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Christian Gnosticism & The Lost Gospels - Hidden Esoteric Teachings of Jesus Banned by the Early Church?

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Re: Gnosticism, Hermeticism, Esoteric Ancient Teachings of Mystery Schools

Post by Adama » December 2nd, 2017, 10:33 pm

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Any time there is a character called Lucy, you should consider that they are really giving glory to their god Lucifer. It's quite obvious, unless you are a willfully blind "truth seeker."
What about lucille ball or the "I love lucy show" back in the 60s? Was that luciferian too? If so how? Lol. Or just innocent comedy and slapstick? Lol

Btw its funny that one of the chimps that was claimed to be a missing link was also named Lucy, before it was debunked.
Have you noticed that that show was based upon a woman deceiving her husband, playing games, and otherwise being disobedient? That may have been part of the training for women to learn how to model after this behavior. TV is like a slow push toward greater and greater evil.

They also say this is what illuminated means also. So all those groups that claim to be illuminated probably really are talking about Lucifer, who is supposed to be associated with bearing the light, but they think he is the source of light.
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Re: Christian Gnosticism - Hidden Esoteric Teachings of Jesus Banned by Catholic Church?

Post by Winston » May 10th, 2019, 2:34 pm

Playlist of a 5 part short video series called "Secret Quest" from a modern Gnostic Movement (www.gnosticmovement.com) introducing Gnosticism for newbies. The young brunette girl narrating it is very cute and looks very spiritual and wholesome, so different than typical modern American girls. I wish I could date someone like her. :)

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... onlX7zqyUf

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Here is part 1:



To visit their website:

http://www.gnosticmovement.com

You can see more videos and instructional courses on their website at:

https://rememberingthegnosticmovement.com/video/

https://rememberingthegnosticmovement.c ... -gnostics/

Btw, if you look at all the people in the videos above, you will notice something I've said before, that all people who are into higher truth and higher consciousness and esoteric truth, are either WHITE or EAST INDIAN. You don't see any Orientals like Chinese, Japanese, Cantonese or Taiwanese into those things, they are only interested in making money and practical things. lol. Click here and you will see what I mean:

https://rememberingthegnosticmovement.com/video/

So you see, I was right. It's just a simple fact, not racist at all. Why does no one else but me have the guts to point out stuff like this? So weird. Why is it so hard to have guts to mention something so obviously openly? Why is everyone else so scared to point out anything like this? It's not racist or stereotyping, just truth, obvious and apparent truth and patterns. What is everyone's problem?
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Re: Christian Gnosticism & The Lost Gospels - Hidden Esoteric Teachings of Jesus Banned by the Early Church?

Post by Neo » May 10th, 2019, 3:08 pm

The Gnostic gospels are false, and are not consistent in doctrine with the real Bible. They try to imitate the Bible, but very soon after you start reading, if you know enough about the Bible, it becomes clear.

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Re: Christian Gnosticism & The Lost Gospels - Hidden Esoteric Teachings of Jesus Banned by the Early Church?

Post by Winston » May 10th, 2019, 3:34 pm

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The Gnostic gospels are false, and are not consistent in doctrine with the real Bible. They try to imitate the Bible, but very soon after you start reading, if you know enough about the Bible, it becomes clear.
But they ring true with a lot of people. And the theology in them makes more sense than the standard Christian theology. You do know that the mainstream Christian theology makes no sense and contains countless contradictions right? Many critics of the Bible, not just atheists, have pointed that out, including great writers like Mark Twain, Thomas Paine, etc. Because Christianity makes no sense when taken literally, for many reasons that no Christian can refute. The Bible is certainly not infallible either - that's a modern American teaching that is only a century old, and not part of traditional Christianity even. Ask any European historian about that. The Christianity you were raised with is an AMERICAN invention and not the Christianity of the last 2000 years. In fact, for the first 75 percent of Church history, Christians did not even have any Bible to worship. They tried to find the God or Jesus within themselves, or through the Church.

My point is that since mainstream Christian theology, especially the one created by Paul, makes no sense at all and is full of contradictions that cannot be resolved, there is nothing wrong with looking at alternative forms of Christianity or spirituality, such as Gnosticism. Especially when Gnosticism makes more sense in some ways. It has an explanation why this world is unfair and is a prison planet of suffering. The orthodox Christian theology does not, except to claim that it's all because of the Fall in the Garden of Eden just because Adam and Eve ate the wrong fruit, which makes no sense, and must be metaphorical.

So you cannot claim that your religion is true either, anymore than Gnosticism can. Gnosticism makes more sense in many ways. It also does not contain a hateful judgmental God that sends people to hell either. It's also more fair in its treatment of women either. And acknowledges mother nature as a goddess or divine too. It also acknowledges reincarnation too, which is supported by many modern documented cases that cannot be dismissed. So in many ways, Gnosticism better fits reality than mainstream Christian theology does.

Something to consider and keep in mind.

You can't just reject something just because it doesn't fit your beliefs. That's closed minded and fundamentalist.
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Re: Christian Gnosticism & The Lost Gospels - Hidden Esoteric Teachings of Jesus Banned by the Early Church?

Post by Winston » May 10th, 2019, 3:57 pm

Wow check out this Gnosticism documentary series made in Britain in 1987. It's very good and contains eloquent poetic diatribes and monologues. I can't believe they made a documentary about such a rare subject back then. Part 2 is about the Cathars, a Gnostic sect in medieval France that were massacred and wiped out for their "heresies" against the Catholic Church even though they were nonviolent vegetarians. Go figure. This documentary series also features a younger looking Elaine Pagels too, who is one of the foremost authors and academic experts on Gnosticism and the Lost Gospels.

Here is the playlist to all four parts.

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=P ... McvzXXCu8f

Here is part 1.

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Re: Christian Gnosticism & The Lost Gospels - Hidden Esoteric Teachings of Jesus Banned by the Early Church?

Post by Neo » May 10th, 2019, 4:13 pm

Winston wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 3:34 pm
Neo wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 3:08 pm
The Gnostic gospels are false, and are not consistent in doctrine with the real Bible. They try to imitate the Bible, but very soon after you start reading, if you know enough about the Bible, it becomes clear.
But they ring true with a lot of people. And the theology in them makes more sense than the standard Christian theology. You do know that the mainstream Christian theology makes no sense and contains countless contradictions right? Many critics of the Bible, not just atheists, have pointed that out, including great writers like Mark Twain, Thomas Paine, etc. Because Christianity makes no sense when taken literally, for many reasons that no Christian can refute. The Bible is certainly not infallible either - that's a modern American teaching that is only a century old, and not part of traditional Christianity even. Ask any European historian about that. The Christianity you were raised with is an AMERICAN invention and not the Christianity of the last 2000 years. In fact, for the first 75 percent of Church history, Christians did not even have any Bible to worship. They tried to find the God or Jesus within themselves, or through the Church.

My point is that since mainstream Christian theology, especially the one created by Paul, makes no sense at all and is full of contradictions that cannot be resolved, there is nothing wrong with looking at alternative forms of Christianity or spirituality, such as Gnosticism. Especially when Gnosticism makes more sense in some ways. It has an explanation why this world is unfair and is a prison planet of suffering. The orthodox Christian theology does not, except to claim that it's all because of the Fall in the Garden of Eden just because Adam and Eve ate the wrong fruit, which makes no sense, and must be metaphorical.

So you cannot claim that your religion is true either, anymore than Gnosticism can. Gnosticism makes more sense in many ways. It also does not contain a hateful judgmental God that sends people to hell either. It's also more fair in its treatment of women either. And acknowledges mother nature as a goddess or divine too. It also acknowledges reincarnation too, which is supported by many modern documented cases that cannot be dismissed. So in many ways, Gnosticism better fits reality than mainstream Christian theology does.

Something to consider and keep in mind.

You can't just reject something just because it doesn't fit your beliefs. That's closed minded and fundamentalist.

If a person believes that Satan is the good guy, and that God is not, then Gnosticism may sound appropriate to them. A person who thinks God is hateful, when He is very merciful, is likely to accept Gnosticism.

If the Gnostic doctrine is inconsistent with Christianity, then a Christian must reject it.

As for the Bible not being available, it was restricted by the false church known as the Catholic Church. However, even the apostles of the time of Christ had access to the Old Testament. It is called the Septuagint.

As for people getting sent to hell, that is a personal choice. Accept Christ or reject Him. Really easy. Most people haven't figured out, that this life is not the final destination. This life is a test of the purity of the person's soul. Everything a person does reveals what type of person they are. For those who are good, God reveals salvation to them. For those who choose to live by hatred, choosing it instead of love, mercy and kindness, they may never receive salvation. Because if a person wants mercy, they must show mercy to their fellow humans. But also, blasphemy against God to the point where He is likened to His opposite may also destroy someone (because God is pure light and righteousness), just as worshiping false gods and refusing to believe in Christ can lead to destruction.

The King James makes perfect sense and there is nothing inconsistent within it. The problem is that unbelievers cannot understand it.

I went to Catholic school for 12 years of my life, rarely ever went to church except for during school on Catholic holidays. I never got saved until I was in my 30s a few years ago. So if I was brainwashed, it was to be Catholic. However, if I were to identify myself, I'd be a fundamentalist (but I'd be rejected by some because I still watch TV and movies).

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Re: Christian Gnosticism & The Lost Gospels - Hidden Esoteric Teachings of Jesus Banned by the Early Church?

Post by Neo » May 10th, 2019, 4:27 pm

Winston wrote:
May 10th, 2019, 3:34 pm
It has an explanation why this world is unfair and is a prison planet of suffering. The orthodox Christian theology does not, except to claim that it's all because of the Fall in the Garden of Eden just because Adam and Eve ate the wrong fruit, which makes no sense, and must be metaphorical.
The story informs us that man has the knowledge of good and the knowledge of evil. In other words, after that forbidden fruit was eaten, man was no longer locked in to only doing good. After that, humans have a choice, because they have the knowledge of both good and evil, and that is the choice. Will a person choose to do good and therefore be a good person? Or will they choose to do evil and therefore become an evil person? That is the choice and that is where free will comes into play. It is a person's free will choice to do good and be like God, who is holy, just, and merciful. Or to do evil, and become a child of the wicked one.

There is salvation available to everyone. However, after a certain point, a person becomes reprobate if they continue on with evil. Choose good and God reveals salvation to that person. Choose evil and that person condemns himself or herself. Because God finds the things that evil people do detestable, and He will not invite many of them to live with Him in the true life where the true riches and true glory are.

In essence, after the Fall, this life became a test to determine the character of every person born.

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