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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by Kaleras » April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm

Good point about free speech. Americans have the highest number of Protestant Christians, but I doubt most of them are true Christians. It seems that here, many people learn about God but still end up rejecting Him, whereas many people in other countries never hear of Him in the first place.

Aren't there many Protestant Christians across the world, though? Or do they have slightly different beliefs from American Christians? Like believing a person can lose salvation?

I thought that it might be easier to live an authentic and perhaps even less sinful life in some other countries because in America, there are so many incentives to do evil. For example, how women are incentivized to turn against their husbands. People are encouraged to be gay, do drugs, watch porn, and never get married and start families. If a person disagrees with this, they might find themselves ostracized from others. I know other countries are experiencing these problems as well, but America seems to be suffering the most from them. I wonder how many people lose their faith because of these issues who would have otherwise kept it if they were in a different environment? I know that you can't lose salvation, but what if someone ends up on the wrong path in life due to some of the above issues and they no longer believe in God? I guess that just means their faith was never very strong to begin with.

Sadly, our "culture" is rapidly spreading across the world, and there's not much we can do about it.




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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by Adama » April 7th, 2018, 3:05 pm

Kaleras wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm
Good point about free speech. Americans have the highest number of Protestant Christians, but I doubt most of them are true Christians. It seems that here, many people learn about God but still end up rejecting Him, whereas many people in other countries never hear of Him in the first place.
Being a protestant is not going to help anyone. Protestants are just a lighter version of Catholics. There is little difference. People with a Catholic background only think of these two divisions: Catholic and Protestant. However, neither is valid.

Christianity is not protesting against the Catholic church. Christianity utterly rejects everything that is Catholic. Catholicism is pure idolatry, and her daughters, the Protestant religions are simply lighter versions. They didn't wash away all of the false doctrine, just some of it.

Protestant religions still teach work salvation and many other false doctrines.

As for foreign countries, probably the only countries in real trouble are the Muslim countries. All other countries have Christian missionaries being sent through them. Only a small percentage of humanity will ever get saved regardless, unfortunately, whether they are in "Christian" nations or not.
Kaleras wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm
Aren't there many Protestant Christians across the world, though? Or do they have slightly different beliefs from American Christians? Like believing a person can lose salvation?
Being a protestant doesn't save anyone. Being a Christian is what saves a person. A person can get saved anywhere in the world. As for finding a church that has the right doctrine, that may prove difficult outside of the USA. Most of the world has an apostate form of Christianity; most of Christianity is not true Christianity but the heresy of work salvation.
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April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm
I thought that it might be easier to live an authentic and perhaps even less sinful life in some other countries because in America, there are so many incentives to do evil.
A Christian must learn to disregard and ignore the traditions, practices and beliefs of the surrounding country. The whole world might be doing things, but as the Bible says, As for me and my house, we will serve the Lord. It doesn't matter what the nation is doing. It matters what the individual Christian believer is doing with and for himself. He cannot let what other people do affect him or keep him from doing what is right in the eyes of God.

Basically a man can walk after the counsel and rules of greater society, or he can walk after the counsel of God. There may come a choice.

Also, other countries are much more liberal with sexuality than the USA. It's truly unbelievable what Europe, Japan, Thailand and Brazil are up to. I wouldn't say the USA is the worst.
Kaleras wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm
For example, how women are incentivized to turn against their husbands.
The husband has the same authority over the wife as the father over his daughter. Any woman who disobeys or removes a man's children from him is really destroying herself. The family belongs to the man. That's why it is called by his last name. That's why she has this name. Everything is his. If she destroys it, that means she has destroyed herself, because she's taken away everything that belongs to the man, which is a grievous thing. It is just that society has taught women that this is okay. They are following the wrong set of rules to their own destruction.
Kaleras wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm
People are encouraged to be gay, do drugs, watch porn, and never get married and start families.
We've already discussed homosexuality. As for the next two on your list, God is able to get people saved despite those things, and He will call them back from those things.

As for never getting married, even Paul the Apostle refused to do that. However, to avoid fornication, people should marry.
Kaleras wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm
If a person disagrees with this, they might find themselves ostracized from others.
I don't worry about what other people are doing with their lives so much. I don't concern myself with it. Personally I'm not a pastor, and in judging others, I risk condemning myself, as per Romans chapter 2.
Kaleras wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm
I know other countries are experiencing these problems as well, but America seems to be suffering the most from them. I wonder how many people lose their faith because of these issues who would have otherwise kept it if they were in a different environment? I know that you can't lose salvation, but what if someone ends up on the wrong path in life due to some of the above issues and they no longer believe in God? I guess that just means their faith was never very strong to begin with.
Once a person gets saved, they are then a child of God. He will not disinherit them. However, for any sin, He can either punish them or pass over that transgression. Christ always abides faithful to us. My suggestion is to read Matthew 13. It explains the different types of believers: that some fall away and that some become unfruitful.
Kaleras wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 12:43 pm
Sadly, our "culture" is rapidly spreading across the world, and there's not much we can do about it.
It doesn't matter. All gifts are from God. Our portion in this life is given to us by God. Also, if a person has faith in Christ and gotten saved, that means that that person has overcome the world already. Because in order to believe in Christ, a man must have overcome all of the disinformation and distraction meant to cause people to doubt Christ's existence, and meant to keep that person from getting saved. So anyone who believes in Christ has already overcome the world.

Probably the worst thing about American culture is feminism. Feminism will destroy any woman who subscribes to it and practices it. Poor women really don't know. It appeals to the greedy lust of the female ego: the whole idea of female rule and dominance. But women were not meant to rule over their husbands. Poor women. They were meant to obey and submit, and if they rebel and attempt to rule over their husbands, they have become rebels against Christ. The woman can no more rule over her husband than a daughter can rule over her father, and no more than a man can rule over his Maker. The man is the head of the woman just as Christ is the head of the man. Rebellious women are in for a serious surprise because they live by the rules of the atheist rulers of society. A woman cannot be a feminist and a Christian.
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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by Jonny Law » April 7th, 2018, 5:20 pm

NEWSFLASH
CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GROWING!
CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT ALLOW WOMEN TO BE PRIESTS!

"It was likewise reported that from 2005-2014, the growth of the Catholic populace jumped from 1.12 billion to 1.27 billion."

Catholic Population showed that Catholics have grown from an estimated 291 million in 1910 to nearly 1.1 billion as of 2010.


Read more at World Religion News: "Is the Catholic Church Experiencing Exponential Growth or Declining?" https://www.worldreligionnews.com/?p=24535

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... PPJh1Z4qOY

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by Adama » April 7th, 2018, 5:34 pm

Jonny Law wrote:
April 7th, 2018, 5:20 pm
NEWSFLASH
CATHOLIC CHURCH IS GROWING!
CATHOLIC CHURCH DOES NOT ALLOW WOMEN TO BE PRIESTS!

"It was likewise reported that from 2005-2014, the growth of the Catholic populace jumped from 1.12 billion to 1.27 billion."

Catholic Population showed that Catholics have grown from an estimated 291 million in 1910 to nearly 1.1 billion as of 2010.


Read more at World Religion News: "Is the Catholic Church Experiencing Exponential Growth or Declining?" https://www.worldreligionnews.com/?p=24535

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont ... PPJh1Z4qOY

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No disrespect to the poor Catholics of the world, but it's rather meaningless to say the Catholic church has grown. It is not so different from saying that the number of NFL spectators has grown.

Why? Because the Catholic doctrine does not lead to a person being born again; a person is not reborn into God's Kingdom by believing Catholic doctrine; there is no regeneration of the person's soul through the Catholic faith.

Even the current Pope himself states that belief in God is unnecessary, and he also believes that a relationship with Christ is dangerous. This is the leader of the Catholic people, and somehow this escapes them, that this man is not righteous, not saved, and that the Spirit of God does not dwell in him. It is an apostate religion. It really is a religion for non-believers, not so different from those who follow the Dalai Lama.
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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by Adama » April 12th, 2018, 3:19 am

Another thing, real Christianity never protested against the Catholic church. Christianity didn't splinter off from Catholicism. It never had anything to do with Catholicism. Any Protestant church is one that is protesting against some false doctrines of the Catholic church. However, they are still mostly Catholic.

Real Christianity was always under persecution. Real Christianity was always by faith alone, which is a doctrine considered heresy by Catholicism. Christianity didn't splinter off; neither is it protesting against Catholicism. Catholicism is the vain doctrine of men. Christianity, the true faith, was always underground, so as to avoid persecution (torture, burning at the stake, etc).

Christianity was always around. It just wasn't a super multinational corporation. Catholicism is simply the religion that "won" and conquered, that was supported by the state.

Remember, even in the time and book of Jeremiah, he was pleading with the people to return to God, but they insisted on making offerings to "The Queen of Heaven," for which they went away into captivity, to Babylon. In other words, God took them out of the promised land because they worshiped false gods. Catholicism even calls Mary the Queen of Heaven. So you can see, this false religion has been taught to unbelievers for a long time, even before Christ, just under a different name.
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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by Neo » December 9th, 2018, 11:42 pm

Some people regard the Pope with the reverence which should be reserved only for Christ. Also, the Pope doesn't require faith in God to be a Catholic.

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by redfeather » December 10th, 2018, 4:11 am

The Orthodox church is the only church that is traceable back to Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles. The Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church split in 1054 because the Catholic Church wanted to have a supreme Pope over the entire Church, and we Orthodox said no we will not allow this because this is not the way that Jesus Christ established his church. Orthodox also allow our Priest to be married and have a wife and children, and the Catholic Church does not. Orthodox believe in the Triune which is The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Orthodox is the Ancient Faith. I am Orthodox.

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by Neo » December 10th, 2018, 4:24 am

redfeather wrote:
December 10th, 2018, 4:11 am
The Orthodox church is the only church that is traceable back to Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles. The Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church split in 1054 because the Catholic Church wanted to have a supreme Pope over the entire Church, and we Orthodox said no we will not allow this because this is not the way that Jesus Christ established his church. Orthodox also allow our Priest to be married and have a wife and children, and the Catholic Church does not. Orthodox believe in the Triune which is The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Orthodox is the Ancient Faith. I am Orthodox.
According to the Orthodox church, what must a person do to obtain eternal life?

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by redfeather » December 10th, 2018, 4:41 am

Epistle Reading: Galatians 2:16-20

Knowing that a man is not justified by works of the Law, but through faith in Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, in order to be justified by faith in Christ, and not by works of the Law, because by works of the Law shall no one be justified . . . For through the Law I have died to the Law, that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ; it is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me; and the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me - Gal 2:16-17, 19-20.

https://www.goarch.org/-/how-are-we-saved-

This is what we Orthodox believe.

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by gsjackson » December 10th, 2018, 4:42 am

redfeather wrote:
December 10th, 2018, 4:11 am
The Orthodox church is the only church that is traceable back to Jesus Christ and his twelve apostles. The Orthodox Church and the Catholic Church split in 1054 because the Catholic Church wanted to have a supreme Pope over the entire Church, and we Orthodox said no we will not allow this because this is not the way that Jesus Christ established his church. Orthodox also allow our Priest to be married and have a wife and children, and the Catholic Church does not. Orthodox believe in the Triune which is The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Orthodox is the Ancient Faith. I am Orthodox.
Weren't you a Mormon at one point? Or was that an ex-wife?

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by redfeather » December 10th, 2018, 5:07 am

That was an ex-wife. Do we know each other?

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by Neo » December 10th, 2018, 5:30 am

Apparently that website is a lot more confusing than it seems.

It goes from salvation is by faith alone, then it goes into keeping the commandments, then at the end it says it is by faith alone again.

I also found this nugget of bad information: "What is the event at which salvation truly takes hold? Baptism!"

I don't know if more than one person wrote that essay, but it seems someone is confused.

Another:
"Otherwise, according to Paul, those who commit sinful acts and do not repent of them--and he names them: fornication, idolatry, sorcery, selfishness, drunkenness, carousing, and the like--“will not inherit the kingdom of God” (Gal 5:21; see also 1 Cor 6:9-11). In other words, those who do such things, including Christians to whom he is writing, will suffer ultimate loss of salvation."

Salvation can never be lost.

Whoever wrote up that essay lacks knowledge of how salvation works. Salvation is not by works, therefore it cannot be lost. There is no work that can cause it to be lost; just as there were no works that earned it. It is a gift, and He will not take it away. What can be taken away is the person's life or peace, etc., but not their salvation. For example, both Noah and Lot drank alcohol. They didn't lose their salvation, but bad things happened to them as a result.

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by gsjackson » December 10th, 2018, 5:53 am

redfeather wrote:
December 10th, 2018, 5:07 am
That was an ex-wife. Do we know each other?
No. One of your posts mentioned it.

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Re: Poor Catholics Don't Know...

Post by redfeather » December 10th, 2018, 6:08 am

Oh, I think I did mention that in a post.

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