Is Our Earth FLAT and Motionless, Not a Spinning Globe?

[Adama]

If the Earth is moving at 67,000 mph in its orbit around the Sun, as official science tells us, then when the Apollo astronauts left Earth's orbit and headed toward the Moon, how come the Earth and the Moon didn't whiz AWAY from the astronauts at 67,000 mph like a speeding bullet and leave them to die in the emptiness of space? If the Earth moved away from you at 67,000 mph there's no way in hell you could catch up to it! You cannot chase something moving at the speed of a bullet, or in this case, moving even faster than a bullet! So the astronauts would have been toast! How do you explain that?!

Presumably the reason mainstream science would give is that the astronauts had also been moving with the Earth at 67000mph and retained this motion due to inertia, since there is no air resistance in space to stop them.

But you know what, by the same reasoning there is no means of propulsion in space either. That would require the ability to push against something. Space doesnt have anything to push against. Therefore they'd spin uncontrollably without having anything to push against to stop them from rolling.

Winston is right about the speed. The earth should speed away from the space shuttle and the space station because neither one of them can match the speed. Also, the gravitation of the sun would be much greater than that of the earth, and pull the astronauts out of earth orbit and into the sun.

[Cornfed]

But you know what, by the same reasoning there is no means of propulsion in space either. That would require the ability to push against something. Space doesnt have anything to push against. Therefore they'd spin uncontrollably without having anything to push against to stop them from rolling.

I don't know what the truth of this whole matter is, but the argument that a rocket moves because its propellant gasses push against air may not be true. It may be a case of for every action there is in equal and opposite reaction. Gasses are going out the back end of the rocket, so similar to the recoil effect of firing a gun the rocket goes forward.

Winston is right about the speed. The earth should speed away from the space shuttle and the space station because neither one of them can match the speed. Also, the gravitation of the sun would be much greater than that of the earth, and pull the astronauts out of earth orbit and into the sun.

It would be argued that the astronauts were already in the orbit of the sun, along with the Earth, Moon etc. so because it was acting on all parties equally the Sun's gravity was functionally irrelevant.

[Moretorque]

If the Earth is moving at 67,000 mph in its orbit around the Sun, as official science tells us, then when the Apollo astronauts left Earth's orbit and headed toward the Moon, how come the Earth and the Moon didn't whiz AWAY from the astronauts at 67,000 mph like a speeding bullet and leave them to die in the emptiness of space? If the Earth moved away from you at 67,000 mph there's no way in hell you could catch up to it! You cannot chase something moving at the speed of a bullet, or in this case, moving even faster than a bullet! So the astronauts would have been toast! How do you explain that?!

Presumably the reason mainstream science would give is that the astronauts had also been moving with the Earth at 67000mph and retained this motion due to inertia, since there is no air resistance in space to stop them.

But you know what, by the same reasoning there is no means of propulsion in space either. That would require the ability to push against something. Space doesnt have anything to push against. Therefore they'd spin uncontrollably without having anything to push against to stop them from rolling.

Winston is right about the speed. The earth should speed away from the space shuttle and the space station because neither one of them can match the speed. Also, the gravitation of the sun would be much greater than that of the earth, and pull the astronauts out of earth orbit and into the sun.

How dare you back talk to the great one in such a manner, the GOD you fear will strike you dead in your tracks where you stand if you are determined to engage in such blasphemy !

This is really getting to be stupid and stupider, I have a astrophysicist in the house with me here, I can ask him these ?'s and get a quick answers if you all like. You people really need to go study physics, this is all done through mathematics with the most accurate of precision because it has to be perfect. The expanded gasses of the burning rocket propellant propel it as the great one has suggested. It does not need a back drop to push against.

When a rocket launches they use the rotation of the earth to help sling it into orbit, it is locked into lower earth rotation by the earths gravitational pull which pulls it along as well. They use the solar systems planets gravitational pulls as sling shots as well in the same manner to launch satellites further into space to outer bodies or planets for better observation.

They used to have real science in the USA, not anymore however. How do you think we " or some great thinkers " invented the modern world.

This is exactly what our rulers want, you should watch the Star Trek episode with the Stratos City Dwellers. They are attempting at this very moment to create a complete break away civilization here on earth now where they possess all the knowledge and live in the clouds and then you have us an uneducated mass of ignorant Christers who live in the caves digging in the dirt for them so the elite can maintain their anti gravity cloud cities.

Adama, you would be like the head of the tribe of the Troglyte miners, I would have liked to have seen Mr. Spock bang Droxine the high advisors daughter in this episode.

What to do with Mr. Wu ? Unbelievable, a China man engaged in this nonsense.

[Moretorque]

A China man.

[Adama]

But you know what, by the same reasoning there is no means of propulsion in space either. That would require the ability to push against something. Space doesnt have anything to push against. Therefore they'd spin uncontrollably without having anything to push against to stop them from rolling.

I don't know what the truth of this whole matter is, but the argument that a rocket moves because its propellant gasses push against air may not be true. It may be a case of for every action there is in equal and opposite reaction. Gasses are going out the back end of the rocket, so similar to the recoil effect of firing a gun the rocket goes forward.

Winston is right about the speed. The earth should speed away from the space shuttle and the space station because neither one of them can match the speed. Also, the gravitation of the sun would be much greater than that of the earth, and pull the astronauts out of earth orbit and into the sun.

It would be argued that the astronauts were already in the orbit of the sun, along with the Earth, Moon etc. so because it was acting on all parties equally the Sun's gravity was functionally irrelevant.

Gasses might exit the rocket, but I think that rather than propulsion, the vacuum of space would simply siphon it off, similar to the way water evaporates in a vacuum.

Vacuum evaporation is the process of causing the pressure in a liquid-filled container to be reduced below the vapor pressure of the liquid, causing the liquid to evaporate at a lower temperature than normal. Although the process can be applied to any type of liquid at any vapor pressure, it is generally used to describe the boiling of water by lowering the container's internal pressure below standard atmospheric pressure and causing the water to boil at room temperature.

I doubt an engine or rocket would even work in space.

Built in the United States by Rocketdyne, the RS-25 burns cryogenic liquid hydrogen & liquid oxygen propellants, with each engine producing 1,859 kN (418,000 lbf) of thrust at liftoff.

That's what wiki says, but I doubt engines can create fire or that fire can last in space. In other words, there wouldnt be any burning of any type in space. It just doesnt make sense that something can burn in a vacuum space. It isnt a matter of oxygen. It just isnt possible to have fire within a vacuum. Supply all the oxygen you want. It won't ignite, because it would be siphoned off (sucked away) by the vastness of the vacuum of space.

As for the orbits, when the space shuttle is within the Earth's orbit or within the Moon's orbit, then the shuttle is using the properties of the earth or the moon to overcome the gravitational pull of the sun. After it has left the gravitational fields of the earth and the moon, the shuttle is on its own. It has to rely on its own power. The earth doesnt fall toward the sun because its orbit is in equilibrium between gravity and centrifugal forces. The space shuttle can not rely on centrifugal force, and it isnt in equilibrium.

The earth revolves around the sun at a speed of 67,000 MPH. Once the shuttle leaves the earth's orbit, it is physically impossible for the shuttle to catch up to the earth again, unless they wait 364 days for the earth to come back. The maximum speed of the Apollo shuttles were 25,000 MPH. Once they left the earth, it would have been physically impossible for the shuttle to "fly" fast enough to land on the earth again.

[droid]

EVERYONE LOOK!!!
In this video of the Sun from a balloon at a high altitude of 110,000 feet, you can see that the Sun is very close and that it casts a visible SPOTLIGHT directly underneath it on the clouds! Holy cow! We've been had!!! Listen to the narration and explanation before and after the clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3qn11MhoaFc

Also, here's a question that will blow your mind:

If the Earth is moving at 67,000 mph in its orbit around the Sun, as official science tells us, then when the Apollo astronauts left Earth's orbit and headed toward the Moon, how come the Earth and the Moon didn't whiz AWAY from the astronauts at 67,000 mph like a speeding bullet and leave them to die in the emptiness of space? If the Earth moved away from you at 67,000 mph there's no way in hell you could catch up to it! You cannot chase something moving at the speed of a bullet, or in this case, moving even faster than a bullet! So the astronauts would have been toast! How do you explain that?!

And how can something moving at 67,000 mph and spinning at 1,000 mph look perfectly still from space?! WTF?! Not a single real photo or video shows the Earth spinning. NOT ONE!!!

Many of you guys must be slapping your head right now and saying, "HOLY SHIT! I'VE BEEN HAD! HOW COULD I HAVE BEEN SO STUPID AND GULLIBLE! EVERYTHING WE'VE BEEN TOLD IS A LIE! ASTRONOMY IS JUST ONE BIG HOAX!"

God this is ridiculous, so much ignorance on this whole thread,
and now you're resorting to trolling your own threads

The guy in the video is dishonest. The balloon was just tilting on its axis, therefore the the reflection wouldn't have to "follow" anything. But while doing his 'experiment' the dude moved (translated) the camera around the room, instead of just tilting on its axis. To actually prove/verify what he claims, the balloon would have to translate sideways at thousands of miles per hour to show the same effect on that scale.

If the Earth is moving at 67,000 mph in its orbit around the Sun, as official science tells us, then when the Apollo astronauts left Earth's orbit and headed toward the Moon, how come the Earth and the Moon didn't whiz AWAY from the astronauts at 67,000 mph like a speeding bullet and leave them to die in the emptiness of space?

The earth revolves around the sun at a speed of 67,000 MPH. Once the shuttle leaves the earth's orbit, it is physically impossible for the shuttle to catch up to the earth again, unless they wait 364 days for the earth to come back. The maximum speed of the Apollo shuttles were 25,000 MPH. Once they left the earth, it would have been physically impossible for the shuttle to "fly" fast enough to land on the earth again.

If you jump off or inside a train going 80 mph, does the train whiz away from you at 80 mph???
No it doesn't, not until something stops you from going 80mph.
Now, you yourself admit space is empty, so there is nothing to stop you once you leave earth, so you continue along with it.

Is it april's fool or something and I'm just falling for it?

[droid]

Gasses might exit the rocket, but I think that rather than propulsion, the vacuum of space would simply siphon it off, similar to the way water evaporates in a vacuum.

Vacuum doesn't siphon off anything.
It is pressure from some matter (i.e gas) that makes said matter move in a given direction
You see vacuum "siphon off" stuff here on earth because there is air pressure moving stuff.
Vacuum is just that: Nothing

Liquid water being exposed to vacuum in space would actually propel the container with some force, as the vapor pressure would act on it as it evaporates.

Likewise, the huge pressure created by the volume expansion of the chemical reaction (explosion) propels the container (rocket) forward. i.e the gasses want to be where the rocket is, so they move it "out of the way".
And like I said, no "siphoning off" by space.

Built in the United States by Rocketdyne, the RS-25 burns cryogenic liquid hydrogen & liquid oxygen propellants, with each engine producing 1,859 kN (418,000 lbf) of thrust at liftoff.

That's what wiki says, but I doubt engines can create fire or that fire can last in space. In other words, there wouldnt be any burning of any type in space. It just doesnt make sense that something can burn in a vacuum space. It isnt a matter of oxygen. It just isnt possible to have fire within a vacuum. Supply all the oxygen you want. It won't ignite, because it would be siphoned off (sucked away) by the vastness of the vacuum of space.

see above. It's just a chemical reaction of a mixture of gasses, they just react way before the mixture gets spread thin in space.

As for the orbits, when the space shuttle is within the Earth's orbit or within the Moon's orbit, then the shuttle is using the properties of the earth or the moon to overcome the gravitational pull of the sun. After it has left the gravitational fields of the earth and the moon, the shuttle is on its own. It has to rely on its own power. The earth doesnt fall tothe sun because its orbit is in equilibrium between gravity and centrifugal forces. The space shuttle can not rely on centrifugal force, and it isnt in equilibrium.

WTF? You make your own physics laws as you go by pulling them out of your ass Adama, Lol!

Every molecule of the earth and the shuttle is actually orbiting independently around the sun. As long as each keeps the orbital speed, each will keep the orbit.
It's the same thing on earth when you drop a bowling ball and a feather, they fall at the same rate because each molecule is affected independently by gravity, regardless of it being attached to many more or just a few. Some people can't get their head around that.

[Cornfed]

Gasses might exit the rocket, but I think that rather than propulsion, the vacuum of space would simply siphon it off, similar to the way water evaporates in a vacuum.

Is it your position that a gun would not recoil when fired in a vacuum? A rocket is like a gun firing lots of gas molecules, so if a gun should recoil then so should a rocket, thus supplying the forward thrust.

That's what wiki says, but I doubt engines can create fire or that fire can last in space. In other words, there wouldnt be any burning of any type in space. It just doesnt make sense that something can burn in a vacuum space. It isnt a matter of oxygen. It just isnt possible to have fire within a vacuum. Supply all the oxygen you want. It won't ignite, because it would be siphoned off (sucked away) by the vastness of the vacuum of space.

Is it your position that a sealed pipe bomb would not explode in a vacuum? I see no problem with achieving ignition in a confined (although in the case of a rocket not completely sealed) space if you are supplying both the fuel and the oxidizer.

As for the orbits, when the space shuttle is within the Earth's orbit or within the Moon's orbit, then the shuttle is using the properties of the earth or the moon to overcome the gravitational pull of the sun.

No it doesn't. All agents remain affected identically by the gravitational pull of the sun, so it is functionally irrelevant to the system. Consider you are shooting a target with a rifle. Now the target is moving at staggering speed with respect to the center of the galaxy, the sun, the center of the earth etc. Yet you can still hit it with a relatively slow moving bullet. Why? Because the bullet, gun, target, you etc. are all moving at identical such speeds, so the speeds cancel out and it is only the local speed difference on the surface of the earth that is important.

The earth doesnt fall toward the sun because its orbit is in equilibrium between gravity and centrifugal forces. The space shuttle can not rely on centrifugal force, and it isnt in equilibrium.

No, this is not how orbits work. Things in orbit are falling. To illustrate this it is easier to visualize a satellite orbiting around the earth. The satellite is falling just as you would fall if you jumped out of an aircraft. But it doesn't hit the ground. Why? Because it has been launched as such a vertical speed that the curvature of the earth causes the earths surface to fall away faster. No centrifugal/centripetal force need apply. Or at least that is the mainstream explanation.

In general I don't think you understand the mainstream position. It may be bullshit, I don't know, but if you are going to refute it you should at least understand it.

[droid]

There's also a couple of points I think nobody has addressed:

1)
According to the flat earth map, when going from LA to MIAMI, the pilot would have to steer the plane left in order to describe the arch corresponding to said curve on the map, at least if one assumes they're flying over the correct landmarks and not just in a straight line.
So the flat-earthers say that in a globe the pilot would have to "pull down" every minute or so Lol, but the need to steer left as i described above is conveniently left out....AFAIK

2)
How come you can call someone that is on the other side of earth during the day and they can attest that for them it's midnight, and they can even send you real time pictures of themselves at night??????
How do the flat-earth theorists account for this? how can some people experience daylight and others night darkness at the same time if the earth is really flat???????

[Ghost]

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[Adama]

I thought about it some more and reconsidered. You are right, Cornfed. The earth and the moon are part of a system in which the moon is tethered to the earth. So the relative difference in speed for travel between the two would be easily overcome. I get it now. So the example of the earth moving at 67000 mph isnt a good one.

I still think that the vast (infinite?) vacuum of space would prevent propulsion.

[Moretorque]

But you know what, by the same reasoning there is no means of propulsion in space either. That would require the ability to push against something. Space doesnt have anything to push against. Therefore they'd spin uncontrollably without having anything to push against to stop them from rolling.

I don't know what the truth of this whole matter is, but the argument that a rocket moves because its propellant gasses push against air may not be true. It may be a case of for every action there is in equal and opposite reaction. Gasses are going out the back end of the rocket, so similar to the recoil effect of firing a gun the rocket goes forward.

Winston is right about the speed. The earth should speed away from the space shuttle and the space station because neither one of them can match the speed. Also, the gravitation of the sun would be much greater than that of the earth, and pull the astronauts out of earth orbit and into the sun.

It would be argued that the astronauts were already in the orbit of the sun, along with the Earth, Moon etc. so because it was acting on all parties equally the Sun's gravity was functionally irrelevant.

Gasses might exit the rocket, but I think that rather than propulsion, the vacuum of space would simply siphon it off, similar to the way water evaporates in a vacuum.

Vacuum evaporation is the process of causing the pressure in a liquid-filled container to be reduced below the vapor pressure of the liquid, causing the liquid to evaporate at a lower temperature than normal. Although the process can be applied to any type of liquid at any vapor pressure, it is generally used to describe the boiling of water by lowering the container's internal pressure below standard atmospheric pressure and causing the water to boil at room temperature.

I doubt an engine or rocket would even work in space.

Built in the United States by Rocketdyne, the RS-25 burns cryogenic liquid hydrogen & liquid oxygen propellants, with each engine producing 1,859 kN (418,000 lbf) of thrust at liftoff.

That's what wiki says, but I doubt engines can create fire or that fire can last in space. In other words, there wouldnt be any burning of any type in space. It just doesnt make sense that something can burn in a vacuum space. It isnt a matter of oxygen. It just isnt possible to have fire within a vacuum. Supply all the oxygen you want. It won't ignite, because it would be siphoned off (sucked away) by the vastness of the vacuum of space.

As for the orbits, when the space shuttle is within the Earth's orbit or within the Moon's orbit, then the shuttle is using the properties of the earth or the moon to overcome the gravitational pull of the sun. After it has left the gravitational fields of the earth and the moon, the shuttle is on its own. It has to rely on its own power. The earth doesnt fall toward the sun because its orbit is in equilibrium between gravity and centrifugal forces. The space shuttle can not rely on centrifugal force, and it isnt in equilibrium.

The earth revolves around the sun at a speed of 67,000 MPH. Once the shuttle leaves the earth's orbit, it is physically impossible for the shuttle to catch up to the earth again, unless they wait 364 days for the earth to come back. The maximum speed of the Apollo shuttles were 25,000 MPH. Once they left the earth, it would have been physically impossible for the shuttle to "fly" fast enough to land on the earth again.

A rocket carries it's own oxygen so it can burn the fuel in space, you can build a vacuum here on earth as an experiment and see weather there is push from thrust. You don't need to be in space.

They are finding out now what a gem our solar system is because it is in such stable balance mathematically compared to other observations coming from planets orbiting other stars in other solar systems. Now if you leave earths gravitational pull then the planet will move quickly away from you.

You really need to spend some time studying this and how it all works and quit being such a Christer! Now I know why they have been so persecuted throughout history, SILENCE THESE BAFOONS.

It's all calculated to the 9000th degree to make the space missions work. It took a lot of brains to put the space programs together, this is why theoretical physicist and physicists test way way smarter than anybody else on planet earth.

By the way don't bother the great one. He's above all this.

[Moretorque]

There's also a couple of points I think nobody has addressed:

1)
According to the flat earth map, when going from LA to MIAMI, the pilot would have to steer the plane left in order to describe the arch corresponding to said curve on the map, at least if one assumes they're flying over the correct landmarks and not just in a straight line.
So the flat-earthers say that in a globe the pilot would have to "pull down" every minute or so Lol, but the need to steer left as i described above is conveniently left out....AFAIK

2)
How come you can call someone that is on the other side of earth during the day and they can attest that for them it's midnight, and they can even send you real time pictures of themselves at night??????
How do the flat-earth theorists account for this? how can some people experience daylight and others night darkness at the same time if the earth is really flat???????

Droid actually in this day and age this is really sad, by high school everybody should grasp how this kinda works including women. They want a real real ignorant populace to make it easy to control and it would not surprise me if this ignorance all being cultivated as of late is all being funded and done on purpose by our masters to bring back a dark age mentality amongst the masses as to set it up to where we kill each other off over who's god is the real and better god.

[Moretorque]

hhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Moretorque]

I thought about it some more and reconsidered. You are right, Cornfed. The earth and the moon are part of a system in which the moon is tethered to the earth. So the relative difference in speed for travel between the two would be easily overcome. I get it now. So the example of the earth moving at 67000 mph isnt a good one.

I still think that the vast (infinite?) vacuum of space would prevent propulsion.

Your just joking about all this I hope, I can understand the religion part about being a Christian and all and more power to you but I understand the real theology I believe behind the bible and once you understand it you realize they made the whole entire thing up for the most part.