globetrotter wrote:Winston, why do you assume a carrier deck firefighter is an Authority? That makes no sense. His opinion is meaningless here.
I post science, KE formula and schematics.
You post someones opinion.
I simply don't know what to say to your repetitions of other people's bad opinions, lacking in science.
Go take a look at air show flyby's as commercial jets fly over head at 300 or 400 or 500 mph.
Go look at a fighter jet video as it flies overhead at 800 mph 50 feet off the ground
The space Shuttle lands at 225 to 300 mph as it approaches the ground. If that aerodynamic brick can do so then a commercial jetliner can do so as well.
Show me the 'authority' that states the following:
"But you can't explain how the 757 could move at 500mph at 20 feet off the ground."
Of course I can. Show me where it is proven impossible. 757 are designed for a max airspeed of 520 mph for sustained, stable flight. Now, if you don't care to land, or don't care that you are placing undue stress upon the airframe, then you can fly that speed in denser air at sea level for a short period of time.
Ever landed a plane? I have. You know what happens when you get closer to the ground that one wingspan? Compressed air keeps you from descending closer. It acts as a buffer keeping you off the ground. At 520 mph that would be a great way to stay just off the ground.
-That a 757-223 cannot move at 500 mph 20 feet off the ground. Show me the experts.
-Where does anyone claim that the 757 did 'acrobatic maneuvers like spiral loops at 500mph.'? It did this miles away at a lower speed.
- Prove that someone with no training cannot fly a 757. All it takes is max throttle and point. I can do that. Anyone can fly a plane straight. Landing, taking off and banking per traffic control instructions are what is difficult.
Because it points out the errors in your assumption that a 757 hit the Pentagon at 500mph.
I have quoted many expert pilots, NORAD directors, FAA experts, etc. Did that matter to you? NO!
Your formulas do not prove that the 757 did what it did at the Pentagon. Nor did you solve the numerous problems in it.
You also quoted from a discredited website full of errors and propaganda, which quoted ANONYMOUS pilots. Compare that with these REAL PILOTS WHO HAVE GIVEN THEIR FULL NAME AND STATEMENTS!
http://www.patriotsquestion911.com/pilots.html
http://www.mindfully.org/Reform/2006/91 ... 3jun06.htm
A fighter jet is NOT the same as a 757!!!!!!! MY GOD! Don't you realize that?!?!??!!? THEY ARE NOT THE SAME!
Fighter jets can do acrobatic maneuvers. 757's can't. The expert Robin Hordon explained it in the clips above I posted!
Did you watch it? GO WATCH THOSE CLIPS FIRST. Then come back with your points.
You can't tell the difference between a fighter jet and 757?
The manuevers and speed are documented by the NTSB. Look it up. It's official. We are going by what they say and what the radar showed.
I already quoted the experts to you in the past, BY NAME too. You erased them from your memory. Now i have to repeat them? Alright, but do not forget this time ok?!
PAY ATTENTION THIS TIME SO I DON'T HAVE TO REPEAT THIS.
Captain Russ Wittenburg, 30 years of experience flying airlines:
Capt. Russ Wittenberg, U.S. Air Force – Retired commercial pilot. Flew for Pan Am and United Airlines for 35 years. Aircraft flown: Boeing 707, 720, 727, 737, 747, 757, 767, and 777. 30,000+ total hours flown. Had previously flown the actual two United Airlines aircraft that were hijacked on 9/11 (Flight 93, which impacted in Pennsylvania, and Flight 175, the second plane to hit the WTC). Former U.S. Air Force fighter pilot with over 100 combat missions.
Video interview 9/11 Ripple Effect 8/07:
"I flew the two actual aircraft which were involved in 9/11; the Fight number 175 and Flight 93, the 757 that allegedly went down in Shanksville and Flight 175 is the aircraft that's alleged to have hit the South Tower. I don't believe it's possible for, like I said, for a terrorist, a so-called terrorist to train on a [Cessna] 172, then jump in a cockpit of a 757-767 class cockpit, and vertical navigate the aircraft, lateral navigate the aircraft, and fly the airplane at speeds exceeding it's design limit speed by well over 100 knots, make high-speed high-banked turns, exceeding -- pulling probably 5, 6, 7 G's. And the aircraft would literally fall out of the sky. I couldn't do it and I'm absolutely positive they couldn't do it." http://americanbuddhist.net
Article 7/17/05:
"The government story they handed us about 9/11 is total B.S. plain and simple." … Wittenberg convincingly argued there was absolutely no possibility that Flight 77 could have "descended 7,000 feet in two minutes, all the while performing a steep 280 degree banked turn before crashing into the Pentagon's first floor wall without touching the lawn."…
"For a guy to just jump into the cockpit and fly like an ace is impossible - there is not one chance in a thousand," said Wittenberg, recalling that when he made the jump from Boeing 727's to the highly sophisticated computerized characteristics of the 737's through 767's it took him considerable time to feel comfortable flying."
http://www.arcticbeacon.com
Audio Interview 9/16/04: Regarding Flight 77, which allegedly hit the Pentagon.
"The airplane could not have flown at those speeds which they said it did without going into what they call a high speed stall. The airplane won’t go that fast if you start pulling those high G maneuvers at those bank angles. … To expect this alleged airplane to run these maneuvers with a total amateur at the controls is simply ludicrous...
It’s roughly a 100 ton airplane. And an airplane that weighs 100 tons all assembled is still going to have 100 tons of disassembled trash and parts after it hits a building. There was no wreckage from a 757 at the Pentagon. … The vehicle that hit the Pentagon was not Flight 77. We think, as you may have heard before, it was a cruise missile." http://911underground.com
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Here's another expert, who is named and WAY more qualified than you in flying!
PAY ATTENTION.
http://www.opednews.com/articles/genera ... _gun__.htm
U.S. Navy 'Top Gun' Pilot Questions 9/11
by Alan Miller Page 1 of 1 page(s)
September 5, 2007 - U.S. Navy Top Gun pilot, Commander Ralph Kolstad, started questioning the official account of 9/11 within days of the event. It just didnt make any sense to me, he said. And now 6 years after 9/11 he says, When one starts using his own mind, and not what one was told, there is very little to believe in the official story.
Now retired, Commander Kolstad was a top-rated fighter pilot during his 20-year Navy career. Early in his career, he was accorded the honor of being selected to participate in the Navys Top Gun air combat school, officially known as the U.S. Navy Fighter Weapons School. The Tom Cruise movie, Top Gun reflects the experience of the young Navy pilots at the school. Eleven years later, Commander Kolstad was further honored by being selected to become a Top Gun adversary instructor. While in the Navy, he flew F-4 Phantoms, A-4 Skyhawks, and F-14 Tomcats and completed 250 aircraft carrier landings.
Commander Kolstad had a second career after his 20 years of Navy active and reserve service and served as a commercial airline pilot for 27 years, flying for American Airlines and other domestic and international careers. He flew Boeing 727, 757 and 767, McDonnell Douglas MD-80, and Fokker F-100 airliners. He has flown a total of over 23,000 hours in his career.
Commander Kolstad is especially critical of the account of American Airlines Flight 77 that allegedly crashed into the Pentagon. He says, At the Pentagon, the pilot of the Boeing 757 did quite a feat of flying. I have 6,000 hours of flight time in Boeing 757s and 767s and I could not have flown it the way the flight path was described.
Commander Kolstad adds, I was also a Navy fighter pilot and Air Combat Instructor and have experience flying low altitude, high speed aircraft. I could not have done what these beginners did. Something stinks to high heaven!
He points to the physical evidence at the Pentagon impact site and asks in exasperation, Where is the damage to the wall of the Pentagon from the wings? Where are the big pieces that always break away in an accident? Where is all the luggage? Where are the miles and miles of wire, cable, and lines that are part and parcel of any large aircraft? Where are the steel engine parts? Where is the steel landing gear? Where is the tail section that would have broken into large pieces?
So, one of the world's best pilots says he CANNOT duplicate the maneuvers of Flight 77, and that it's not possible. What does that tell you?
If you watch the damn clips I posted above, you'd see many more EXPERTS AND AUTHORITIES! WATCH THE FRICKING FILM! STOP MAKING EXCUSES! ALL THE EXPERTS AND INFO IS THERE! WATCH THE FILM!
