspiracy. Funny how Dulles was chosen to manage the Commission and concealed the fact that Oswald was CIA.
There is no mystery about this assassination other than why anybody still swallows the "official version" of events i.e. CIA propaganda. CIA issued advice on how to counter anyone who questioned the official account: call them "Conspiracy theorists" which is the origin of this pejorative. CIA specialise in 2 things: killing and propaganda. Most of what we think we "know" about JFK is CIA disinformation designed to conceal their part in his killing and we have had 50 years of it.
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