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Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Taco » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:06 am

If robots take away half the current jobs the remaining people could just starve to death.

http://www.shtfplan.com/commodities/in-the-robotic-near-future-most-will-live-off-government-provided-income_04022015

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5MLvHvITvg[/youtube]
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Wolfeye » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:39 am

All this can just NOT be done. This action is being done by people, so countering their actions would be a means of circumventing it.

Someone doesn't have a right to do whatever amplifies their profits or lowers their overhead costs. Maybe they look at it as self-defense, since life is not just biological activation- it's also the activities & conditions that make up someone's situation. This means it's a destruction of their life to have any of their actions counteracted in any way. Not really much of a way to argue that, but then there isn't always a point to trying to get things rolling by making your case. Especially since someone can always say "I know it's a problem, but I like problems" or do something & say nothing.

If someone (whoever they are) see it as an expression of self-determination to cause problems for people (in this case, editing people out of their means of support- however materialistic someone might not be, they still need resources to do things), then simply going against their decisions is the way to nullify these activities. Same goes for their "factors" or "functionaries" or whatever you want to call them. These people don't ALWAYS have bodyguards or enforcers, but sometimes they do.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby drealm » Fri Apr 03, 2015 5:52 am

I notice I've started using the self checkout counter more. At first it bothered me but I'd rather deal with it than some asshole at the counter.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Wolfeye » Fri Apr 03, 2015 9:44 am

But when it doesn't work right, it's a royal pain in the ass & it doesn't seem to take cash (if it does, I'd think it would be like the snack machines). The thing is that some asshole at the counter might be someone that is trying to get by- even if he's not someone you're rooting for, it might not be that you'd want him or her to have issues.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby xiongmao » Fri Apr 03, 2015 6:14 pm

Anyone interested in this theme should look for a TV show called Real Humans. It was advertised on Spanish TV. I could only find a Spanish torrent of it, but it's well worth a look. If only because the leading lady is a very attractive Korean MILF!!!

It's hard to figure out the plot as my Spanish is very basic. But it seems in the utopian future robots do all the boring work (some work in an Amazon warehouse, others are housework droids) and there are also sex robots. That's a bit like Chobits (a cool anime that's also worth checking out).

Some humans get very attached to their droids, and there also seem to be some droids who think that working for humans is so not cool.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Wolfeye » Sat Apr 04, 2015 4:15 am

There was a movie called "Surrogates" with Bruce Willis that touched on things like this. Interesting movie, although the ending was somewhat annoying. Seems like there might be a picking up where things were left off afterward, but maybe not. Trying to dodge any spoilers.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Moretorque » Sun Apr 05, 2015 9:41 pm

The 30 minute sit com The Surrogate by Larry David is a complete masterpiece.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Taco » Mon Apr 06, 2015 4:09 am

This just in.

So Are We All Going To Lose Our Jobs?
http://www.returnofkings.com/58568/so-are-we-all-going-to-lose-our-jobs

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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Taco » Thu Apr 09, 2015 12:26 am

They already have robot drivers now.

Driverless Car Completes California to New York Trip
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/04/driverless-car-completes-california-to.html
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Teal Lantern » Thu Apr 09, 2015 1:22 am

Taco wrote:They already have robot drivers now.

Driverless Car Completes California to New York Trip
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/04/driverless-car-completes-california-to.html

With no driver, how will greedy municipalities grub money from speed traps and red-light cameras?
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby droid » Thu Apr 09, 2015 10:52 pm

Taco wrote:If robots take away half the current jobs the remaining people could just starve to death.
http://www.shtfplan.com/commodities/in-the-robotic-near-future-most-will-live-off-government-provided-income_04022015
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5MLvHvITvg[/youtube]


Ok I'm obligated to chip-in Lol.

RT is nothing but a union-worshipping leftist front posturing as 'alternative'.

There are several logical fallacies when it comes to this subject, but it's hard to explain.

-Robots will produce everything, therefore people will starve
If they are producing everything at minimal cost, there should thus be super abundance, and in turn prices should plummet, approaching zero.
It is through price reduction that consumers benefit, not through artificial "redistribution" schemes. That's why you see "poor" households with 50" LED TVs and son on these days, things which were science fiction just 100 year ago.

It's all inversely proportional, If they have taken most jobs, prices should be proportionally lower. And at the extreme, if they have taken ALL jobs, then prices should be zero.
You can't have it both ways, you can't have super cheap production, and people not being able to afford it.
If there are fewer tasks (jobs) for humans, the natural balance is achieved by distributing those hours and having all people work fewer hours, which is ok, since prices are lower, as described above. It is only because of "benevolent" liberal and "conservative" fix ups and culture that some end up with excessive work hours while others have nothing to do.

But let's suppose for a moment there is an artificial mafia where only a few are allowed to own the robots and they then "gouge" prices of production.
Then it follows that human-produced items (if allowed) will still be competitive, and people will have jobs that will allow them to buy (their own) products.
Again you can't have it both ways, you can't have automation "take all the jobs" and still have "high prices". They can only take all the jobs if people are consuming the -cheap- products.

As far as a mafia owning all robots and not allowing human competition, these are artificial constructs that have nothing to do with the principles of mechanization/automation itself. Criticisms should be directed to the proper problems.

I think the only way for leftists to support droids would be to declare us "self-aware" (whatever that means lol) so we become a cause-project in the sense of us having "rights" and so on Lol :mrgreen:
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby droid » Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:08 pm

Taco wrote:They already have robot drivers now.
Driverless Car Completes California to New York Trip
http://globaleconomicanalysis.blogspot.com/2015/04/driverless-car-completes-california-to.html


Regulations about distance between cyclists and pedestrians may also be changed, as there’s a worry self-driving cars will be stuck for miles because they’ll wait to have enough space to pass.


Admittedly, Delphi’s test involved mostly highway driving, so there was minimal exposure to difficult scenarios that can pop up in city and even urban driving.


And ABC News reports that the only time a human driver needed to take over the car on a recent eight-mile test drive was when the car had to unexpectedly merge into another lane due to road construction


Lol it's all still quite a ways from this being complete. All those clunky radars and lidars are clumsy cheating, It should all be camera based like a real driver to be legit IMO.
Not to sound like PaloAlto Scam but i"m working on a vision and AI library that should allow for this to happen more seriously.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Wolfeye » Fri Apr 10, 2015 7:59 am

I'd like to start this post with two words: "Cotton gin." The idea with that was that it would reduce slavery, since it didn't take as much manpower. But what happened?

Also, it's entirely possible for costs to be high- since someone just sets whatever prices they decide on. Anything at all can be sanction & you're only dealing with actions, anyway.

One more thing is that if people aren't where these things come from, how are they going to go on strike when conditions are bad? The chair being kicked out from under the situation as far as resources or profits go is a major thing- if things are produced by machines, how are the people going to hamstring antagonistic endeavors? What are they going to do? Stop producing the weapons, or the transportation, or the food?

I've noticed that it seems the world is getting somewhat inhospitable for humans. Like how so many things aren't hand-operated or have electric locks & such. There's a large condition of needed a "technological middle man" for everything. However materialistic someone may not be, they need resources to do things. Someone trying to annex those resources is perceivable as attempting to supplant the people. I guess there could be SOME possibility for a different reason than that, but someone can also be swinging a bat at your head to kill a mosquito.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby droid » Fri Apr 10, 2015 3:02 pm

Holy smokes, no disrespect but your posts are all completely incomprehensible, wolfeye.
Are you using google translate? in that case sorry, i understand the difficulty.

Also, it's entirely possible for costs to be high- since someone just sets whatever prices they decide on. Anything at all can be sanction & you're only dealing with actions, anyway.

I disagree, competition takes care of that, if it is permitted to work. No one can just "set whatever price".
If competition is restricted, then you have to look at that prohibition as the real problem, but it has nothing to do with automation.
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Re: Robots Replacing Humans

Postby Moretorque » Sat Apr 11, 2015 1:30 am

Droid I like the new look, is the Cylon look coming in ?
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