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Re: Earth is Not Moving, Not a Globe and Outer Space is a Ho

Postby Moretorque » Thu Jul 23, 2015 6:44 pm

droid wrote:
HouseMD wrote:You guys do realize that you can take pictures of the ISS with the proper camera equipment and an 8.5" or larger lens telescope right? It's easy to do if you have the technical experience. Friends at my college did it as an extra credit project in their astronomy class, it isn't exactly rocket science. And if you'd like to see the curvature of the Earth, you can pay to go to the edge of space in a MIG that tops out at over 75k feet: http://www.incredible-adventures.com/edgeofspace.html

You can see it yourself dude. All of it. Space is literally right there, it isn't crazy hard to figure this out yourself.


Great points. Great link!

Image

The thing with this kind of image is that it allows flat earthers to say that the lens provides a fake curvature, which is true, especially in some of NASA's shots. But that is misleading, in the sense that there is actually a curvature visible by the naked eye, even though it's not as strong as what is feigned by the lens. You can even see this from a commercial jet, which flies at half the height of the MIG.
Also it's important to realize that curvature perception not only comes from the profile of the horizon but from the actual ground surface and its features.
And in addition, one should be able to see much much further towards the edge and a lot more stuff if it was a flat disc.


That link is Satan trying to fool'yaa, just feel lucky you don't have a soul to burn for eternity. :roll:
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Winston » Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:14 am

This is interesting.

Rainbows prove that we live under a sky DOME!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm4Kep5qw9o[/youtube]

Confessions by an airline pilot about the Flat Earth.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaUBrui9L1I[/youtube]
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Tsar » Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:22 pm

Winston wrote:This is interesting.

Rainbows prove that we live under a sky DOME!

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wm4Kep5qw9o[/youtube]

Confessions by an airline pilot about the Flat Earth.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VaUBrui9L1I[/youtube]


Interesting information about the rainbow.
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Adama » Tue Sep 15, 2015 12:35 am

This is unrelated. Anyone ever notice the bottoms of clouds are flat? Everywhere else clouds are irregular shapes, except for the bottom part of clouds. Those are always flat. There has to be a reason why. Is there some kind of floor through which clouds can not descend? You would almost think that the clouds are compressed against something beneath them, like a cookie dough on a baking sheet.


There's no doubt in my mind that the earth is flat. There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. There is no doubt in my mind that evolution, the big bang, and the spherical earth are deceptions from the devil meant to get everyone to believe there is no life after death, that how you live doesnt matter (it doesnt matter for entry into heaven IF you believe, if you do not believe, action only damns you), that we are each our own (we belong to God), that there are no rules, that you can have sex with as many women as you want (you can not, but you can have as many wives as you can get), etc.

The atheists laugh at that reasoning, but that is only because Satan has been successful. People honestly believe that if God made the heavens and the earth the way He describes in the Bible, that that would make Him a magician, rather than our Lord. That is some retarded logic, planted by Satan himself. Who else owns the media and repeated that lie enough times for the atheists to cling onto it as their hope that they won't have to pay for their adultery, extortion, sorcery, and idolatry?
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby HouseMD » Tue Sep 15, 2015 1:01 am

Adama wrote:This is unrelated. Anyone ever notice the bottoms of clouds are flat? Everywhere else clouds are irregular shapes, except for the bottom part of clouds. Those are always flat. There has to be a reason why. Is there some kind of floor through which clouds can not descend? You would almost think that the clouds are compressed against something beneath them, like a cookie dough on a baking sheet.


There's no doubt in my mind that the earth is flat. There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. There is no doubt in my mind that evolution, the big bang, and the spherical earth are deceptions from the devil meant to get everyone to believe there is no life after death, that how you live doesnt matter (it doesnt matter for entry into heaven IF you believe, if you do not believe, action only damns you), that we are each our own (we belong to God), that there are no rules, that you can have sex with as many women as you want (you can not, but you can have as many wives as you can get), etc.

The atheists laugh at that reasoning, but that is only because Satan has been successful. People honestly believe that if God made the heavens and the earth the way He describes in the Bible, that that would make Him a magician, rather than our Lord. That is some retarded logic, planted by Satan himself. Who else owns the media and repeated that lie enough times for the atheists to cling onto it as their hope that they won't have to pay for their adultery, extortion, sorcery, and idolatry?

You realize that people can actually pay to go into space right now? And that you could launch your very own rocket into suborbit? And that you can take a picture of the ISS and many of the larger orbital satellites with some programming experience and a social programmable telescope?

Space doesn't make God's creation less impressive- it makes it infinitely more so, for he has created countless billions and billions of galaxies, not merely one little world and one little sun.

There's a lot of things that are plausible, conspiracy-wise, but a flat earth is not among them. We fly over (and will soon send ships through) the region of the north pole, and the south pole will be increasingly accessible due to I've loss within our lifetimes. I'm actually thinking about doing a stint at one of the research stations after residency- it's not some magically inaccessible place.
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Ghost » Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:29 am

Adama wrote:This is unrelated. Anyone ever notice the bottoms of clouds are flat? Everywhere else clouds are irregular shapes, except for the bottom part of clouds. Those are always flat. There has to be a reason why. Is there some kind of floor through which clouds can not descend? You would almost think that the clouds are compressed against something beneath them, like a cookie dough on a baking sheet.


No, I don't think I've ever seen a flat cloud. There are different kinds of clouds with different shapes and "textures" anyway, so this is silly to say that there is something compressing them at a point. Is whatever that thing is being covered up too? Geez.


There's no doubt in my mind that the earth is flat. There is no doubt in my mind that Jesus Christ is our Lord and Savior. There is no doubt in my mind that evolution, the big bang, and the spherical earth are deceptions from the devil meant to get everyone to believe there is no life after death, that how you live doesnt matter (it doesnt matter for entry into heaven IF you believe, if you do not believe, action only damns you), that we are each our own (we belong to God), that there are no rules, that you can have sex with as many women as you want (you can not, but you can have as many wives as you can get), etc.

The atheists laugh at that reasoning, but that is only because Satan has been successful. People honestly believe that if God made the heavens and the earth the way He describes in the Bible, that that would make Him a magician, rather than our Lord. That is some retarded logic, planted by Satan himself. Who else owns the media and repeated that lie enough times for the atheists to cling onto it as their hope that they won't have to pay for their adultery, extortion, sorcery, and idolatry?


They might also laugh because some of those things don't really make sense. It could be a case of a broken clock being right twice a day.

I think we need a new thread about some of this theology. We wouldn't want it clogging up our thread about the flat earth...it's loony enough as it is.

I had an idea recently about a thread about Genesis being an allegory. If I have enough time later on I may write it and post it. That would be a good place to start.
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Ghost » Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:09 am

The earth is flat! (Or can be. Check the video for an explanation.) ;)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNqNnUJVcVs[/youtube]
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Entrepreneur » Fri Oct 16, 2015 11:03 pm

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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Adama » Sat Oct 17, 2015 4:53 am

Entrepreneur wrote:I can't believe this thread is 12 pages long. That's a Problem.

I'm not sure who first put out the 'Flat Earth' theory (in recent times) or is organizing/directing all this . But, the entire thing is a Trap, mind-fuck. Designed to waste your time & make you look ignorant.

How do we know the world is NOT flat?

My top 9:
1. Latitude, Time & Seasons
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daytime#Daytime_variations_with_latitude_and_seasons
Do this experiment yourself, time the length of daylight each day as it grows & shrinks. Then if you have the budget, Travel to somewhere far North.

If you go far enough North or South, the tilt of the Earth will cause you to be in Perpetual shadow or light:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_night
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Midnight_sun

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Midnight+sun+time+lapse
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZcafg-meJA


2. Weather Patterns & Wind
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=wind+patterns+on+earth
'Doldrums' https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intertropical_Convergence_Zone

It's almost identical to other planets:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vN_otZf3sw0
https://www.youtube.com/results?q=Jupiter+cloud+timelapse

Coriolis & Cyclones:
https://www.google.com/search?q=Coriolis+effect
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyclone#Tropical

3. Gravity.
There are 2 forces affecting the shape of Earth. And if you have accurate enough instruments you can measure this:
https://squishtheory.wordpress.com/the-earths-equatorial-bulge/

All bodies have it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cavendish_experiment
and Large & dense enough objects find equilibrium as a sphere: https://www.google.com/search?q=Asteroid+sphericity


4. Line of Sight
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jRdgnj17FHQ
https://www.google.com/search?q=Line-of-sight+radio+waves


5. Geophysics.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismology
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geodesy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polar_motion
When seismic events happen, the path of waves as the travel thought the Earth to detectors all over the world, tell us it's shape:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seismology#Mapping_the_earth.27s_interior


6. Star Positions
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuth
Then there's this thing:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextant

7. Star Tracks
When you take very long exposure photographs of the sky this is what you get:
https://www.google.com/search?q=star+tracks&tbm=isch
http://jeffnewcomerphotography.blogspot.com/2012/03/star-track-photography.html
The axis of tilt in these photographs relation to Latitude is exactly what you'd expect.

8. Magnetosphere
For me, by far one of most convincing proofs is phenomenon caused by Earth's magnetosphere
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetosphere Most other planets have one.

Saturn even has an Aurora Borealis like Earth does:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurora#Planetary_auroras
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7AmyfuJDMlY

However If Flat Earth is correct magnetic field lines would have to radiate out from the center and go in at the edge.
Every charge in motion creates a Toroidal magnetic field? Even elementary particles like the electron.
How can we explain this geometry?

Furthermore 'Flipping' of field wouldn't make sense, because the Flat Earth model magnetosphere is asymmetric. There's clear evidence of this on the Ocean floor: http://www.universetoday.com/91561/earths-magnetic-pole-reversal-dont-flip-out/

9. This
http://mashable.com/2014/10/07/chasing-horizons-photography-sunset/
is awesome... Now granted it's a marketing ploy, But still a very repeatable experiment if you have a plane fast enough.

10. Finally you can look up at the heavens: sun, moon, solar-system, galaxy, universe. And can clearly see most bodies are a full Sphere. The Sun rotates, you can see it's entire surface: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solar_rotation

Why would only Earth be flat and nothing else?


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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Entrepreneur » Sat Oct 17, 2015 5:42 am

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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Adama » Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:13 am

In 20 years everyone will believe it again. ;)
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Entrepreneur » Sat Oct 17, 2015 9:51 am

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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby HouseMD » Sat Oct 17, 2015 6:21 pm

Pretty much what the previous poster said.

Most of these conspiracies exist as a distraction, designed to trick the disenfranchised into obsessing over nonsense, rather than actually starting meaningful movements and rising above their current situation. It's a false sense of both empowerment (feeling you have knowledge) and helplessness (knowledge of things you cannot change) that programs you to do nothing with yourself because you're the only one who "gets it" and no one will believe you, and even if they did, the massive "conspiracy" would stop you.

Practical, realistic movements, such as what HA could be if it weren't a cesspool of conspiracies, nonsense, and hopelessness, could actually affect a great deal of change in both individuals and society. If we focused more on spreading practical, goal-focused knowledge designed to net real men actual results in their personal and professional lives, networked and shared business and living ideas, and built a synergistic community of individuals that were focused on effecting real change in both themselves and others, we could have something awesome here. But we don't, because most people here (not all, but most) are either hopeless, delusional, or self-interested and not looking to work with a community.
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby OutWest » Sat Oct 17, 2015 7:57 pm

HouseMD wrote:Pretty much what the previous poster said.

Most of these conspiracies exist as a distraction, designed to trick the disenfranchised into obsessing over nonsense, rather than actually starting meaningful movements and rising above their current situation. It's a false sense of both empowerment (feeling you have knowledge) and helplessness (knowledge of things you cannot change) that programs you to do nothing with yourself because you're the only one who "gets it" and no one will believe you, and even if they did, the massive "conspiracy" would stop you.

Practical, realistic movements, such as what HA could be if it weren't a cesspool of conspiracies, nonsense, and hopelessness, could actually affect a great deal of change in both individuals and society. If we focused more on spreading practical, goal-focused knowledge designed to net real men actual results in their personal and professional lives, networked and shared business and living ideas, and built a synergistic community of individuals that were focused on effecting real change in both themselves and others, we could have something awesome here. But we don't, because most people here (not all, but most) are either hopeless, delusional, or self-interested and not looking to work with a community.



Of course, there have been conspiracies throughout history. Somehow, in the new degeneracy, that fact is useful in creating this cult of conspiracy about all of reality. Increasingly, the underclasses will be preoccupied with such occult nonsense, while very ordinary methods, done quite opennly, will be used to enslave them.
Science and reason can increasingly be owned by cognitive elites. The masses will become profoundly degenerate, with their lives dominated by occult conspiracy superstitions. The struggle between good and evil will take place on the plane of these elites, whether for good or evil. It has always been thus throughout history, but for a time, In a failed experiment, science and reason was something thought to be possible in the minds of the masses; hence the failed experiments in democratic government. Elites of course, hated this experiment, and modern public education was designed to derail it. Public education victims by the millions, could not reason their way out if a paper bag.

At the current rate, the West is slidding back towards the mind if the primative...dancing around fires with nosebones, seeking to ward off evil spirits... Incapable of science or reason, the underclasses will be managed by rulers who send great silver birds in sky to keep the cattle within bounds.
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Re: Our Earth is Flat, Not Moving and Outer Space is a Hoax!

Postby Eightfold Path » Sat Oct 17, 2015 8:30 pm

I really wish there were a way to rep or +1 HouseMD and Ghost.
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