Is Our Earth FLAT and Motionless, Not a Spinning Globe?

[Winston]

If you think about it these astro-nots are really evil because they are willfully deceiving. Why do they do it? The love of money is the root of all evil. They get great careers, salaries probably nice families plus they are under the threat of death if they talk.

Going along with such a deception in theory makes a person a reprobate.

What are such people doing? They are deceiving the nations. Who is the god of this world who deceives the nations? Satan. So anyone working to deceive the nations is really working for Satan, making those people Satanic workers of iniquity and deception.

It's quite clear once you see what's going on.

You're literally insane. Like, not just saying that, you're madly delusional.

See, this is why I'd rather have a computer diagnose an illness than anyone with an M.D. after his name. Just plug in the symptoms and have the machine match them up with instances of actual, physically manifested diseases. No opinions, no biases, no failed machine model of human functioning, no fealty to Big Pharma, no bullshit dime store psychology like this -- so long as they aren't built into the sofftware. Put me on the computer and let those characters stay in their offices with their thumbs up their asses. This one's avatar namesake, House, the master diagnostician, is strictly TV fiction. The only thing they analyze anymore is what tests to run to cover their butts against malpractice suits.

A computer would just as soon diagnose him with mental illness. He's literally the word-for-word definition of delusional. Even a computer of today's intelligence could analyze his statements and tell you that.

How is adama mentally ill? He seems very literate and his thoughts are well organized and intelligent. Just because hes a religious fanatic doesn't mean hes mentally ill. Hes no different than billy graham or kent hovind or cs lewis or lee strobel or any other christian fanatic. Hes merely brainwashed by his religious faith, which is common in humanity. People take religion too far. Nothing abnormal about that. Happens a lot. Thats what happens when beliefs hijack reason.

It happens to atheists and evolutionists too when they attack everything that challenges their beliefs. Everyone has beliefs but most do not question them. That's human nature. Only a true freethinker can overcome it.

As to delusional maybe. But who isnt these days? Especially Americans. Everyone holds false beliefs. Are you saying you dont? What do you believe in? Lol.

[gsjackson]

Re the diagnosis of mental illness: if it were possible to conjure up an unbiased yet competent diagnostician, how would he evaluate someone who knows beyond all doubt that he lives on a tilted ball spinning around on its axis at 1,000 mph while revolving at 67,000 mph (all completely imperceptible to him) around another ball 93 million miles away, which is itself traveling even faster? Meanwhile, tens of thousands of little flying objects (satellites) circle the residence ball, never colliding with each other or falling failed to earth. They are joined by a manned space station travelling 17,000 mph -- nine football fields in a second -- which sometimes parks itself so those inside can get out and float around (unless they also are traveling along at 17,000 mph). The subject claims (knows) that he can see bodies in the sky that are trillions of miles away.

He knows all this with dead certainty because someone he doesn't know wrote it in a book, and other unknown parties said they agreed and began calling themselves "settled science." If he doesn't display and confirm this "knowledge," he will be reviled and rejected in his social circle. Diagnosis please?

I bought a book recently titled Calculating the Cosmos to familiarize myself more with the official story. It really makes no attempt to persuade. The propagators of the tale just made conjecture upon conjecture, and jerry-built in some math that is the only proof offered for these absurd-on-their-face speculations that clearly are nothing but science fiction. I do think at the highest levels of "settled science" the game is a massive public mind-f*ck -- like when they put an outline of the face of the cartoon dog Pluto on a supposed photograph of the planet Pluto.

[Adama]

How is adama mentally ill? He seems very literate and his thoughts are well organized and intelligent. Just because hes a religious fanatic doesn't mean hes mentally ill. Hes no different than billy graham or kent hovind or cs lewis or lee strobel or any other christian fanatic. Hes merely brainwashed by his religious faith, which is common in humanity. People take religion too far. Nothing abnormal about that. Happens a lot. Thats what happens when beliefs hijack reason.

At first I thought to myself, "Winston's words warm my heart." Then I got to end and started laughing.

I like Kent Hovind. Even though he is a creationist, can you believe he doesn't believe the flat earth, even the its properties are all over the Bible?

[Adama]

Re the diagnosis of mental illness: if it were possible to conjure up an unbiased yet competent diagnostician, how would he evaluate someone who knows beyond all doubt that he lives on a tilted ball spinning around on its axis at 1,000 mph while revolving at 67,000 mph (all completely imperceptible to him) around another ball 93 million miles away, which is itself traveling even faster? Meanwhile, tens of thousands of little flying objects (satellites) circle the residence ball, never colliding with each other or falling failed to earth. They are joined by a manned space station travelling 17,000 mph -- nine football fields in a second -- which sometimes parks itself so those inside can get out and float around (unless they also are traveling along at 17,000 mph). The subject claims (knows) that he can see bodies in the sky that are trillions of miles away.

He knows all this with dead certainty because someone he doesn't know wrote it in a book, and other unknown parties said they agreed and began calling themselves "settled science." If he doesn't display and confirm this "knowledge," he will be reviled and rejected in his social circle. Diagnosis please?

I bought a book recently titled Calculating the Cosmos to familiarize myself more with the official story. It really makes no attempt to persuade. The propagators of the tale just made conjecture upon conjecture, and jerry-built in some math that is the only proof offered for these absurd-on-their-face speculations that clearly are nothing but science fiction. I do think at the highest levels of "settled science" the game is a massive public mind-f*ck -- like when they put an outline of the face of the cartoon dog Pluto on a supposed photograph of the planet Pluto.

Brainwashing. Indoctrination. Massive deception. Fraud. Conspiracy. Witchcraft. Sorcery. Theft.

All of the stories are completely comical, once you wake up to how childish they are.

I was thinking. All they needed was to get rid of God. Then they could "liberate" society with communism, feminism, and the rest of their evils. Because God has established a natural order. They needed to remove God so that they could remove order. Thereby they can introduce destruction to uplift themselves by evil.

Evolution and the Big bang have pretty much removed the thought of God far away from most people. God has become more abstract and the lies of science (and they are packed full of lies) have become the real religion (or one of them). This liberates society to choose lawlessness, and it has thereby helped them destroy the family.

[HouseMD]

There are numerous exercise harnesses and such on the ISS which astronauts use to secure themselves to exercise equipment.

No one has "come out" about it because it's real. I mean, come on. There's plenty of fascinating videos filmed there, literally hundreds over the years, and they do certain things that simply cannot be replicated outside of zero gravity, such as fluid dynamics and the way female astronaut's hair moves.

I don't understand. How exactly is that guy on wires using exercising equipment? Why is he on wires? Why doesnt he float around without wires if hes in space?

And if this is a practice interview then why dont the two in front say so and say they're on earth training? It doesnt make sense.

You gotta admit you dont know if that ISS thing is for real. You've never been there so you're taking it all on faith simply because you're an establishment defender and trust that the powers that be are honest and dont lie.

I posted a full hour long tour of the ISS. There are no special effects that have ever been used that can recreate some of the things done in that video and on others, and it shows a 360 degree view of many compartments that would be impossible to film with wires and rigging as there is no place for them to be. As to your video, I didn't listen to the audio so I really didn't know what was being said.

As to "just a defender of the establishment," as I said, in college I used a camera and telescope to take a picture of the ISS as part of a project in Astrophysics. I have seen it with my own equipment, the thing exists, period.

Youre not a hollywood cgi expert. How do you know what they can reproduce and what they cant? I think you underestimate them. Have you seen that movie with jodie foster out in space from 2013? They creates a space station and made it look very real.

Wires can be edited out easily. Some of the videos above show that. I can use camera tricks to make you look like youre somewhere else too by changing the background using a green room or blue screen. Do you know anything about filmmaking?

See kubricks odyssey by jay weidner.

So you took a photo of the ISS when it passed in front of the moon or sky? Its just a silouette right? How do you know that its real?

And why do you trust NASA? Can you explain? They are proven liars and murderers and its well proven amd established that the moon landing was hoaxed.

If youre not an establishment defender, then can you name some government lies and hoaxes that the government has not admitted to yet? Michael shermer and bill nye and lawrence krauss cannot name any. Because they are paid to defend the establishment even if they know they are lying. Wikipedia cannot either and claims the only proven conspiracies are the ones it has confessed to, otherwise they are merely "theories" with no evidence, which is untrue of course, but wikipedia is clearly an establishment defender too.

If you are not then can you do what they cant, and name some government lies that they refuse to confess to publicly? This is a litmus test which michael shermer and his pseudoskeptics failed. Because to them authority always equals truth. Is that your belief too?

Winston, this isn't worth discussing with you. I don't care about changing the opinion of your little echo chamber, it's a bunch of borderline crazy people reinforcing each others' ideas, and literally no amount of talking to you or evidence will fix that, as research has shown people who hold strong confirmation bias are basically immune to factual evidence or logic regardless of their belief system.

I've got a lot of problems with the establishment, but they're about real issues and not your nonsense. The government does a lot of shady and illegal things in a lot of areas, but you make the logical fallacy of assuming that everything all parts of the government do are shady and illegal. The Earth isn't flat, it's a bull**** idea believed only by people of the lowest intelligence, which has been known to be false by people using technology from literally thousands of years ago, and that's just how it is.

[HouseMD]

Re the diagnosis of mental illness: if it were possible to conjure up an unbiased yet competent diagnostician, how would he evaluate someone who knows beyond all doubt that he lives on a tilted ball spinning around on its axis at 1,000 mph while revolving at 67,000 mph (all completely imperceptible to him) around another ball 93 million miles away, which is itself traveling even faster? Meanwhile, tens of thousands of little flying objects (satellites) circle the residence ball, never colliding with each other or falling failed to earth. They are joined by a manned space station travelling 17,000 mph -- nine football fields in a second -- which sometimes parks itself so those inside can get out and float around (unless they also are traveling along at 17,000 mph). The subject claims (knows) that he can see bodies in the sky that are trillions of miles away.

He knows all this with dead certainty because someone he doesn't know wrote it in a book, and other unknown parties said they agreed and began calling themselves "settled science." If he doesn't display and confirm this "knowledge," he will be reviled and rejected in his social circle. Diagnosis please?

I bought a book recently titled Calculating the Cosmos to familiarize myself more with the official story. It really makes no attempt to persuade. The propagators of the tale just made conjecture upon conjecture, and jerry-built in some math that is the only proof offered for these absurd-on-their-face speculations that clearly are nothing but science fiction. I do think at the highest levels of "settled science" the game is a massive public mind-f*ck -- like when they put an outline of the face of the cartoon dog Pluto on a supposed photograph of the planet Pluto.

Congratulations, you're not smart enough to understand math. Good for you. I would truly be shocked if you're IQ clocked in the three digits.

[gsjackson]

Re the diagnosis of mental illness: if it were possible to conjure up an unbiased yet competent diagnostician, how would he evaluate someone who knows beyond all doubt that he lives on a tilted ball spinning around on its axis at 1,000 mph while revolving at 67,000 mph (all completely imperceptible to him) around another ball 93 million miles away, which is itself traveling even faster? Meanwhile, tens of thousands of little flying objects (satellites) circle the residence ball, never colliding with each other or falling failed to earth. They are joined by a manned space station travelling 17,000 mph -- nine football fields in a second -- which sometimes parks itself so those inside can get out and float around (unless they also are traveling along at 17,000 mph). The subject claims (knows) that he can see bodies in the sky that are trillions of miles away.

He knows all this with dead certainty because someone he doesn't know wrote it in a book, and other unknown parties said they agreed and began calling themselves "settled science." If he doesn't display and confirm this "knowledge," he will be reviled and rejected in his social circle. Diagnosis please?

I bought a book recently titled Calculating the Cosmos to familiarize myself more with the official story. It really makes no attempt to persuade. The propagators of the tale just made conjecture upon conjecture, and jerry-built in some math that is the only proof offered for these absurd-on-their-face speculations that clearly are nothing but science fiction. I do think at the highest levels of "settled science" the game is a massive public mind-f*ck -- like when they put an outline of the face of the cartoon dog Pluto on a supposed photograph of the planet Pluto.

Congratulations, you're not smart enough to understand math. Good for you. I would truly be shocked if you're IQ clocked in the three digits.

Your comments are unusually lame, aren't they? Not even really up to grammar school standards. Since words and the ideas they construct form a substantial part of our defenses against the slings and arrows of fortune, I get now your suicidal tendencies. Life throws you a curve ball and you just drop the bat.

Since logical argumentation and the penetrating rejoinder are clearly not in your skill set, it's a good thing you went to med school rather than law school, which I got into with an LSAT score in the 98th percentile. I'm a member of Mensa, have a PhD in addition to the law degree, Duke undergrad. But I'm not wedded to my academic background, or any notions about my own intelligence, and would happily unlearn every word involved in those degrees if that's where the evidence and logic and inspiration took me. I admit I don't know squat. You can remain impervious to new knowledge and vested in your meaningless universe, but please don't keep a gun around the house.

Don't even try to reply, you just embarrass yourself. It's obvious any new and compelling point of view that threatens your smug little perch of superiority in the professional firmament sends you spiraling out of control. Can't even remember the difference between your and you're.

[HouseMD]

Re the diagnosis of mental illness: if it were possible to conjure up an unbiased yet competent diagnostician, how would he evaluate someone who knows beyond all doubt that he lives on a tilted ball spinning around on its axis at 1,000 mph while revolving at 67,000 mph (all completely imperceptible to him) around another ball 93 million miles away, which is itself traveling even faster? Meanwhile, tens of thousands of little flying objects (satellites) circle the residence ball, never colliding with each other or falling failed to earth. They are joined by a manned space station travelling 17,000 mph -- nine football fields in a second -- which sometimes parks itself so those inside can get out and float around (unless they also are traveling along at 17,000 mph). The subject claims (knows) that he can see bodies in the sky that are trillions of miles away.

He knows all this with dead certainty because someone he doesn't know wrote it in a book, and other unknown parties said they agreed and began calling themselves "settled science." If he doesn't display and confirm this "knowledge," he will be reviled and rejected in his social circle. Diagnosis please?

I bought a book recently titled Calculating the Cosmos to familiarize myself more with the official story. It really makes no attempt to persuade. The propagators of the tale just made conjecture upon conjecture, and jerry-built in some math that is the only proof offered for these absurd-on-their-face speculations that clearly are nothing but science fiction. I do think at the highest levels of "settled science" the game is a massive public mind-f*ck -- like when they put an outline of the face of the cartoon dog Pluto on a supposed photograph of the planet Pluto.

Congratulations, you're not smart enough to understand math. Good for you. I would truly be shocked if you're IQ clocked in the three digits.

Your comments are unusually lame, aren't they? Not even really up to grammar school standards. Since words and the ideas they construct form a substantial part of our defenses against the slings and arrows of fortune, I get now your suicidal tendencies. Life throws you a curve ball and you just drop the bat.

Since logical argumentation and the penetrating rejoinder are clearly not in your skill set, it's a good thing you went to med school rather than law school, which I got into with an LSAT score in the 98th percentile. I'm a member of Mensa, have a PhD in addition to the law degree, Duke undergrad. But I'm not wedded to my academic background, or any notions about my own intelligence, and would happily unlearn every word involved in those degrees if that's where the evidence and logic and inspiration took me. I admit I don't know squat. You can remain impervious to new knowledge and vested in your meaningless universe, but please don't keep a gun around the house.

Don't even try to reply, you just embarrass yourself. It's obvious any new and compelling point of view that threatens your smug little perch of superiority in the professional firmament sends you spiraling out of control. Can't even remember the difference between your and you're.

I remain impervious to stupidity, not new knowledge. The people in this thread are no different from savages that believe science is witchcraft because it is something they do not understand. You're people with primitive minds living in modern times and unable to cope with the complexity of the world around you. It saddens me to see, truly.

Now, as to why I know so much about NASA and their projects: my grandfather was a NASA engineer, and I got to see some cool **** as a kid. I understand a lot of this stuff because I was inspired to pursue it as a hint both in college and recreational. I actually originally thought I might go into aerospace medicine, but unfortunately there aren't a lot of positions outside of the military that don't involve just doing checkups for pilots, and I'm not willing to sign my life away to the whims of voters. But hey, with SpaceX there might be a future for me working in civilian aerospace after all.

[HouseMD]

And while it may be true that you were once a man of some intelligence, it seems that either your intellectual or logical faculties have suffered some significant deterioration over the years. Your mind is so open it appears that your brain has fallen out.

[gsjackson]

Don't you see that every time you weigh in with either personal insults or appeals to established authority ("all intelligent people know....") without any substantive arguments you just discredit the position you're taking? It reinforces the idea that the people who defend the establishment position are unable to think through ideas, only memorize and regurgitate them. Go on youtube and check some flat earth videos -- all 99 percent of the opposition has got is name calling.

I wouldn't worry about NASA's budget being subject to the whims of voters. They are plugged in at the power center and their hundreds of billions are a sure thing. God knows what they do with the money.

[HouseMD]

Don't you see that every time you weigh in with either personal insults or appeals to established authority ("all intelligent people know....") without any substantive arguments you just discredit the position you're taking? It reinforces the idea that the people who defend the establishment position are unable to think through ideas, only memorize and regurgitate them. Go on youtube and check some flat earth videos -- all 99 percent of the opposition has got is name calling.

I wouldn't worry about NASA's budget being subject to the whims of voters. They are plugged in at the power center and their hundreds of billions are a sure thing. God knows what they do with the money.

The entirety of NASA's budget is 18.4 billion dollars per year. The Department of Defense has literally lost more money in the last 20 years than NASA has had in its entire history. As to "appeals to authority" I'm telling you that there are experiments you can do yourself to prove all of these things. I have done many of them myself. You're the one who would rather appeal to the authority of uneducated conspiracy theorists than actually, you know, get a job in Antarctica, fly to the edge of space, or spend a few hundred dollars making a camera setup that can take a picture of the ISS. Hell, you could even do the most simple of experiments, getting sticks of equal height and measuring their shadows at the same time of day at differing points from the equator. It. Isn't. Hard.

[OutWest]

And while it may be true that you were once a man of some intelligence, it seems that either your intellectual or logical faculties have suffered some significant deterioration over the years. Your mind is so open it appears that your brain has fallen out.

Are all flat earthers lazy asses? It is not that hard to go to Antarctica and document it as a vast 100,000 mile long sea wall if that was the case.
When does the expedition leave? Maybe it is that if flat earthers made actual inquiry on the ground about their claims, that would make them scientific researchers, and all of science is a fraud, right? So to maintain their purity, flat earthers stay way from those tainted scientist and all their methodologies, like on the ground inquiry and documentation. Of course, it may be that flat earthers are unable to get to the extreme south as if you use a flat earth type map, as soon as you get south of the equator, your navigation quickly goes to hell.

PS, Note to MD: That space station project you did, well, I confess. I faked you out. Just as you were set to get your shots, I used my medieval catapult to launch on old lawn mower with three trash cans attached with chains across your camera view! Gotcha! If you had really studies your pics, you would have seen that Briggs and Stratton logo!

I would also hope that you can soon come clean on this science fakery as a Doctor! Cells do not exist! Have you eve seen one? Are you to tell me that a human body is some trillions cells all coordinated and working together like magic? Only a moron would believe such poppycock. Cell theory is part of the same scientific complex that brought us that round earth hoax! Flea ! Flea!

[gsjackson]

Look, all of this stuff is addressed in the flat earth videos. The two sticks and the rest of it. There are hundreds of persuasive arguments for flat earth on there, a very small handful for the globe. You're just not familiar with the discussion you're dismissing. You're being outgunned -- by a large margin. For anyone who can get his mind around NASA and the other countries' space agencies being fraudulent organizations and faking all pictures of the globe earth, it just becomes no contest. The rest of the evidence overwhelmingly points to a flat, motionless earth around which the sun and moon revolve.

And speaking of the "pictures" of earth, most of which NASA admits are photo shopped, they keep producing perfectly round spheres. Aren't they aware that chief apologist Neil DeGrasse Tyson is now describing the earth as "an oblate spheroid" and "pear-shaped?"

Get a job in Antarctica -- lol. You think you can do that, and do you think you'd be allowed to explore on your own? Maybe they would hire a doctor, but if they let you go exploring the outer reaches unsupervised, please get back to us.

[gsjackson]

And while it may be true that you were once a man of some intelligence, it seems that either your intellectual or logical faculties have suffered some significant deterioration over the years. Your mind is so open it appears that your brain has fallen out.

Are all flat earthers lazy asses? It is not that hard to go to Antarctica and document it as a vast 100,000 mile long sea wall if that was the case.
When does the expedition leave? Maybe it is that if flat earthers made actual inquiry on the ground about their claims, that would make them scientific researchers, and all of science is a fraud, right? So to maintain their purity, flat earthers stay way from those tainted scientist and all their methodologies, like on the ground inquiry and documentation. Of course, it may be that flat earthers are unable to get to the extreme south as if you use a flat earth type map, as soon as you get south of the equator, your navigation quickly goes to hell.

PS, Note to MD: That space station project you did, well, I confess. I faked you out. Just as you were set to get your shots, I used my medieval catapult to launch on old lawn mower with three trash cans attached with chains across your camera view! Gotcha! If you had really studies your pics, you would have seen that Briggs and Stratton logo!

I would also hope that you can soon come clean on this science fakery as a Doctor! Cells do not exist! Have you eve seen one? Are you to tell me that a human body is some trillions cells all coordinated and working together like magic? Only a moron would believe such poppycock. Cell theory is part of the same scientific complex that brought us that round earth hoax! Flea ! Flea!

We've gone over this before in this same thread, and as I said I've read the relevant treaty. You need special permission from the U.S. government to go to Antarctica, otherwise you will be turned back. Let me know when you've gotten that permission to go exploring on your own.

[OutWest]

Look, all of this stuff is addressed in the flat earth videos. The two sticks and the rest of it. There are hundreds of persuasive arguments for flat earth on there, a very small handful for the globe. You're just not familiar with the discussion you're dismissing. You're being outgunned -- by a large margin. For anyone who can get his mind around NASA and the other countries' space agencies being fraudulent organizations and faking all pictures of the globe earth, it just becomes no contest. The rest of the evidence overwhelmingly points to a flat, motionless earth around which the sun and moon revolve.

And speaking of the "pictures" of earth, most of which NASA admits are photo shopped, they keep producing perfectly round spheres. Aren't they aware that chief apologist Neil DeGrasse Tyson is now describing the earth as "an oblate spheroid" and "pear-shaped?"

Get a job in Antarctica -- lol. You think you can do that, and do you think you'd be allowed to explore on your own? Maybe they would hire a doctor, but if they let you go exploring the outer reaches unsupervised, please get back to us.

I do not have the inclination to delve over hundreds of slices of baloney, but I would welcome some compilation of a "Top ten" proofs of a flat earth so that I can focus on dispatching those. What I have read so far has people who are not even literate in basic scientific terminology, mathematics or Physics enough to have a conversation.

And YES, you can explore Antarctica on your own, providing you have a viable rescue plan in place if things go wrong. The "Pear shaped" earth references are referring to differences within exact measurements of the shape of the SPHERE, that are not perceptible on models but are there never-the-less. If you take an exact measurement of a basketball, it is likely not a perfect sphere at all, but it is certainly not shaped like a pizza.

Send me the real meat of it, so far all i have seen is cheap baloney!
And yes, you CAN explore Antarctica.

https://www.quarkexpeditions.com/en/antarctic