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Why our universe is likely to be a hologram

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Why our universe is likely to be a hologram

Postby Winston » Thu Oct 04, 2007 12:57 pm

A Holographic View of Reality
David S. Walonick, Ph.D.

For thousands of years, philosophers have pondered our role in the
universe. The study of social structures began as the study of our
souls. Only by turning inward could we unravel the mysteries of our
institutions. Society was viewed as a reflection and extension of our
inner-selves.

A few hundred years ago, Descartes introduced the scientific method of
inquiry and dramatically changed the way that we searched for answers.
The scientific method stressed the individuality and separateness of
things. Institutions could be understood by dissecting and analyzing the
individual components. The inquirer was simply a passive observer of
external phenomena. This paradigm went unchallenged for over three
hundred years.

The twentieth century began with Einstein's theory of relativity. The
observer was no longer external to the phenomena being studied. In fact,
all patterns could be described only relative to the observer. At first,
Einstein's theory was confined to the physical world, however, twenty
years later, von Bertalanffy extended the idea of relativity to the
social sciences. General systems theory could be used to examine both
the physical and social sciences. The role of the mind in the
construction of reality became an issue of concern. In fact, for some
scientists, it had now become a central theme.

In the 1920's Wilder Penfield presented convincing evidence that
memories were stored in specific locations in the brain. Penfield
performed surgery on epileptic patients and found that when he
stimulated the temporal lobes, the patients relived experiences from the
past. He found that whenever he stimulated a specific region of the
brain, it evoked the same memory. In his book The Mystery of the Mind
(1975), Penfield described the patients experience as a "flashback",
where the patient actually re-lived the experience. Penfield concluded
that this meant that all experiences were stored in specific locations
of the brain in memory engrams.

In an effort to verify Penfield's experiments, biologist Karl Lashley
(1950) began searching for the elusive engrams. He had trained rats in
maze-running abilities and then attempted to surgically remove the
portion of the rat's brains that contained the maze-running knowledge.
Lashley found that no matter what portion of the brain he removed, the
rats retained their maze-running knowledge. Even when massive portions
of the brain were removed, the rats were still able to navigate through
the maze.

Karl Pribram (1969), a student of Penfield, was astonished by Lashley's
research. Pribram noticed that when brain-injured patients had large
sections of their brain removed, they did not suffer a loss of any
specific memories. Instead, the patient's memory became increasingly
hazy as greater portions of the brain were removed. Further research
indicated that Penfield's experiments could be only duplicated on
epileptic patients. Pribram (1977) came to the conclusion that memories
are not localized in any specific brain cells, but rather, memory seemed
to be distribution throughout the whole brain. The problem was that
there was simply no known mechanism that would explain how this was
possible.

Pribram remained puzzled until the mid 1960's, when he ran across an
article in Scientific American describing the construction of laser
hologram. He immediately synthesized the information and hypothesized
that the mind itself was operating in a holographic manner.

Anatomist Paul Pietsch (1981) simply could not believe Pribram's theory,
and he set out to disprove the holographic theory of the brain. After
performing thousands of operations on salamanders, he became convinced
that the mind perceives and stores information by encoding and decoding
complex interference patterns.

A hologram is created by splitting a laser beam into two separate beams.
One beam is bounced off an object, and the other serves as a reference
beam. An interference pattern is created that bears little resemblance
to the object, however, it contains all the information necessary to
recreate the image of the object. The most remarkable feature to Pribram
was the idea that a photographic plate containing a laser image could be
broken in two, and each half would contain the complete image of the
object, but with less resolution. This was identical to the way that
memory in the brain seemed to be operating. Regardless of how many times
the photographic plate was broken, each piece contained the information
necessary to reconstruct the entire image.

Pribram hypothesized that the neurons, axions, and dendrites of the
brain create wave-like patterns that cause an interference pattern. In
1966 he published his findings and during the next few years he refined
his theory. According to Pribram, a holographic theory explains many of
the mysteries of the brain, including the enormous capacity of the brain
for the storage and retrieval of information.

By the 1970's several other researchers had expanded Pribram's theory.
British physicist Pieter van Heerden (1970) proposed that our ability to
recognize familiar objects is similar to recognition holography. A
similar technique known as interference holography could explain our
ability to perceive differences in a object that has changed. Harvard
researchers Daniel Pollen and Michael Tractenberg (1972) studied
individuals with eidetic (photographic) memories and proposed the idea
that memory is related to an individual's ability to create holographic
images in the brain. People with outstanding memories are better able to
access larger portions of their brains.

One distinguishing characteristic of a hologram is the ability to create
a virtual image. A virtual image is a three-dimensional extension in
space that appears to exist, yet contains no substance. We generally
believe that we are able to clearly distinguish between external and
internal events, however, considerable research has shown that the
division is not as well-defined as we perceive. The "world-out-there"
and the "world-in-here" are not always clearly delineated.

In the late 1960's Georg von Bekesy demonstrated that blindfolded
subjects could be induced to experience sensations in areas outside of
the body. By attaching vibrators to their knees, von Bekesy was able to
alter subject's perceptions of the location of the vibrators so they
believed that they were experiencing sensations in the space between
their knees. This artificially created phenomena is similar to the
phantom limb pain experienced by amputees. (Talbot, 1991, p.25)

Research in the 1960's had shown that each brain cell in the visual
cortex responds to a specific pattern. Some brain cells fired when
horizontal lines were perceived, while others responded to vertical
lines. Berkeley neurophysiologists Russel and Karen DeValois (1979)
demonstrated that the brain was using Fourier mathematics to decode
visual images. Recently, Fourier analysis has been used to explain our
perception of hearing and smell. The brain operates as a complex
frequency analyzer.

The problem with the holographic model comes when we try to understand
what the brain is actually perceiving. The holographic model implies
that our perceptions are merely an illusion. If we are perceiving an
interference pattern, what is the true nature of thing we are
perceiving? The hologram consists of both a reflected and reference
beam. What is the nature of the thing being reflected? Or equally
illusive, what is the brain's equivalent of a reference beam?

Quantum physics has presented us with a puzzling picture of the nature
of reality. Physicists have demonstrated that quanta can manifest
themselves as either particles or waves. When scientists are not looking
at electrons, they always exist as a wave, and whenever they design an
experiment to observe the elections, they always appear as particles.
Danish physicist Niels Bohr pointed out that it is meaningless to talk
about the properties and characteristics of a particle that is not being
observed. Einstein did not accept Bohr's argument. He believed that Bohr
had to be wrong because the implications of quantum theory were simply
too astounding (Talbot, 1991, p.35-38).

At the heart of the controversy was the idea of instantaneous
communication between particles. When two complimentary particles were
allowed to travel apart, their polarizations could be simultaneously
measured. Quantum theory predicted that regardless of the distance
between the particles, their polarizations would always be the same. The
act of measuring one would force the polarization of the other. Einstein
(1935) interpreted this to mean that quantum theory was incorrect
because nothing could travel faster than the speed of light. Bohr argued
that Einstein was incorrect in thinking of the particles as separate. He
maintained that they were part of an indivisible system. Quantum theory
proved to be incredible successful and became the accepted theory even
though the technology did not exist to actually perform the experiment.

Princeton physicist David Bohm (1980) became a believer in holographic
systems during his study of plasma systems. He found that when a gas
became a plasma, the individual electrons began behaving as a unified
whole. The electrons became engaged in a process of self-organization.
Bohm became disillusioned with quantum theory because it attempted to
isolate cause-and-effect relationships from the universe as a whole. He
maintained that only a holistic view would explain the electron
co-ordination in high energy plasma systems. Furthermore, Bohm argued
that space itself was an illusion, and that it was meaningless to
discuss the separateness of things at the quantum level. Physicists
began describing the quantum potential in terms of nonlocal connections.

By the 1960's Bohm began to view chaos as a misnomer. He believed that
"randomness" contains a hidden order, and that we perceive disorder only
because of our limited understanding of the complexity of the processes
involved. In 1980, Bohm published his first book on the holographic
nature of the universe entitled Wholeness and the Implicate Order. In
it, he referred to our level of existence as the explicate (unfolded)
order. He maintained that there was a deeper level of order in the
universe which he called the implicate order. The constant flow of
energy between the explicate and implicate levels of reality offered an
explanation of nonlocal phenomena. Bohm referred to the universe as a
dynamic holomovement.

Our Cartesian view of the world makes it difficult to comprehend the
implications of Bohm's theory. We have a tendency to divide things into
parts and give them unique names. "If we think of reality as constituted
of independent fragments, we will think in fragmented ways." (Ferguson,
1992) According to Bohm's theory, the separateness of things is but an
illusion, and all things are actually part of the same unbroken
continuum. Holographic theory is an extension of general system theory
because it recognizes that the boundaries of a system are an artificial
construct. System theory stresses the relationships between the
components of the system, however, the boundaries of the system are
defined to suit the researcher's purpose. In holographic theory, the
fragmentation created by the boundary definitions does not exist. Each
component is part of an unbroken whole. Systems theory stresses the
individuality of the system components. Holographic theory stresses the
oneness of its components. Component A is not simply related to
component B--A is B.

In 1982, Alain Aspect and a team of physicists were able to actually
carry-out the polarization experiment that Einstein had proposed nearly
fifty years before (Talbot, 1991, p.52-53). Photon pairs were created by
heating calcium atoms with a laser, and then allowed to travel in
opposite directions. Aspect discovered that the polarization of one
photon immediately polarized the other--just as quantum theory had
predicted. The photons were somehow communicating with each other at
speeds exceeding the speed of light, or nonlocal connections existed
between the electrons, or the separateness of the particles themselves
was an illusion.

Bohm (1987) concluded that the implications of nonlocal connections are
that objective reality itself is entirely a construct of the human
brain. The true nature of reality remains hidden from us. Our brains
operate as a holographic frequency analyzer, decoding projections from a
more fundamental dimension. Bohm concludes that even space and time are
constructs of the human brain, and they may not exist as we perceive
them.

We normally perceive things as existing in the four dimensions of
space-time. Holographic theory, however, presumes that there is at least
a fifth dimension that represents a more fundamental aspect of reality.
Normally, we do not possess the sensory skills to perceive this
dimension, and it remains hidden from our awareness. The holographic
model of reality stresses the role of beat frequencies in our
construction of reality. Suppose the fifth dimension consists of
extremely high frequency energy far outside our range of normal
perception. When two or more wave fronts interact, a third frequency is
created that consists of the difference in frequencies between the two
waves. Since the beat frequency is all we can perceive, we construct
reality based on these illusory waves without any awareness of their
true source.

A problem with holographic theory is that we have little understanding
of why some energy fields appear as stationary matter, while others are
manifested as electromagnetic waves. Einstein spent the latter part of
his life looking for the unified theory that would link matter, energy,
and gravity. How does energy become matter and visa versa?

Bohm (1978) came to the conclusion that the black hole provides an
answer. The black hole is an area of collapsed matter where the density
and gravity become so great that nothing (not even light) can escape.
The escape velocity from a black hole is greater than the speed of light
itself. Within the black hole, space and time become distorted and merge
into a singularity. While we generally refer to black holes as an
astronomical phenomena, there is no reason to believe that these are the
only black holes. Stephen Hawking has demonstrated that mini black holes
are equally feasible (Milton, 1979).

Suppose that the center of every atom contained a mini black hole. Space
and time would merge into a singularity and would become
indistinguishable. This would explain how instantaneous travel is
possible below Plank's distance. It may be that the atom itself is a
wave form that has collapsed into a mini black hole. The apparent
solidity and permanence of matter may be the singularity of the black
hole. Matter itself may be gravitationally trapped light. (Toben, 1975)

One exciting prospect of quantum theory is the construct of zero-point
energy (Boyer, 1975). According to this theory, the fabric of space
itself contains enormous energy. "Zero-point" refers to the idea that
this energy exists even at a temperature of zero degrees Kelvin
(absolute zero). Quantum theory predicts this energy, and some
researchers have suggested that it may be possible to tap this energy.
Ilya Prigogine's work with dissipative systems led physicist Moray King
(1989) to believe that under certain conditions, nonlinear systems could
be induced into coherence. The two critical conditions are that the
system is far away from equilibrium, and dissipative (i.e., there is a
constant flow of energy through the system). King has suggested that
bucking magnetic fields through a caduceus coil may be one method to tap
this energy.

Holograms are not necessarily created by light, but can be formed in the
presence of any wave action. To view the brain as a hologram, we must
develop an understanding of the mechanisms that create an interference
pattern. The holographic process involves both a reflection and
reference beam. In the brain, past experience might serve as the
reference beam. New incoming information is combined with the
experiences (memories) of the past to create an interference pattern.
Almost immediately, the new information becomes part of the "reference
beam" and learning has occurred. As each new piece of information
arrives at the brain, a new interference pattern is created and again
becomes part of the reference background. A constantly shifting
interference pattern provides the mind with a continually changing model
of reality.

One of the most central themes of modern physics is to be able to
describe the mechanics of our perceived universe. In the 18th century,
Leibniz first maintained that space, time, matter, and energy were
merely intellectual constructs (Talbot, 1991, p. 291). Modern quantum
theory supports this proposition, where matter exists only as a
probability on a continuum. For example, when we attempt to observe an
electron, it becomes impossible to pinpoint its exact location. Bohm
remarked that "what appears to be a stable, tangible, visible, audible
world is an illusion. It is dynamic and kaleidoscopic--not really
there". Bentov (1982, p. 56) describes reality as a vast empty space
filled with oscillating fields.

If matter is a set of interacting fields, then we must make a
distinction between our perceived universe and the actual universe that
lies beyond our normal perception. Quantum theory states that when
individual particles move over distances less than Plank's distance
(10-33 cm), they can do so instantaneously. In order for this to be
possible, the particle must either be traveling at infinite velocity, or
the distance itself is but an illusion. Furthermore, it would seem
possible that a particle could make an infinite number of these tiny
jumps without time passage. If each change of location happens
instantaneously, then an infinite number of location changes can also
happen instantaneously. A particle could exist in all places
simultaneously.

The holographic model of the universe views matter as the constructive
and destructive interference patterns created by interacting energy
waves. Standing waves occur when a wavefront takes on a stationary
appearance. Energy continues to pass through the system, however,
because each successive wave takes exactly the same position of the one
before, there is an illusion of stability. Holograms depend on standing
waves for their existence.

Physicists have confirmed that atoms are in a constant state of
vibration. Each atom is a micro-oscillator with its own characteristic
frequency. When similar atoms begin to vibrate in unison they form a
"tuned resonant system", where all atoms are oscillating in phase with
each other. Furthermore, the system becomes increasingly stable as more
oscillators are added to the system, and it becomes increasingly
difficult to disturb. The situation is analogous to plucking a tuning
fork and observing how a second tuning fork begins to oscillate in phase
with the first. At the atomic level, harmonic resonance may be
responsible for stable particle behavior.

The atoms of our bodies are very high frequency oscillators that vibrate
at a rate of about 1015 Hertz. It is quite possible that our bodies
blink on and off at this frequency. We currently have no technology to
measure such rapid phenomena. (Unterseher, et al., 1982, p. 364)

Carl Jung's theory of the collective unconscious is compatible with
holographic

theory . Jung observed that certain dreams, myths, hallucinations and
religious symbols are shared by many people and cultures. According to
Jung, these archetypes represent part of the collective unconscious
derived from our two-million-year-old collective history (Jung and
Pauli, 1955). Only a limited glimpse of the implicate order is available
to us because we lack the knowledge to perceive or decode the frequency
interference patterns. Dreams may be one way that we counteract our
tendency to fragment the world. Bohm has noted that dreams often reflect
a hidden wisdom that exceeds our waking consciousness.

New York psychologist Edgar Levenson (1977) believes that the
psychoanalytic process is best represented by the holographic model. He
points out that the therapeutic process is "capricious and unreliable."
When therapy is going well, the therapist is not really saying anything
new to the patient, but rather, the therapist somehow resonates with
something that the patient already knows. "The change results as a
consequence of the expansion of configurational patterns over time."
(Ferguson, 1992) The patient's insights (or revelation) can be viewed as
a holographic process.

Synchronicities are coincidences that are so meaningful that it is
unlikely that they can be attributed to chance alone. Jung was the first
to perceive these events as more than simple coincidence. He proposed
that some unknown mechanism buried deep within the psyche was
responsible for these events, and that they were controlled by some kind
of acausal mechanism. Physicist Paul Davies (1988) agrees that
"non-local quantum effects are indeed a form of synchronicity in the
sense that they establish a connection--more precisely a
correlation--between events for which any form of causal linkage is
forbidden." (Talbot, 1991, p. 79)

Another physicist, F. David Peat (1987), believes that synchronicities
represent "flaws" in the fabric of reality. These fissures give us a
momentary connection to the underlying nature of the implicate order.
They demonstrate the possibility of connecting with the true nature of
the universe. Peat believes that the scarcity of synchronicity
demonstrates the degree to which we have cut ourselves off from the
deeper orders of mind and reality.

Pribram (1977) believes that our brains have learned to edit out many of
the frequency patterns in the implicate order, leaving only a selective
subset of information available to our conscious awareness. By
perceiving only a fraction of the information, we often believe that we
are observing chaos without any underlying pattern. It may be that
seemingly random phenomena only appear chaotic because we are have
filtered out a portion of the information necessary to discern the true
underlying pattern. Bohm asserts that there is no such thing as
disorder, only orders of infinitely higher degree. (Talbot, 1991)

Valerie Hunt, a professor of kinesiology at UCLA, became interested in
human energy fields (Miller, 1983). While using an electromyograph (EMG)
to measure muscle activity, she discovered that the energy radiating
from the body was far more complex than originally believed. The highest
frequency for muscle activity was believed to be around 250 Hertz. Hunt
found that there were also very low amplitude fields emanating from the
areas of the body associated with the chakras. These fields were of a
much higher frequency, often averaging as high as 1600 Hertz.
Furthermore, Hunt found that the frequency of these energy fields
depended upon the psychological state of the person. When a person's
consciousness was directed towards the material world, the fields were
near 250 Hertz. Psychic healers emanated fields in the 400 to 800 Hertz
range, and people who claim to channel information from a higher source
emanate frequencies in the 800 to 900 Hertz range. Hunt's most
extraordinary finding came when she used a Poincar?map to examine these
frequencies. Instead of randomness, she found a dynamic pattern typical
of a strange attractor (Talbot, 1991, p. 177).

Life itself may be based on a holographic system consisting of coherence
and interference. Order and patterns are the cornerstone of holography.
Evolution itself might not be based on the Darwinian concept of random
mutations, but rather, environmental stress and disequilibrium might
have given rise to higher orders of organization.

Many scientists now believe the brain and body operate on holographic
principles on the cellular, molecular, and neural levels. In Space-Time
and Beyond, Bob Toben (1975, p. 130) describes how DNA contains the
coding for orderly growth. "Nonlinearity in electrochemical reaction
pathways of biological processes provides feedback patterns that are
responsible for self-organization. On a deeper level, there may be
self-organizing biogravitational fields whose structure determines the
shape of biological molecules, cellular differentiation, and the overall
shape of living systems".

Dissipative structures may provide a clue to the nature of Bohm's
implicate order. Nobel prize winning chemist Ilya Prigogine (1980)
discovered that some chemical systems develop into a more ordered
arrangement, not a more disordered one. But how do these systems come
into being? How can anything just suddenly pop into existence?
Prigogine, like Bohm and Pribram, believes that dissipative structures
are evidence of a deeper, more fundamental aspect of reality. "The
increased limitation of deterministic laws means that we go from a
universe that is closed, in which all is given, to a new one that is
open to fluctuations, to innovations."

Prigogine's theory of dissipative structures applies to open systems
that exchange energy with the environment. As systems become
increasingly complex, they require more and more energy to maintain
their structure. Complex systems are highly unstable and this gives rise
to internal fluctuations within the system. A slight perturbation can
drive the system into a sudden nonlinear change, where the new stability
is even more coherent. This higher order is even more sensitive to
perturbations. Internal fluctuations can force the system to even
greater complexity. At each level of complexity, there is greater
potential for new organization and change.

Israeli researcher Aharon Katchalsky (1972) first learned of Prigogine's
work with dissipative structures in 1971. He organized a workshop at MIT
to discuss Prigogine's theory's and how the brain might be viewed as a
dissipative structure. The brain displays characteristics of
non-linearity, sudden shifts, oscillations, and self-organization... the
same features that Prigogine had discovered in chemical systems.

The key characteristic of Prigogine's (1977) findings was that
dissipative structures can shift into higher levels of organization when
perturbed. Society can be viewed as an open system exchanging energy
with the environment. Fluctuations can be created by a small group of
people, and this in turn has the potential to change society as a whole.
If the perturbations exceed society's ability to "dampen" the
fluctuations, then a new level of social order can evolve. As social
organization becomes increasingly complex, it becomes more likely that
small perturbations can lead to higher orders of complexity. Social
change and evolution will happen at an ever increasing pace.

Holographic theory helps social scientists to understand organizational
and social systems by stressing the wholeness of the systems. Individual
components of a system cannot be manipulated without affecting all other
components in the system. Prigogine's work with dissipative structures
has revealed a new way of looking at planned change, whereby the
conditions of self-organization and nonlinearity can be used
advantageously. It suggests that we might be able to solve many
organizational and social problems through the use of strategies that
apply these concepts.

Prigogine is currently working on a way to link deterministic processes
and probability theory. He now believes that it is not possible to know
with complete certainty the initial starting conditions for a system. If
this turns out to be true, then many of our current theories will need
revision. Science has been under the belief that the initial conditions
of deterministic processes are knowable, and therefore, in order to
predict the future of a system, all we need to do is discovery the laws
under which the system operates.

Many physicists have begun to describe the universe in words that
resemble Eastern philosophy. Bohm talks about the "dimension of
consciousness beyond the concrete world of our ordinary experience".
Capra discusses the "web of connectedness which cannot be described in
words". Beauregard quotes from ancient Indian scriptures about the
"illusionary nature of separateness". John Wheeler summarized the
holographic view of the universe when he said, "There may be no such
thing as the 'glittering central mechanism of the universe.'... Not
machinery but magic may be the better description of the treasure that
is waiting." (Toben, 1975)

References

Bentov, I. 1977. Stalking the Wild Pendulum: On the Mechanics of
Consciousness. New York: Bantam.

Bohm. D. 1978. "The enfolding-unfolding universe: A conversation with
David Bohm." ReVision Journal ed. K. Wilbur 1:24-51

Bohm, D. 1980. Wholeness and the Implicate Order. London: Routledge and
Kegan Paul.

Bohm, D. 1987. "Hidden variables and the implicate order." In Quantum
Implications, eds. B. Hiley and F. Peat. London: Routledge and Kegan
Paul.

Boyer, T. 1975. "Random electrodynamics: The theory of clasical
electrodynamics with classical electromanetic zero-point radiation."
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Davis, P. 1988. The Cosmic Blueprint. New York: Simon and Schuster.

DeValois, K., R. DeValois, and W. Yund 1979. "Responses of striate
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Einstein, A., B. Podolsky, N. Rosen. 1935. "Can quantum-mechanical
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Ferguson, M. 1992. Holography Collections. Los Angeles: New Sense
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King, M. 1989. Tapping the Zero-Point Energy. Provo, UT: Paraclete.
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Postby Winston » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:19 pm

Check out this documentary about the Holographic Universe. Apparently, mainstream physicists are now leaning toward the holographic model of the universe, because all the evidence and experiments and new discoveries are pointing in that direction. For an in-depth explanation, see part one of the film below.

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Postby ladislav » Tue Nov 06, 2012 3:56 pm

It is all well and good but it makes very little difference in one's daily life unless one has extraordinary mental powers to affect this hologram. The same goes for quantum physics. All well and good with the string theory and on a micro level but the question is- how do we use all this knowledge to improve our actual circumstances, avoid tragic events and to progress?
Oh, just heard the news that in Nepal a leopard ate 15 people, including kids. I am sure the families of the eaten people will be relieved that it was just a hologram...not!
All these theories are fine. But ask those theorists to put their finger under an office paper cutter and push down on the lever and tell them- "hey it is a hologram!"
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Postby Winston » Tue Nov 06, 2012 6:58 pm

ladislav wrote:It is all well and good but it makes very little difference in one's daily life unless one has extraordinary mental powers to affect this hologram. The same goes for quantum physics. All well and good with the string theory and on a micro level but the question is- how do we use all this knowledge to improve our actual circumstances, avoid tragic events and to progress?
Oh, just heard the news that in Nepal a leopard ate 15 people, including kids. I am sure the families of the eaten people will be relieved that it was just a hologram...not!
All these theories are fine. But ask those theorists to put their finger under an office paper cutter and push down on the lever and tell them- "hey it is a hologram!"


You must have missed my response to you on that in the other thread:

"OL great rant Ladislav. But you are missing the big picture. Yes bullets are real and will hurt you, because they and you are both in the same hologram. If you were a character in a video game, the bullets in the video game would hurt your character as well. But outside the video game, the bullets inside the game cannot hurt you. Likewise, if you were outside of the hologram of this universe, then bullets in it could not hurt you either. That's the point."
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Postby ladislav » Tue Nov 06, 2012 11:37 pm

Yes, I read it now. OK, but the people in those holograms are not alive- we are. Also, how does/can all this knowledge help us?
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Postby Winston » Wed Nov 07, 2012 9:36 am

ladislav wrote:Yes, I read it now. OK, but the people in those holograms are not alive- we are. Also, how does/can all this knowledge help us?


Well when computers get more sophisticated, you can program the characters in video games/simulations to think they're alive? lol

You gotta watch the documentary. Or maybe we are brains in vats, like in the Matrix movie? Or our souls are existing in this hologram?

It helps us in a number of ways. Watch the documentary. I guess it helps you to take life less seriously and realize that your thoughts have more control over your life than you think it does?
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Postby Ginger » Wed Nov 07, 2012 3:27 pm

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Postby ladislav » Thu Nov 08, 2012 2:29 pm

Computer simulations involve some kind of intelligent purpose- like it is a game or an airplane flight- why would these creatures from the future create such dull, dull dull simulations? Let's face it- most people live boring monotonous lives with nothing much happening in them. And then old age comes and we just fade away over some 30-40 years in total dullness.

And since no one can prove it is a simulation and it is just a theory, then it may not be one, after all.
And if the reality is not real, then what reality IS real and where is it?

None of those things change the fact that on a macro level everything is perfectly real. Therefore, just as there is someone who teaches that it is a computer simulation, I teach that it is not and thus:

I dare to declare one thing- I don't know about your life, but mine is not a simulation at all. And if you say it is- I say b-lls--t!!

But what I do believe in is that matter is basically just thick energy and if you concentrate hard enough, you can affect it 'somewhat' with your mind, but not much. It is much easier to affect it physically.
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Postby Cornfed » Sun Nov 11, 2012 4:52 am

ladislav wrote:Yes, I read it now. OK, but the people in those holograms are not alive- we are. Also, how does/can all this knowledge help us?

The problem with the current state of holographic universe/ fractal database generated universe theory is that it explains everything but excludes nothing and therefore lacks predictive power. What we need is more thinking about the implications of the theory and how it differs in practice from so-called common sense reality, so that we can make testable predictions and achieve useful stuff. I made a crude attempt at that in this post on another forum:

Bodybuilding and the nature of the Universe.

Getting back into the gym it occurs to me that how you saw the universe would influence what kind of program you did. For example, suppose you took the mechanistic view that training with weights breaks down muscle which for some reason regrows bigger and stronger than before. This would imply a "high intensity training" approach – isolate muscles and train them to failure using vairous high intensity techniques, as the muscles got bigger split your routine and extend the time between training each muscle group to allow the now-bigger muscles to recover. This is the traditional bodybuilding and ,until recently, powerlifting approach.

Suppose however you took the mystical view that the apparently solid universe is the projection of information stored in some fractal database interperated by conciousness. By acting as if we are a certain way we update this database which in turn projects our new image. This suggests a more "high frequency training" approach – update the database to register yourself as a stronger person by doing heavy compound exercises several times a week while working the whole body every workout. Do low reps not to failure so your body will recover. It is not necessary to account for a mechanism as to how this helps your muscles grow – the template in the database is for strong people to have bigger muscles so your body will just magically take on this shape. This is the traditional olympic lifting approach.

Personally, I'm leaning towards the latter view lately, and by doing the routine outlined I’ve made very good gains in just one month. It got me thinking about how this view could be applied to other things such as wealth accumulation where we often find ourselves relatively powerless within the mechanistic paradigm. It suggests the people going "Om, I will get rich" etc. are on to something, although their efforts are generally insufficient. If we got to hack the nature of the database the sky would be the limit.
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Postby Winston » Sun Nov 11, 2012 8:03 am

ladislav wrote:Computer simulations involve some kind of intelligent purpose- like it is a game or an airplane flight- why would these creatures from the future create such dull, dull dull simulations? Let's face it- most people live boring monotonous lives with nothing much happening in them. And then old age comes and we just fade away over some 30-40 years in total dullness.

And since no one can prove it is a simulation and it is just a theory, then it may not be one, after all.
And if the reality is not real, then what reality IS real and where is it?

None of those things change the fact that on a macro level everything is perfectly real. Therefore, just as there is someone who teaches that it is a computer simulation, I teach that it is not and thus:

I dare to declare one thing- I don't know about your life, but mine is not a simulation at all. And if you say it is- I say b-lls--t!!

But what I do believe in is that matter is basically just thick energy and if you concentrate hard enough, you can affect it 'somewhat' with your mind, but not much. It is much easier to affect it physically.


Ladislav, unless you've studied the latest findings in physics, you aren't qualified to say that the universe is not holographic. I bet you didn't even watch that documentary I posted. You can't make a judgment on something you didn't research.

No one knows who created our reality. It is not just a theory. It is proven that the universe is holographic in nature, or at least has many properties of a hologram. If you watched the documentary, you would know that. But you didn't. You didn't examine the evidence. You just made snap judgments.

Even mainstream physicists featured on the BBC have admitted that every new discovery points to the holographic model of the universe, and so it is very likely to be true. Everything is pointing to it now.

For example, in that Holographic Universe documentary I posted, if you watch part one and two, you will see that the double slit experiment demonstrates this, as well as Dean Radin's precognition experiments, which are repeatable and provable. The double slit experiment proves that atoms and electrons behave very differently when not observed. They become a field of all possibility rather than localized. Google "double slit experiment" to learn more.

This means that yes, a computer simulation of our universe is possible as well. Someone did find a computer code within the strings that make up atoms, remember?

The only question now is where and how conscious comes from.

Why do you think there's never world peace, even though it's possible if everyone just comprised and made peaceful negotiations? It seems that whoever runs our simulation doesn't want world peace or thinks its too boring. Yes life is boring for most people, but maybe the people running our simulation don't care about individual lives. They only care about world events on the grand scale. That's why there is never any peace and so many disasters.

This would also explain why "God" allowed evil and suffering to happen, which is a question theologians have never been able to really answer satisfactorily. Those who run our simulation would be bored or it wouldn't suit their purpose in running this simulation, if everything were peaceful and happy. So they constantly create havoc to keep us on our toes. They want us to struggle and so try to make life stressful and challenging. Perhaps that's part of their game plan?
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Postby gsjackson » Mon Nov 12, 2012 1:49 am

Cornfed wrote:
ladislav wrote:Yes, I read it now. OK, but the people in those holograms are not alive- we are. Also, how does/can all this knowledge help us?

The problem with the current state of holographic universe/ fractal database generated universe theory is that it explains everything but excludes nothing and therefore lacks predictive power. What we need is more thinking about the implications of the theory and how it differs in practice from so-called common sense reality, so that we can make testable predictions and achieve useful stuff. I made a crude attempt at that in this post on another forum:

Bodybuilding and the nature of the Universe.

Getting back into the gym it occurs to me that how you saw the universe would influence what kind of program you did. For example, suppose you took the mechanistic view that training with weights breaks down muscle which for some reason regrows bigger and stronger than before. This would imply a "high intensity training" approach – isolate muscles and train them to failure using vairous high intensity techniques, as the muscles got bigger split your routine and extend the time between training each muscle group to allow the now-bigger muscles to recover. This is the traditional bodybuilding and ,until recently, powerlifting approach.

Suppose however you took the mystical view that the apparently solid universe is the projection of information stored in some fractal database interperated by conciousness. By acting as if we are a certain way we update this database which in turn projects our new image. This suggests a more "high frequency training" approach – update the database to register yourself as a stronger person by doing heavy compound exercises several times a week while working the whole body every workout. Do low reps not to failure so your body will recover. It is not necessary to account for a mechanism as to how this helps your muscles grow – the template in the database is for strong people to have bigger muscles so your body will just magically take on this shape. This is the traditional olympic lifting approach.

Personally, I'm leaning towards the latter view lately, and by doing the routine outlined I’ve made very good gains in just one month. It got me thinking about how this view could be applied to other things such as wealth accumulation where we often find ourselves relatively powerless within the mechanistic paradigm. It suggests the people going "Om, I will get rich" etc. are on to something, although their efforts are generally insufficient. If we got to hack the nature of the database the sky would be the limit.


Very interesting. I'll give it a try. When you get to be an old lifter, however, plagued with shoulder tendonitis, etc., etc., keep in mind the old dynamic tension exercises from the physical culturists of a century ago. I've been doing some lately, along with lifting, and they've worked wonders.
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Postby lavezzi » Fri Nov 30, 2012 3:21 pm

speculating on these matters will not serve you in any meaningful way. there is a simpler yet much more pressing matter which needs to be realized:

every time you focus your attention on something, you perceive both the physical form of it and a mental perception of it. the physical form is 100% objective with an (apparently) inherent basis. the mental perception is 100% subjective with no inherent basis whatsoever, only relative to your memory i.e. it is an illusion.

this is not complex physics, its a simple concept anyone reading this can understand, yet it is the most transformative message in existence. it only has limited intellectual power (as do all concepts), its real power lies in its potential to be realized internally which will bring about a dramatic energetic shift. if you truly understand its implications even conceptually, you should be on some level willing to let go, stop intending, aspiring and trying to control. drop all mental aspects of your experience and be with what truly is, completely undifferentiated existence. if you give regard to any mental aspects, past that which is needed to sustain survival and essential well being*, you are living an illusiory life based on subjective perception; this is a life based on emotionalism, nothing more. the simplest thing you can do is to at every moment stop making your happiness conditional. no one or thing we know of has ever had more or anything better than you do in this very moment, everything else is pure delusion of the mind. know this and you will be free.

*essential well being is being healthy and abstaining from phisiological pain, not having access to vagina/s.
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Postby Ghost » Thu Dec 06, 2012 7:28 am

I have thought often about what the religious implications could be - I say 'could' because how does one know for sure?

It could mean that we are in a hologram or simulation made by God, and that this is a moral test of sorts.

I have this notion that it could be a simulation of the Oneness (i.e. God) wanting to know what it is like to be separate from itself. Hell is described as separation from God; Heaven is described as being with God.

Reincarnation could fit too, in that it would mean that the consciousness does not or cannot die and returns to learn a moral lesson and to relearn unity of all things.

I am more of a literary type than a scientific type. So for those like me, consider this: This, the universe, is essentially a story. Human life is a story. One element that is always present in stories is conflict. Without it, there is no story to tell. And in this way, it suggests a possible reason for there being good and evil: it creates conflict and makes a good story.

Is it possible that the universe and earth are stories that God is writing?

And I am not suggesting that God is being flippant and entertaining Himself by making babies die and creating suffering.

Stories have morals, do they not? Could this be what the universe is about?
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Postby Winston » Fri Dec 07, 2012 3:25 pm

Check out this documentary by Martin Rees called "Are we real?":

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oyH2D4-tzfM[/youtube]
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