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The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby MrPeabody » Sun Sep 14, 2014 7:10 am

This is an interesting article that explains why the Illuminati Conspiracy theory is a diversion from what is really going on, and gives an alternate explanation.

Illuminati conspiracy theory - one group controls the world.

Alternative theory - no one group controls. There are competing groups of imperialists who fight each other for control while simultaneously subjugating the masses under them.

http://www.revcom.us/a/272/illuminati-is-a-myth-en.html
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Postby gsjackson » Sun Sep 14, 2014 9:19 am

I read an interesting post on the Saker's blog, noting that of the main power blocs controlling the US (and therefore the West) -- banksters, Zionists, the national security state (CIA, NSA, etc.), oil companies, defense contractors and the military -- the first three are almost always in lockstep, but are often at cross purposes with the latter three. The current situation with Russia being a good example.

Makes some sense, though I'd think that the warmongers among the first three generally have a unity of purpose with the defense contractors. But to a great degree the split is cultural, according to the argument. The first three power blocs (which also control the media) are largely Jewish or Jewish-controlled, the latter three Protestant.

In any case, all six have the money to purchase public policy as needed, and between them ensure that nothing will ever be done for the general public interest.
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Postby publicduende » Sun Sep 14, 2014 10:50 am

The "complete" conspiracy theory about the Illuminati says that yes, there are indeed multiple elite groups having (usually) competing and conflicting goals. And yes, said groups occasionally regroup and join forces when a common benefit is observed or sought - a global war, for example, which works a treat for the banking cartel, the energy cartel and the military-industrial complex.

The more understated and sinister aspect is that all these disparate groups eventually report to more rarefied, less visible elites who play them one against the other or together depending on agendas not completely known to any of the subjected parties.

For all their fallacies and distortions, on this researchers like David Icke are right: the more one climbs the world power ladder, the more they find individuals who have lost any residual trace of humanity and empathy. They find individuals entirely driven by scrupulous, disciplined adherence to the orders received from the power brokers above them. Such orders are never questioned, only executed.

After all, the obscure gods of esoteric schools resemble neither the Christian God nor Lucifer, or Satan: they are entities beyond good and evil, elevated by centuries of worship and devotion, whose endgame will never be revealed to humanity, and who might possibly have superior gods giving them orders.

The only valuable gift the gods our makers gave us is free will. Making choices in tune with our personalities, our desires, our beliefs and following up with them till the bitter end, if necessary, is what defines us as humans and sets us apart from the rest of the animal kingdom. The worst horror in human existence is to live too much out of someone else's choices and too little out of our own.
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Postby Winston » Tue Nov 10, 2015 12:10 pm

This theory in the OP article seems to make more sense, in that there are secret cabals and secret societies that control the highest levels of power. However, they are many groups that often compete with each other, not one all encompassing group that commands all secret societies under its wings, like the Illuminati. That sounds more plausible than one unified group controlling everything with one agenda uniting them, like an Illuminati group. Fschmidt told me that he has met powerful elites before and that they are ruthless and would not trust each other even, let alone conspire together toward a unified goal.

However, that article was weird. At the end, it says capitalism is the real problem, not secret elite societies and bloodline families. And that the solution is socialism and communism. That's so narrow and one dimensional. Where have we heard that before?

publicduende wrote:After all, the obscure gods of esoteric schools resemble neither the Christian God nor Lucifer, or Satan: they are entities beyond good and evil, elevated by centuries of worship and devotion, whose endgame will never be revealed to humanity, and who might possibly have superior gods giving them orders.


That's interesting that you say that, because the Discovery Channel just put out a new documentary on secret societies where they film a live ritual in the OTO, an offshoot of Freemasonry, where the initiates summon a supernatural being to come down and possess them and give them truth, light and wisdom. Adama will go wild over this one. lol

The documentary presented experts on both sides of the debate as to whether secret societies rule the world as one unified force or many separate ones. Alex Jones is featured on it too, as well as an ex-Freemason insider and whistleblower. See it here:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWfJxQKVTX0[/youtube]
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Re: The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby Adama » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:37 pm

Denial doesnt make things go away. It just means your coping skills are similar to that of the ostrich. That's fine by me. Stop asking me questions if you know you aren't going to like the answers. Why people ask questions they don't like the answer to boggles the mind.
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Re: The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby Adama » Tue Nov 10, 2015 3:48 pm

That's interesting that you say that, because the Discovery Channel just put out a new documentary on secret societies where they film a live ritual in the OTO, an offshoot of Freemasonry, where the initiates summon a supernatural being to come down and possess them and give them truth, light and wisdom. Adama will go wild over this one. lol


If that is true, then this is only proof that the truth can be shown to you and set right before your eyes, and you'll continue to disbelieve it. If this freemasonry group summoned an entity to possess them (demons by definition), then doesnt that tell you they are in contact with demons? How much more do you need? They just showed you, right? I havent watched it. I am just going by your sentence here. If that is true, they showed you the illuminati is led by demons, especially demonic possession. They both told you and showed you. Yet you will continue to believe that they do not worship or contact demonic entities.

Winston, you are asleep. Your eyes are open, but your spiritual faculties are not functioning. They just showed you the truth. They told you the truth. Yet because Michael Tsarion told you those entitles are not evil, you believe him rather than God. That's fine. Just realize you're being deceived by a demonic doctrine. I could scream this at you all day everyday and you'll think I am a nut when you are listening to men who are the real lunatics lead by Satan. WAKE UP WINSTON! I know you'll die believing a bunch of nonsense though, cause you don't want God.


Fschmidt told me that he has met powerful elites before and that they are ruthless and would not trust each other even, let alone conspire together toward a unified goal.


Fschmidt has one or two nice ideas, but now I think he just wants to make a cult with him at the center. He is also Jewish and thinks anyone who thinks badly about Jews or disagrees with Zionism is a bad person and stupid. He also openly admits that he scams people on the internet, unless that was an exaggeration. And he wants to teach the Bible without actually believing in it himself. I would not listen to Fschmidt's opinions on elites, because his moral compass isn't close to being pure. In other words, he is not the source of truth.
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Re: The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby Adama » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:12 pm

If that exFreemason is a Catholic, that ought to show that Catholicism isnt from God. He wasnt saved. To be a freemason, they must make evil oaths, and they must worship Satan. The Bible prohibits both of those, and I do not believe a saved person could get even close to doing either one of those.
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Re: The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby Adama » Tue Nov 10, 2015 4:17 pm

Apparently you weren't listening closely, Winston.

"Freemasonry's golden aim is to rule the world." Time index 22:46 .
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Re: The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby Moretorque » Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:14 am

This is all bullchit,

They are really hoping the herd is so dumb to keep eating this con up forever.
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Re: The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby Winston » Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:08 am

Actually, the Illuminati are NOT a myth. There was a historical Bavarian Illuminati that was started by Adam Weishaupt in 1776 and officially founded on May 1st, which is also the day that Communists celebrate. Coincidence? Not according to top conspiracy researchers and experts. The only question is whether the Bavarian Illuminati ended when it was exposed in 1786 when lightning hit one of its couriers in Europe. After that, the monarchs of Europe banned it. So it either ended there, or it went underground and infiltrated the Freemason secret societies and other front groups. That's the issue. Not whether it ever existed.

Establishment historians like to tell you that the Illuminati ended there, to draw you away from "conspiracy theories" because you are not supposed to believe that conspiracies are possible in the high level power structures of America. But historical documents and primary sources say otherwise. You guys should check them out first before drawing your conclusions.

First, have any of you read "Proofs of a Conspiracy" by John Robison, published in 1798? It was published at the time that the Bavarian Illuminati started by Adam Weishaupt existed, and was based on primary sources at the time. In that book, Robison explained how the Illuminati infiltrated Freemasonry and fled to America to escape persecution, and how it was responsible for the French Revolution too (which were not random uprisings as you've been told). He exposed the plans of the Illuminati to abolish the monarchy, religion, breakup the family, spread feminism, start a new world order and global government, and use "democracy" and "socialism" as a stepping stone to all these goals. Today we see that most of these objectives of Weishaupt's Illuminati have COME TRUE, as we all know. Coincidence? Yeah right. I think not.

Even George Washington said that the Illuminati existed. A copy of Robison's book was sent to him, and Washington admitted in his personal letters that it was true that the Illuminati had come to America and infiltrated Freemasonry. This is a PRIMARY SOURCE guys! Here are Washington's exact words about it in his letter:

"It was not my intention to doubt that, the Doctrines of the Illuminati, and principles of Jacobinism had not spread in the United States. On the contrary, no one is more truly satisfied of this fact than I am.
The idea that I meant to convey, was, that I did not believe that the Lodges of Free Masons in this Country had, as Societies, endeavoured to propagate the diabolical tenets of the first, or pernicious principles of the latter (if they are susceptible of seperation). That Individuals of them may have done it, or that the founder, or instrument employed to found, the Democratic Societies in the United States, may have had these objects; and actually had a seperation of the People from their Government in view, is too evident to be questioned."

- George Washington, Mount Vernon, October 24, 1798.

The letter is archived in the Library of Congress here:
http://memory.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/r?ammem/mgw:@field%28DOCID+@lit%28gw360395%29%29

Here is a scanned copy of Washington's handwritten letter:

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Anyhow, you can read John Robison's "Proofs of a Conspiracy" for free online. Just Google "John Robison Proofs of a Conspiracy". You can also get it from Amazon Kindle for free. The full title of it is: "PROOFS OF A CONSPIRACY AGAINST ALL THE RELIGIONS AND GOVERNMENTS OF EUROPE, CARRIED ON IN THE SECRET MEETINGS OF FREE MASONS, ILLUMINATI, AND READING SOCIETIES". It was written during the time that the Bavarian Illuminati was exposed and went underground so it's a primary source, which even contains quotes from Adam Weishaupt himself, such as this:

"The great strength of our Order lies in its concealment; let it never appear in any place in its own name, but always covered by another name, and another occupation. None is better than the three lower degrees of Free Masonry; the public is accustomed to it, expects little from it, and therefore takes little notice of it. Next to this, the form of a learned or literary society is best suited to our purpose, and had Free Masonry not existed, this cover would have been employed; and it may be much more than a cover, it may be a powerful engine in our hands. By establishing reading societies, and subscription libraries, and taking these under our direction, and supplying them through our labours, we may turn the public mind which way we will." - Adam Weishaupt


Links to this historical book:
http://www.conspiracyarchive.com/PROOFS_OF_A_CONSPIRACY_John_Robison.pdf
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/2864812-proofs-of-a-conspiracy
http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/pc/pc03.htm

John Robison (1739-1805) was a Scottish scientist, who late in life wrote the one of the definitive studies of the Bavarian Illuminati. He was a contemporary and collaborator with James Watt, with whom he worked on an early steam car, contributor to the 1797 Encylopedia Britannica, professor of philosophy at the University of Edinburgh, and inventor of the siren.

Although Robison was very much an advocate of science and rationalism, in later life, disillusioned by the French Revolution, he became an ardent monarchist. In this work, Proofs of a Conspiracy, Robison laid the groundwork for modern conspiracy theorists by implicating the Bavarian Illuminati as responsible for the excesses of the French Revolution. The Bavarian Illuminati, a rationalist secret society, was founded by Adam Weishaupt in 1776 in what is today Germany. They had an inner core of true believers, who secretly held radical atheist, anti-monarchist and possibly proto-feminist views, at that time considered beyond the pale. They recruited by infiltrating the numerous (and otherwise benign) Freemasonic groups which were active at the time on the continent. Necessarily they had a clandestine, compartmentalized, hierarchical organizational form, which has led some modern conspiracy theorists to identify them as the original Marxist-Leninist group. However, this is most likely simply a case of parallel evolution.


Another book that also came out in 1798 that also exposed the Illuminati was "Code of the Illuminati" by Abbe Barreul:

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B0021YV3F4/internetsacredte

This is the third part (of four) of Abbé Barreul's massive polemic history of the French Revolution. This book is of interest because it contains extensive quotes from the actual literature of the Bavarian Illuminati.

This is the most comprehensive work in English on the historical theory, structure and practice of the Bavarian Illuminati. It complements Robison's Proofs of a Conspiracy, the other major contemporary account.

Founded in 1776, shortly before the American Revolution, the Bavarian Illuminati were a secret society with a revolutionary ideology, and a centralized structure. According to Abbé Barreul, they subverted the Masonic lodges of Europe, and were one of the key driving forces behind the French Revolution. New members were gradually initiated into the group's radical ideas, which, according to Barreul, were atheist and anarchist in essence.


And yes this is a PRIMARY SOURCE because:

http://www.sacred-texts.com/sro/mhj/index.htm

Barreul was very conservative, and his translator, Robert Edward Clifford, likewise. However, Barreul was a serious historian, even though he wrote from a decidedly non-neutral point of view. As a contemporary, he was able to view the primary source documents and interview participants. As such this book is today, in and of itself, a primary source.


Also, in 1924, Nesta Webster published a book called "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements" where she exposed the Illuminati, Freemasons, and Zionist conspiracies. Do you know about that? It is referenced by conspiracy researchers, and you can read it for free online or get it for free from Amazon Kindle.

In the 1960's, a NWO elite insider named Dr. Carroll Quigley, who was Bill Clinton's mentor, published a 1300 page book called "Hope and Tragedy" where he outlined the NWO plan of the elites. However, he was very pro-NWO, not against it, and thought it was a good thing. His only beef with it was that he believed it should be made public, not kept secret. You can read it for free online by Googling it too.

So you see, there are LOTS of primary sources and historical documents from insiders and astute researchers about the Illuminati, Freemasonry and NWO conspiracies. So why are some of you pretending that such conspiracies don't exist? For God sake, please try to EDUCATE yourself on such things. Check out the books above, which are close to being primary sources or contain them.

You can also start by watching this presentation by the John Birch Society called "Overview of America II" which presents historical documents about the Illuminati, NWO and Council on Foreign Relations, that ties it all together. It's very good and informative.

Overview of America II
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eOS5acoEJk

Also see the original "Overview of America", a 30 minute documentary that presents facts and truths that I'm sure you will all agree with:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MzxC8Mqupw

Next, see this 45 minute documentary "The Capitalist Conspiracy" by Edward G Griffin, which gives a great factual introduction to the conspiracies that rule the Western world today.

The Capitalist Conspiracy
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=udWXFC2sWU8

I'm gonna keep throwing these documents and links at you all until you agree to get yourself EDUCATED and stop living in denial about these historical facts and modern realities about conspiracies. Don't make me repeat all this again please. Oh and sorry but waving your hand in dismissal DOES NOT remove all this evidence, historical documents and facts. Neither does ignoring all this. So don't even try to do that. No can do. Deal with the reality please.
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Re: The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby Winston » Sun Dec 20, 2015 11:42 am

MrPeabody and Fschmidt,
Even this British BBC documentary about the Illuminati documents its real existence. It admits that the biggest proof of their existence today is that almost all its goals and plans outlined have come true in the modern world. So you see, the Illuminati is not a myth or entertainment idea. The BBC seems to be a lot more open minded and objective than the US media is.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wTRhq9RDvWA[/youtube]

Also, you should see the testimony of Arizona Wilder and Cathy O'Brien, who claim to be Illuminati insiders. See the book "The Trance Formation of America" by Cathy O'Brien.
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Re: The Illuminati is a Myth

Postby Winston » Tue Dec 29, 2015 12:08 am

This Black New Age Guru explains why you should not worry about the Illuminati or give your power over to them. Instead become the "Illuminati" yourself and you will be free of it. He is interesting and entertaining.

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