Re: Could the Earth be FLAT and Motionless, Not A Spinning Globe?
It's more like the universe is just infinite making the idea of an outside not apply.
So....Do you believe the earth is flat or not?
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The point is that the particular objection you raised about the earth needing to rest on something in flat earth theory is an equally valid objection to the universe needing to rest on something in mainstream theory, so there is no reason to pick between one or the other on those grounds.Aron wrote: ↑July 12th, 2018, 10:56 pmSo unless I have a perfect explanation of the entirety of spacetime and its mechanics then flat earth is equally valid as an explanation....You have to realize that's a strawman and that you're avoiding so many points i made in my earlier post about flat earth not logically computing.
It's not equal. Gravity explains why matter in the universe doesn't need to 'rest on' anything. It doesn't explain the entirety of the space time continuum's mechanics but it doesn't need to.Cornfed wrote: ↑July 12th, 2018, 11:24 pmThe point is that the particular objection you raised about the earth needing to rest on something in flat earth theory is an equally valid objection to the universe needing to rest on something in mainstream theory, so there is no reason to pick between one or the other on those grounds.Aron wrote: ↑July 12th, 2018, 10:56 pmSo unless I have a perfect explanation of the entirety of spacetime and its mechanics then flat earth is equally valid as an explanation....You have to realize that's a strawman and that you're avoiding so many points i made in my earlier post about flat earth not logically computing.
If the universe doesn’t need to rest on anything then neither does the flat earth. However, using a some hypothetical such as gravity isn’t a satisfactory explanation. It would be like saying that some god with magical powers makes things happen. Sure that explains things, but you could dream up lots of fantastical explanations. What are you proposing as a mechanism for gravity? How are things supposed to be pulled towards each other?
Well most flat earthers say gravity doesn't exist. And gravity in general contradicts flat earth, if it existed, all mass of the flat earth would pull on the other mass of the flat earth, and probably reshape it into a spheroid. The Dome would also just collapse instantly since engineering something that big with no structural supports doesn't really work, but that's a different topic.Winston wrote: ↑July 14th, 2018, 3:21 pmFirst of all, the theory of gravity does not disprove flat earth. Flat earth is probably wrong for other reasons, but not because it's not compatible with the theory of gravity. You gotta understand that we only have a formula for gravity. But formulas are not proof of anything. No one can capture a graviton or prove its existence. You can't prove in a lab that a massive object, like a big rock, automatically creates a tractor beam like force that attracts smaller objects to stick onto it. That cannot be proven in a lab. It's theory. Tesla and the electric universe theory says that gravity works more like electricity than as a mysterious force of its own.
Well the thing about the earth spinning is that this includes everything on the earth, even the atmosphere as well as all the other matter. It's all moving at the same relative speed. If the physical earth suddenly sped up 100x then an extinction level event would happen like you just imagined, but that's not going to happen. Never heard of that quote from einstein so i don't know what your source is. I guess I'll watch that documentary if i have enough time.If the Earth is spinning then why doesn't centrifugal force throw everything outward, like a spinning wheel would propel those on it outward, not inward?
Did you know that Einstein admitted that there's no way to prove the Earth is moving at all? It's pure theory and philosophy, based on Galileo's theory that smaller objects revolve around larger ones. See the new film The Principle about this.
Well i get that you believe it's supposed to have a second meaning of a serpent tongue. But the point is that it can be viably explained as not a conspiracy here. And even if for some reason it was a serpent tongue that wouldn't prove the earth to be flat.Dude, one symbol does not have one meaning. You are thinking too superficially and literally. Symbols have multiple meanings. There are meanings for the outer masses and for the inner initiated. Freemasonry is like that too. The G in Freemasonry means different things depending on who you are and what level you are in the fraternity. Religions also have an exoteric form and an esoteric version. The exoteric form is for the masses, but the esoteric version is for the inner circle of initiates. Reality is multi-dimensional, not simple as you think.
The serpent tongue on the NASA logo could mean whatever they tell you, or it could be a serpent tongue too, it can mean both. The Shell logo for Shell gas station also looks like a shell. But if you are a sun worshipper, you know that it also stands for the rising sun on the horizon. Just like the Japanese flag. Many corporate logos show a rising sun. And church symbols show it too. Because the elite are Masonic sun worshippers. So the sun symbol is everywhere.
It makes sense that gravity would keep the atmosphere around earth just as much as it would hold people on the ground. Just because air is light weight doesn't mean it's not affected by gravity.
So gravity is what keeps the air in Earth's atmosphere and prevents it floating off into space? lol.
The ISS live stream only shows that Earth has a curvature. It doesn't show the whole Earth. Don't you find it odd that the Apollo missions, of which there are six, only took ONE photo of the Earth? They should have taken thousands.
Yeah there are none. Can you find an image of Earth upside down or sideways by NASA? lol
The Antarctic flights do not fly all the way across Antarctica. They do not specify what part of Antarctica they fly over. It could just be a tiny portion of it. It's not clear from their website. Why don't you email them and ask?
So gravity keeps the astronauts in space moving at 67,000 mph along with the Earth? lol
Do you know what an ad hoc explanation is? It's something you make up to explain something you can't explain, such as dark matter, dark energy, black holes, multiple universe theory, etc. Why does science believe in all that but claims that God cannot be responsible for anything? lol
Who knows? It's not like i've researched the science in detail and become an astronomer or astrophysicist. But whether it's exactly 93 million miles away or not, it still seems to make sense that it is very very far away, with how sunrise and sunset work, and how we're not able to see the sun at nighttime.
How do telescopes prove that the sun is 93 million miles away? This is a new theory. Astronomers keep changing their mind about that.
Well do you have an idea how that'd work and explain what goes on? I'm pretty sure most flat earthers do not believe in that and neither do the geocentrists. If the sun were tiny and orbited the earth then we should see the earth getting in between the sun and the moon all the time not rarely. And really a lot of other things would be different, the sun has to be farther away than the moon is since otherwise there couldn't be times when the moon is blocking sunlight, creating an eclipse.
Couldn't the sun be small and close to the earth, but the earth is still a globe? These things are not mutually exclusive.
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About the crepuscular sun rays, these videos explain why the sun rays are not comparable with perspective on railroad tracks, thus the angles are real and thus the sun is a lot closer than you think. What do you think?
They explain why these two images below are not the same or due to perspective.
This is true (according to science) , there's a point where air molecules can't escape earth's gravity depending on their location above the surface. At a further distance away from the earth, the force of gravity weakens until objects can effectively escape. It is possible air molecules can churn around and one could make it to the top and get accelerated enough to escape but enough stay at the surface and condense together to give us standard air pressure. Think of the air like a liquid where the top molecules are at the surface. Airplanes basically "swim" through the air. And that's why you need oxygen masks in airplanes at higher elevation if the windows blow out, because there is less air density i.e. less air molecules to go around to give enough oxygen to breathe at a healthy rate. (and you weigh half of a percent less at that altitude)Aron wrote: ↑July 12th, 2018, 10:56 pm"2. If space is a complete vacuum, how can it be adjacent to air atmosphere of earth without a seal or barrier to keep the air in? Anyone knows that a vacuum will suck air out into space. No one can explain this. This suggests a dome or barrier or force field of some kind around the earth."
There's not a barrier but people have a common misconception that there's a ton of air at one point then 5 feet later just void. It doesn't work that way. The atmosphere gradually thins out as you go farther away from the earth and the farther you go the more it looks like there is no air at all. Eventually there is a point that the international community decided to define as 'space' where the atmosphere has gotten so ridiculously thin that there is basically zero air there, but the key point here is there is no sudden jump from massive amounts of air to tiny. The air doesn't get sucked off into space because gravity exists.
Astronauts in Earth orbit don't fly off left behind by the earth because they and the spaceship are already moving close to Earth's orbital speed. It's like a freeway where cars moving close to the same speed as each other look still or move slow compared to each other. We're all moving at 67k mph around the sun which takes one year to do a lap. To truly get to zero speed compared to the Earth, the spaceship needs to accelerate to 67kmph path opposite of the Earth's orbit, then the ship and the astronauts would be whisked away.5. "If earth is moving in orbit at 67,000 mph, which is faster than a speeding bullet, why then when astronauts are in outer space or are flying to the moon, doesn't the earth whoosh away from them like a speeding bullet, leaving them to die in space and float forever with no hope of ever catching up with the earth?"
They're still affected by gravity from the earth just like the Moon is. Just because they're no longer trapped in the earth's atmosphere doesn't mean the earth's gravity has no effect. The earth's gravity even affects all the other planets in the solar system although not as much as Jupiter or especially the Sun for obvious reasons. So it won't just woosh past them and neither will the moon.