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Mandela Effect - OMG This will FREAK you all out!

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 28th, 2016, 10:33 am

I am too young to know anything about the news about Mandala before he went to prison. I remember news about Mandala being released from prison in the 1980's, and becoming president (or whatever the head of state is) in South Africa. I don't remember him dying.

If he had died as a prisoner, would the world have grieved him or even the nation before he became president? Sure, he got some media attention?

You know what, I've watched videos and read on webpages that say that Mandala was involved in killing innocent people in terrorist attacks. I used cntrl F on the wikipedia page for him and found nothing about him being involved in the bombings. It looks like a PR page for him. I am wondering if his image would have been as white washed had he died in 1983.




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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 28th, 2016, 10:42 am

Haha! Yeah, Starchild. The Mandala effect is explained by aliens working in cahoots with some old man in the US to confuse conspiracy theorists.

I think people remember Berenstain as spelled Berenstein because all the other names like that are spelled 'stein.'

I thought it was, "If you build it, they will come". Why? Because that was easy to mishear, and a bunch of baseball players appeared, not just one. I thought it was "Sex in the City" because it is pronounced about the same as "Sex and the City", and I only saw a few clips of the show and didn't pay it much attention.

I thought it was "Luke, I am your father" because I heard other kids say that.

I don't think there is one guy managing it. Most of these things are explained by the way our memories work.

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 28th, 2016, 11:31 am

This is weird. How many of you remember a version of reality where Walter Mondale was not president after Jimmy Carter's second term before t George H.W. Bush?

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 28th, 2016, 11:41 am

I don't remember seeing that little loop on the F on the Ford today, but maybe I had never noticed it. I would have guessed that 'Febreze' was 'Febreeze', but, I've never really looked at it that carefully. Why are so many of these effects things that we just don't really pay much attention to unless someone points it out? It seems like these are things we just don't notice.
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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by starchild5 » October 28th, 2016, 11:52 am

Its for Divide and Rule. Even Maps have changed I can remember it clearly, Cuba is way bigger now.

Winston is understanding this as they want it to be understood by some.

They are only changing few words to create confusion among Americans. As I mentioned in my videos, why are they not changing my bank account or go all the way and say Mohammad, I'm your father :lol:

They are not going ALL THE WAY else their game of Divide and Rule will not work. Which is what I have explained in the video. The minute changes are by design. They are VERY SMART. They are only changing small small words which can only be explained away by MEMORY as Winston says but NOT FOR EVERYONE. Thats the game here.

They want Winston to think...He is right others are not right and everything is due to memory issues.

I have looked it on both side. Mandela Effect is REAL but NOT REAL enough for EVERYONE TO BELIEVE IT...That's how incredibly smart these people are. They are only making changes that are debatable , not likely, explained away by false memory etc...

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by starchild5 » October 28th, 2016, 12:01 pm

MrMan wrote:This one is serious. Who else remembers 'the thinker' with his head to his forehead, rather than to his chin? Is there some other work of art, maybe a drawing, with the head to forehead pose?

I don't remember seeing that little loop on the F on the Ford today, but maybe I had never noticed it.
Yeah, Ford has a Pig Tail Now in F which was not present before. :D

Be careful though not to debate too much with your friends and family, because that is what they want DIVIDE AND RULE...They are not going all the way and changing it to CORD instead of FORD...but good change enough for some people to catch the change.

People who believe in Mandela effect are now been termed as Lunatic by main stream and even some conspiracy circles...BUT it is VERY REAL.

I have known about this even before this came like 10 years ago by reading Al beilik books who worked on Montauk Project...Now they have brought their Time Travel technology to a suitcase.

Remember, they only need to change the ORIGINAL everything else changes AUTOMATICALLY.

That is the key...For example..If they go back in time and change the name Winston to Winsten...everything will change AUTOMATICALLY... in this forum....even how you wrote the name of Winston...it will become Winsten but due to Physical density of objects it will take time but eventually everything will change to Winsten...That's how incredible time travel technology is...which people still think its just fancy movie stuff but American government actually has it due to the deal they made with Aliens to abduct Americans but they would look the other way... :shock:

America is not at all what Americans think it is...Its now been told that American government is the Alien one...I'm afraid...America will soon cease to exist along with other countries...The Aliens have no use now for majority of us

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 28th, 2016, 6:36 pm

I was joking about Carter's second term and Walter Mondale being president, of course :)

Here is a video about The Thinker. It seems like a reasonable explanation. When I was young, I think I remember one picture of The Thinker, and from certain angles, our minds may want to fill in a fist there to make the position seem more natural. Now, we can see The Thinker from various angles.

https://youtu.be/tdRxOFeZFuk

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 29th, 2016, 10:12 am

But that video doesn't explain the things in this post.

http://www.wildheretic.com/forum/viewto ... =433#p4949

There are several literary references to fist on forehead, along with references to the hand on the chin.

I looked it up, George Bernard Shaw posted in a picture, nude, in the same pose as The Thinker, using the 'old' pose of fist on forehead, and not the 'new' pose of hand on chin.

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 30th, 2016, 2:18 am

Does anyone else remember first to forehead?

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by Tsar » October 30th, 2016, 6:53 am

One time last Fall I remember being on my computer and looking at a certain gallery of illustrated Japanese images (18+) but the next morning when I went on my computer it was like that entire experience was a dream or happened in a dream. I could never find anything about those images or that gallery, even in my browser history and where certain images are stored just from browsing. But it was one of those things that was a memory and like I actually lived it and it happened in reality instead of being just a dream, so maybe I have some residual memories of time before the timeline was altered in some way that resulted in that gallery being erased from the timeline. I know it bothered me so much that I couldn't find it that I spent weeks non-stop going through thousands of galleries searching various terms and what happened was I came up completely empty. It doesn't exist but I remember looking at dozens of images because it was from a Japanese adult game and all those have a lot of illustrated images. So maybe it was the timeline being changed and that's one of the residual memories I have. Nothing else during that time seemed different to me except for that one thing. One night it was there then when I awoke the next morning nothing. It could have been just a lucid dream where I believed I was awake and viewing a lot of images in the dream, but it doesn't seem probable it was a dream because usually dreams have some sort of indicator that when you awake you know it was a dream. I still can't decide or say for certain if I was awake or if I was dreaming, but I do know the gallery doesn't exist or doesn't exist anymore if the timeline was changed and that was one of the side-effects.

Anytime that the timeline is changed it doesn't just change what was changed, any change in time also produces also of smaller changes across the entire world. So it's possible one of those smaller changes was the gallery was for some reason erased from the timeline. I still remember at least one dozen images from that gallery along with the characters and what they were wearing in some and the settings of certain images. How could that be a dream if I remember the details as well as I could recall any other similar artwork I viewed?

EDIT: Also, I remember I kept my computer on and my browser open. BUT!!! My Browser for some reason crashed and when I went to recover the web pages, that morning, the gallery was not brought up as one of the recovered tabs. So that's another interesting thing regarding that entire event.


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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 30th, 2016, 9:44 am

Tsar,

Most of these things can be explained with fairly straight-forward explanations. A lot of the 'Mandela Effect' things have to do with spelling. I noticed Froot Loops was not spelled Fruit Loops a few months ago. But I hadn't seen them in a long time, and it is possible that a newer design of the logo or box accentuated the 'oo's I hadn't noticed. I would have thought they were Fruit Loops. I ate them some as a kid, but never cared for how they can scrape and leave greese on the roof of my mouth. I didn't spend hours staring at the name on the box. I would have thought the Peanuts artist was Shultz rather than Shulz, but the latter is an unusual spelling so our minds could have filled in the other spelling. 'Febreze' should have an extra 'e' in it to fit with other spelling patterns. Our mind or memories may fill in the gaps for us to make the pattern make sense.

It could be that the Japanese porn cartoon or whatever it was, sight you were on went down for repairs. Maybe you had a private browser on by mistake and lost the links for that reason.

Remembering Mandela's funeral is a bit more tricky. I remember Mandela making a trip to the US and black women chanting 'Mandela' emotional, amost like they were about to cry. I also remember a MLK memorial and his widow speaking. Could someone have confused these news reports?

And before jumping to the conclusions about time travel, people trading places with dopplgangers from other worlds because of quantum computer experiments, or things like that, or that we are in the matrix and the AI messed it up a bit, wouldn't it make more sense to think there is a non-sci-fi conspiracy theory, if we have to have a conspiracy theory? How about the idea that there was a fake news broadcast about Mandela as some sort of social science experiment? Or how about the idea that Google or some powerful government entity has photoshopped all The Thinker pictures, but not most of the literary references to it (many of which mention head to fist), as an experiment to see how easily the masses are influenced to forget facts with the proper stimuli?

I had a theory that the picture of the Thinker I saw was in such an unnatural position that my mind put the fist on the forehead to make the image more natural. But the current version of it does not have a clenched fist. As of yesterday morning my time, Wikipedia had a quote about the clenched fist in The Thinker. It was not up last night. George Berhard Shaw, posed fist to forhead (what I call the 'old' pose of The Thinker) mimicking the Thinker. The Rodin museum even said he was posing as The Thinker. The page has a miniature Thinker with the hand to mouth position, while showing George Bernard Shaw doing the 'old' position of the Thinker, fist to forehead.

I found a few quotes from literature referring Rodin's The Thinker position as fist to forehead. There are pictures of people standing by versions of statue making a fist-to-forehead pose while the statue there is doing the 'new' hand to mouth pose.

I liked the old statue, too. And in my recollection, that was the pose, and I seem to recall thinking that I would just put my face in my hand to think. The version of the sculpture I remember was more interesting, IMO.

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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by Winston » October 30th, 2016, 3:43 pm

MrMan wrote:Does anyone else remember first to forehead?
No i remember that thinker statue as always having the hand on the chin. Sorry. Lol.

I agree that 99 percent of these mandela effects are due to inaccurate memory or mix ups. But there are a few genuine mysteries, so there may be some truth to it after all. Such as the missing dolly braces in moonraker, which everyone remembers and is even referenced on james bond websites. But is now gone from all video copies of the film.

I do remember jiffy peanut butter. I remember seeing it on supermarket shelves. But now its gone from reality. Does anyone else here remember jiffy peanut butter?

Btw MrMan, since youre a Christian, some are now saying that bible verses are being changed by the mandela effect too. For instance there is a verse in Isaiah about the lion lying down with the lamb. Its even referenced in literature and images. But now that verse reads "the wolf shall lie with the lamb". Strange. Lol
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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by Winston » October 30th, 2016, 3:57 pm

Tsar,
Im not sure thats a mandela effect. Websites change all the time. The owner or webmaster may have updated the site and removed that gallery. Or you simply dont remember the site name so you can google it. There are probably many sites with anime galleries. But yeah ive had similar experiences too. Ive seen the same movie twice only to find that the scenes i remember are no longer there.

For example, I remember at the end of The Wizard of Oz, that Dorothy still had her red slippers when she returned to kansas. But thats not what the movie shows. Strange. Lol

I gotta wonder though, if something is changing the past, then why arent our memories changed with it? Maybe our memories are quantum based and lie outside of time and space, and so arent affected by altered timelines? Lol.

Also why cant something big be changed? Like one day we wake up and suddenly find that the JFK assassination never happened or 9/11 never occurred? Lol. Then that would be something. Not trivial spelling changes. Lol
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Re: OMG This will FREAK you all out! INEXPLICABLE Mandela Ef

Post by MrMan » October 30th, 2016, 5:14 pm

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About The Thinker, I've spent a bit of time searching Google Books and I've come across references, probably 5 to 8 or so, of people describing explicitly or hinting that The Thinker is in a fist to forehead pose. George Bernard Shaw did a photo imitating The Thinker doing a Fist to Forehead pose, and the Rodin museum says it is in The Thinker position. I've read or seen responses from people who have seen the statue who remember both positions. I talked to a couple who saw the one in Paris, and one couldn't remember if it was head or chin, and the other said chin. To me this is weird because I really remember the forehead pose. But I suppose there could be something about the statue, maybe the odd pose, that makes us think that the fist is on the forehead, but that wouldn't completely explain Shaw's pose.

The Thinker pose could just be something a certain segment of us remembered wrong. It could be that there are numerous statues, quotes, etc. that a certain percentage of us would remember the same way, wrongly, without some kind of esoteric explanation. It could have to do with a certain percentage of people's brains tend to categorize information. It could be movie quotes or shapes of statues that do not 'make sense' to certain individuals.

As far as Bible verses go, most of those Mandela Effect theories don't seem compelling at all. I suppose the lion/wolf thing is the most compelling. I had a conversation with someone maybe a year ago where I said that the lion lying down with the lamb isn't actually in the Bible, and someone said it was a line from an old hymn. A Mandela effect apologist would use the hymn as evidence for 'residual' from their time line. But the more straightforward explanation is that there is a Bible-esque saying about the lion lying down from the lamb which may come from that hymn.

Most of the other Bible mandela effects seem like non issues to me. It seems like most of them come from mixing up Gospels or translations. I thought it was odd when someone pointed out that Genesis 1:1 doesn't say that God created 'the heavens and the earth' any more and says 'heaven and the earth' in the KJV. I thought it said 'heavens.' But I was exposed quite a bit to the NIV growing up and to the NKJV in later years. Both of these translate the word as 'heaven.'

Some people get bent out of shape about 'bottles' being used instead of wineskins. I memorized those verses as a teen and it said 'bottles' in the KJV and 'wineskins' in the NIV and some of the newer translations. People get translations mixed up and attribute it to the Mandela effect. Or they point to 'debtors' in the Lord's prayer in Matthew, instead of 'trespasses', not bothering to realize that another Gospel in the Bible says 'tresspasses' and that that was the prayer in Anglican liturgy. I'd memorized the prayer out of Matthew and went to an event once where some Methodists prayed the liturgical version of it. I prayed 'debtors' and they prayed 'tresspasses.' The Gospel authors were explaining and translating the words of Christ, probably originally spoken in Hebrew or Aramaic.

I'm not buying in to the multiverse theory at this point. I do notice that Dante's The Thinker is connected to 'The Divine Comedy' and the fact that the hand appears to have moved, all throughout time, from forehead to chin, with plenty of references to the forehead in literature, does seem like a big joke. But I dare not accuse the All Mighty. The memories of us humans are fallible.

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