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Re: Freemasons and Secret Societies: What are they about?

Postby Winston » Tue Aug 02, 2016 5:56 am

Im reading a book called "secret societies and subversive movements" by british historian nesta webster, written in 1924. Here are some important quotes from it about secret societies and the revolutions they engineer. As you can see, nesta webster is very knowledgeable, aware and intellectual, which is rare for a woman. Shes definitely one of the greatest female freethinkers in history.

Quotes from "secret societies and subversive" movements:

"Let it be said once and for all, secret societies have not always been formed for evil purposes. On the contrary, many have arisen from the highest aspirations of the human mind--the desire for a knowledge of eternal verities. The evil arising from such systems has usually consisted in the perversion of principles that once were pure and holy. If I do not insist further on this point, it is because a vast literature has already been devoted to the subject, so that it need only be touched on briefly here.

Now, from the earliest times groups of Initiates or "Wise Men" have existed, claiming to be in possession of esoteric doctrines known as the "Mysteries," incapable of apprehension by the vulgar, and relating to the origin and end of man, the life of the soul after death, and the nature of God or the gods. It is this exclusive attitude which constitutes the essential difference between the Initiates of the ancient world and the great Teachers of religion with whom modern occultists seek to confound them. For whilst religious leaders such as Buddha and Mohammed sought for divine knowledge in order that they might impart it to the world, the Initiates believed that sacred mysteries should not be revealed to the profane but should remain exclusively in their own keeping, although the desire for initiation might spring from the highest aspiration, the gratification, whether real or imaginary, of this desire often led to spiritual arrogance and abominable tyranny, resulting in the fearful trials, the tortures physical and mental, ending even at times in death, to which the neophyte was subjected by his superiors."

"For the final goal of world-revolution is not Socialism or even Communism, it is not a change in the existing economic system, it is not the destruction of civilization in a material sense; the revolution desired by the leaders is a moral and spiritual revolution, an anarchy of ideas by which all standards set up throughout nineteen centuries shall be reversed, all honoured traditions trampled under foot, and above all the Christian ideal finally obliterated."

"In general, the art of the conspiracy is not so much to create movements as to capture existing movements, often innocuous and even admirable in themselves, and turn them to a subversive purpose."

"But it is in the Cabala, still more than in the Talmud, that the Judaic dream of world-domination recurs with the greatest persistence."

"The hope of world-domination is therefore not an idea attributed to the Jews by "anti-Semites," but a very real and essential part of their traditions."

"It is thus not in the law of Moses thundered from Sinai, not in the dry ritual of the Talmud, but in the stupendous imaginings of the Cabala, that the real dreams and aspirations of Jewry have been transmitted through the ages."

Adama, isnt nesta webster one of the smartest and most intellectually aware women in western history? Wow.
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Re: Freemasons and Secret Societies: What are they about?

Postby Adama » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:05 am

Winston wrote:Im reading a book called "secret societies and subversive movements" by british historian nesta webster, written in 1924. Here are some important quotes from it about secret societies and the revolutions they engineer. As you can see, nesta webster is very knowledgeable, aware and intellectual, which is rare for a woman. Shes definitely one of the greatest female freethinkers in history.

Quotes from "secret societies and subversive" movements:

"Let it be said once and for all, secret societies have not always been formed for evil purposes. On the contrary, many have arisen from the highest aspirations of the human mind--the desire for a knowledge of eternal verities. The evil arising from such systems has usually consisted in the perversion of principles that once were pure and holy. If I do not insist further on this point, it is because a vast literature has already been devoted to the subject, so that it need only be touched on briefly here.

Now, from the earliest times groups of Initiates or "Wise Men" have existed, claiming to be in possession of esoteric doctrines known as the "Mysteries," incapable of apprehension by the vulgar, and relating to the origin and end of man, the life of the soul after death, and the nature of God or the gods. It is this exclusive attitude which constitutes the essential difference between the Initiates of the ancient world and the great Teachers of religion with whom modern occultists seek to confound them. For whilst religious leaders such as Buddha and Mohammed sought for divine knowledge in order that they might impart it to the world, the Initiates believed that sacred mysteries should not be revealed to the profane but should remain exclusively in their own keeping, although the desire for initiation might spring from the highest aspiration, the gratification, whether real or imaginary, of this desire often led to spiritual arrogance and abominable tyranny, resulting in the fearful trials, the tortures physical and mental, ending even at times in death, to which the neophyte was subjected by his superiors."

"For the final goal of world-revolution is not Socialism or even Communism, it is not a change in the existing economic system, it is not the destruction of civilization in a material sense; the revolution desired by the leaders is a moral and spiritual revolution, an anarchy of ideas by which all standards set up throughout nineteen centuries shall be reversed, all honoured traditions trampled under foot, and above all the Christian ideal finally obliterated."

"In general, the art of the conspiracy is not so much to create movements as to capture existing movements, often innocuous and even admirable in themselves, and turn them to a subversive purpose."

"But it is in the Cabala, still more than in the Talmud, that the Judaic dream of world-domination recurs with the greatest persistence."

"The hope of world-domination is therefore not an idea attributed to the Jews by "anti-Semites," but a very real and essential part of their traditions."

"It is thus not in the law of Moses thundered from Sinai, not in the dry ritual of the Talmud, but in the stupendous imaginings of the Cabala, that the real dreams and aspirations of Jewry have been transmitted through the ages."

Adama, isnt nesta webster one of the smartest and most intellectually aware women in western history? Wow.


Certainly knowledgeable. I don't think someone is smart just because they know and accept certain truths though. There's at least one thing she didn't write or maybe that you haven't quoted which is the next logical conclusion, and that is that their god truly is Satan and they serve him. That's why their goals counter Christianity and are against everything that is good and natural. You can go on Youtube right now and type in Zohar and you can see they love it, even though it is directly satanic.
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Re: Freemasons and Secret Societies: What are they about?

Postby Winston » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:33 pm

Adama wrote:Certainly knowledgeable. I don't think someone is smart just because they know and accept certain truths though. There's at least one thing she didn't write or maybe that you haven't quoted which is the next logical conclusion, and that is that their god truly is Satan and they serve him. That's why their goals counter Christianity and are against everything that is good and natural. You can go on Youtube right now and type in Zohar and you can see they love it, even though it is directly satanic.


But she isn't accepting certain truths. She is perceiving them with great insight, knowledge and understanding. It's not like she's accepting that 2+2=4. She is figuring things out for herself. Most people can't do that, especially women. So she is a rare kind. You see what I mean? Very few women have the insight to see what's going on beyond what the media tell them. Especially when it concerns world events. Women don't tend to do that. So Ms. Webster must be pretty unique. Right?

I mean how many women do you know who can write something like this:

"For the final goal of world-revolution is not Socialism or even Communism, it is not a change in the existing economic system, it is not the destruction of civilization in a material sense; the revolution desired by the leaders is a moral and spiritual revolution, an anarchy of ideas by which all standards set up throughout nineteen centuries shall be reversed, all honoured traditions trampled under foot, and above all the Christian ideal finally obliterated."

That's one of the most important paragraphs in her book. She sums up a complicated subject in one paragraph. This applies not only to the Communist Bolshevik Revolution, but to the Scientific and Industrial Revolution as well, which created modern society and capitalism. She obviously sees the big picture. How many women do you know who can see the big picture like this?

Anyway, you should read Nesta Webster's book "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements". It's very scholarly and in-depth. Even though it was written in 1924, it's still true and applies today. You would like it.

You can read some online copies here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19104/19104-h/19104-h.htm
http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Nesta_Webster-Secret_Societies_and_Subversive_Movements.pdf

Multiple ebook formats:
https://archive.org/details/SecretSocietiesAndSubversiveMovements

This book discusses various secret societies, subversive organizations, and conspiratorial groups throughout history, from ancient groups to Medieval Templars to Occult orders to Freemasons.


I don't know if Nesta Webster mentioned that secret societies were worshipping Satan or not. She's a historian, not a Christian fanatic or preacher. She's supposed to try to be objective, not too religious. I didn't read her whole book. It's long and detailed. But she does seem to be a Christian and her book is part of the Christian book club.
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Re: Freemasons and Secret Societies: What are they about?

Postby Adama » Tue Aug 02, 2016 8:41 pm

Winston wrote:
Adama wrote:Certainly knowledgeable. I don't think someone is smart just because they know and accept certain truths though. There's at least one thing she didn't write or maybe that you haven't quoted which is the next logical conclusion, and that is that their god truly is Satan and they serve him. That's why their goals counter Christianity and are against everything that is good and natural. You can go on Youtube right now and type in Zohar and you can see they love it, even though it is directly satanic.


But she isn't accepting certain truths. She is perceiving them with great insight, knowledge and understanding. It's not like she's accepting that 2+2=4. She is figuring things out for herself. Most people can't do that, especially women. So she is a rare kind. You see what I mean? Very few women have the insight to see what's going on beyond what the media tell them. Especially when it concerns world events. Women don't tend to do that. So Nesta Webster must be pretty unique. Right?

I mean how many women do you know who can write something like this:

"For the final goal of world-revolution is not Socialism or even Communism, it is not a change in the existing economic system, it is not the destruction of civilization in a material sense; the revolution desired by the leaders is a moral and spiritual revolution, an anarchy of ideas by which all standards set up throughout nineteen centuries shall be reversed, all honoured traditions trampled under foot, and above all the Christian ideal finally obliterated."

That's one of the most important paragraphs in her book. She sums up a complicated subject in one paragraph. This applies not only to the Communist Bolshevik Revolution, but to the Scientific and Industrial Revolution as well, which created modern society and capitalism. She obviously sees the big picture. How many women do you know who can see the big picture like this?

Anyway, you should read Nesta Webster's book "Secret Societies and Subversive Movements". It's very scholarly and in-depth. Even though it was written in 1924, it's still true and applies today. You would like it.

You can read some online copies here:
http://www.gutenberg.org/files/19104/19104-h/19104-h.htm
http://arcticbeacon.com/books/Nesta_Webster-Secret_Societies_and_Subversive_Movements.pdf

Multiple ebook formats:
https://archive.org/details/SecretSocietiesAndSubversiveMovements

This book discusses various secret societies, subversive organizations, and conspiratorial groups throughout history, from ancient groups to Medieval Templars to Occult orders to Freemasons.


I will give you that, Winston. She is unique for a woman. This also just goes to show that even ages ago, when they said women were universally oppressed, you find female names throughout history. But they always say there are so few females because blah. Look at today though. Although women have become slaves at the drone sites, there are probably no more women making history now than there ever were.

Why can't women excel in this age far more than in previous ages? Because the female mind is wired to be wife and mother, not worker bee drone or mad scientist. Are women capable? Of being drones, yes. Still few women are inclined to become mad scientists despite universities and employers actively seeking them. It's because women were designed for a different role.

Work is really meant for men to perform. Somehow women got fooled into thinking that slaving away in a factory for the man means economic independence. Nope. It just means deeper enslavement, dummies. Now both men and women got to work, and look how the kids get brainwashed into thinking like idiots at the local indoctrination centers for many hours daily, far exceeding the amount of time they spend with their own parents!
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Re: Secret Societies and Freemasons: What are they about?

Postby Winston » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:08 pm

Hi all,
It looks like there's one historical book I missed that documents the Illuminati too. After John Robison's "Proofs of a Conspiracy" in 1797 and Abbe Barreul's "Code of the Illuminati" in 1798, in 1802, an American Senator named Seth Payson published "Proof of the Illuminati" about how the Illuminati had come to America and infiltrated the Freemason lodges as well as government. So there are a total of three books between 1797 and 1802 that historically document the Illuminati and its infiltration into America that are worth reading.

https://www.amazon.com/Proof-Illuminati-Seth-Payson/dp/1931468141
http://www.goodreads.com/book/show/4230.Proof_of_the_Illuminati

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The society of the Illuminati was founded in Bavaria in the 1770s, operating covertly within the unknowing veil of honest Masonry. The Illuminati's goals were the overthrow of all government and religion, by any means at their disposal. Their methods included theft, embezzlement, murder, and assassination. Deceit, secrecy, and subterfuge were their common tools.

Linked with the Jacobians in Paris, and appearing in numerous countries under the cover of other secret societies, the Illuminati formented the terrors of the French revolution and other overthrow of the Swiss Republic, causing destruction and death across Europe.

The sect was uncovered and outlawed in 1790, which only drove it to greater secrecy. The poison of the Illuminati was announced and decried by the French Jesuit Abbe Barruel and the eminent English scientist Doctor Robison. These two men, so different in character, politics, and religion, had reached the same conclusion about the evils and effects of Illuminism. For their efforts, both were defamed and ridiclued, their characters questioned.

Seth Payson's Proof of the Illuminati draws from Barruel, Robison, and an array of other sources to show that rather than being stamped out, the Illuminati's pernicious influence was actively spreading its noxious decay. Originally written in 1802, this book still has a stark warning message that rings of truth to this day.


If you want irrevocable proof of the previous existance of the the Illuminati and how they were tied into several secret groups such as the masons, this book will provide it to you.

That being said, it's a very difficult book to get through as it was written in New England in the 1830's and the manuscripts that the book was compiled from date back to the middle of the 1700's in Europe. The language and terminology is hard to follow and the content of the book is colored by the author as he was a staunch christian minister.

I would recomend this book to only those who are really curious about the illuminati; it's too hard a book to get through without that passion. If you're looking for the actual rituals or grand designs, you'll be dissapointed. But, again, what you will get, is irrevocable proof of the past existance of the illuminati. Whether or not they still exist, I have no idea...


Here is a quick review and summary of the book by Mark Dice on YouTube.



So it certainly does look like the Illuminati really did exist in the 1700's and maybe early 1800's too. Even George Washington acknowledged this, as mentioned earlier. Whether they exist today or not is unclear. Regardless though, even if they don't exist anymore, still, their goals and agendas are being carried out by other groups today, no matter what those groups call themselves.
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Re: Secret Societies and Freemasons: What are they about?

Postby gsjackson » Fri Sep 30, 2016 6:48 pm

Um, Dear Leader, highest judge of all -- will you please go render a verdict on the thing everyone is interested in.
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Re: Secret Societies and Freemasons: What are they about?

Postby Winston » Fri Sep 30, 2016 7:46 pm

This book published in 1918 documents and chronicles the Illuminati scare in America in the late 18th Century.

New England and the Bavarian Illuminati - Vernon Stauffer

https://www.amazon.com/England-Bavarian-Illuminati-Vernon-Stauffer/dp/1931468222

The rift between the nation's two political parties is caused by a Conspiracy! New England the Bavarian Illuminati is the history of the Illuminati scare that occurred in America at the end of the eighteenth century. It tells how the Federalists, including the New England clergy in particular, seized upon the idea that the Illuminati were behind the actions of the Democrats. Only a far-reaching conspiracy could explain the irreverent habits and searing attacks of the Jeffersonians. Fear of the secret Democratic Clubs, magnified by fear of the French Jacobins, made such a conspiracy readily believable. Dr. Stauffer ably details the state of American politics and religion before and after the American Revolution. He recounts the known history of the Illuminati, and reviews how knowledge of the secret organization was transmitted to America. The conspiracy alarm is traced in detail, from the first announcement of the existence of the Illuminati given during a sermon, through the heated and virulent debates in newspapers and pamphlets, and finally to the decline of the public spectacle under counter-attacks and satirical mockery. This study of the Illuminati in New England was originally published in 1918. Acclaimed from its first printing, it has since then developed a respectable position as one of the most competent and important histories on the shadowy Order of the Illuminati.


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Re: Secret Societies and Freemasons: What are they about?

Postby Winston » Fri Oct 07, 2016 11:07 am

Here is another story about the Illuminati that goes back to 1666. It's very interesting.

1666 Redemption Through Sin by Robert Sepehr

Very few have ever heard of Sabbatai Zevi, who declared himself the Messiah in 1666, proclaiming that redemption was available through acts of sin. Sabbateans encouraged and practiced sexual promiscuity, adultery, incest and religious orgies. After Sabbati Zevi's death in 1676, his Kabbalist successor, Jacob Frank, expanded upon and continued his occult philosophy. Jacob Frank would eventually enter into an alliance formed by Adam Weishaupt and Meyer Amshel Rothschild called the Order of the Illuminati. The objectives of this organization was to undermine the world's religions and power structures, in an effort to usher in a utopian era of global communism, which they would covertly rule by their hidden hand: the New World Order. Using secret societies, such as the Freemasons, their agenda has played itself out over the centuries, staying true to the script. The Illuminati handle opposition by a near total control of the world's media, academic opinion leaders, politicians and financiers.

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Most people have heard of Jesus Christ, considered the Messiah by Christians, and who lived 2000 years ago. But very few have ever heard of Sabbatai Zevi, who declared himself the Messiah in 1666. By proclaiming redemption was available through acts of sin, he amassed a following of over one million passionate believers, about half the world's Jewish population during the 17th century.

Although many Rabbis at the time considered him a heretic, his fame extended far and wide. Sabbatai's adherents planned to abolish many ritualistic observances, because, according to the Talmud, holy obligations would no longer apply in the Messianic time. Fasting days became days of feasting and rejoicing. Sabbateans encouraged and practiced sexual promiscuity, adultery, incest and religious orgies.

After Sabbati Zevi's death in 1676, his Kabbalist successor, Jacob Frank, expanded upon and continued his occult philosophy. Frankism, a religious movement of the 18th and 19th centuries, centered on his leadership, and his claim to be the reincarnation of the Messiah Sabbatai Zevi. He, like Zevi, would perform "strange acts" that violated traditional religious taboos, such as eating fats forbidden by Jewish dietary laws, ritual sacrifice, and promoting orgies and sexual immorality. He often slept with his followers, as well as his own daughter, while preaching a doctrine that the best way to imitate God was to cross every boundary, transgress every taboo, and mix the sacred with the profane. Hebrew University of Jerusalem Professor Gershom Scholem called Jacob Frank, "one of the most frightening phenomena in the whole of Jewish history". Jacob Frank would eventually enter into an alliance formed by Adam Weishaupt and Meyer Amshel Rothschild called the Order of the Illuminati. The objectives of this organization was to undermine the world's religions and power structures, in an effort to usher in a utopian era of global communism, which they would covertly rule by their hidden hand: the New World Order.

Using secret societies, such as the Freemasons, their agenda has played itself out over the centuries, staying true to the script. The Illuminati handle opposition by a near total control of the world's media, academic opinion leaders, politicians and financiers. Still considered nothing more than theory to many, more and more people wake up each day to the possibility that this is not just a theory, but a terrifying Satanic conspiracy.
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Postby Taco » Fri Oct 21, 2016 11:30 am

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That would appear to in fact be a meeting in China wearing Chinese national costume.
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