That's an erroneous assumption. Every person is a sinner. It is just a matter of how deep. How are they sinners? Because they are not God and when Adam committed sin, we all became sinners. That's hard to believe but that's how it is. If you can't accept that people are inherently sinful then you may believe that you're a god.Winston wrote: ↑April 21st, 2011, 9:43 amHi all,
Here is part of an essay debunking and exposing Christianity that I'm working on. Let me know what you think.
Here is something inescapable. It is a valid and logical argument that Atheists and Anti-Christian writers (e.g. Thomas Pain, Robert Ingersoll, Bertrand Russell) have used throughout history that Christians and theists have never been able to debunk or explain away logically.
Now, we all know that there are billions of people suffering in the world, most of whom are innocent, both now and throughout history.
That's limited perception and understanding. Sociopaths will be punished with hell. The sociopaths themselves even think they are getting away with their evil deeds, until they hit that lava flow of brimstone and the prison cell after death. They can't see it now, so they don't believe it. However it is true.And we all know that evil sociopaths often go unpunished and attain positions of power more often than good people do (since power attracts evil rather than good). Therefore, it is logically impossible for there to be a God who is both all-powerful and all-good, as the Christians claim, and yet allows all this to be so. Logically, such a deity would not allow the suffering of billions of innocent people throughout history, nor allow evil sociopaths to constantly attain the majority of positions of power and go unpunished (while the good die young). There is no escape from this dilemma.
Every person is a sinner and unless they believe in Christ they are going to eternal punishment for it. Evil exists because Adam brought sin into the world by his choice to commit sin, which destroyed the perfection of this creation. God will turn things around for good, but for believers who trust in Him, who will each be rewarded with eternal life for their ability to believe despite the world doing its best to convince them that God is not real or true.To put this in perspective:
1) Billions of innocent people are suffering in the world, both now and throughout history.
2) Evil is allowed to exist, run rampant, and attain positions of power in the majority of cases, more often than good virtuous people do.
3) God is all-powerful and all-good, yet allows #1 and #2 to exist, both now and throughout history.
Blasphemy and disrespecting the Lord Himself with spoken words against Him. Someone believes God is not omnipotent and divine? Someone believes God is evil? God is not real? I won't bother asking who then was powerful enough to make creation, because I already know, these people who hate God prefer to think aliens and some goo made creation and humanity. Too bad for them.All three of the above CANNOT logically co-exist at the same time. The only logical possibilities are:
1) God is not that powerful and is unable to eliminate evil. (if so, then how did he create the whole universe?)
2) God is evil, or a mixture of both good and evil.
3) God doesn't exist.
4) God doesn't care or he doesn't have the time or energy or will to do anything about it.
5) God is nothing like what you think he is, or is something beyond your comprehension.
6) God lets suffering and evil exist for reasons beyond your comprehension, and/or does not have the same morals that you do. Thus he does not do what you would do if you were him.
7) God needs to allow both good and evil to exist for the universe to exist, because all things are defined by their opposite and cannot exist without it, as depicted in the Chinese ying yang symbol.
I don't know why some people can't believe that, since God is pure and made a perfect creation that He wouldn't want any sin in it whatsoever because He hates sin and loves purity. If man was created with free will and then brought impurity into the world, then it does make sense that the whole world then will be impure.The standard Christian explanation for the above makes no sense at all and is a ridiculous cop-out:
"God allows evil and suffering to exist in the world because Man chose to Sin in the Garden of Eden. God gave Man freewill, and Mankind chose Sin. Hence death, pain, decay and evil entered into the world. God is 100 percent just and righteous, so all this is Mankind's fault, not God's. It says so in the Bible."
I'm sorry but these are mere words and just do not cut it. They make ZERO SENSE and the implications of it are 100 percent ridiculous too. Anyone who takes such an explanation seriously must either be completely insane and lost his marbles, or is completely brainwashed and mind-controlled, in order to accept something that makes zero sense as Gospel Truth.
Never fear though, God will recreate the world for all those who believe in Christ. And they will inherit an eternal kingdom without sin, just as it was for Adam. This time there will be no sin, because the choice to live again without sin was made when God imputed eternal righteousness onto them through their free will choice to believe in Christ in this life. Their free will choice for life and to avoid sin for the next life is made in this life. Too bad for those people who refused to believe in Christ.
God will not allow people to go to hell unless they either chose to commit deep amounts of sin in this life, or if they refused to believe in His Son. Now for example, take a murderer. If a person chooses to become a murderer, it is possible that God is so disgusted with that person that God would not bother trying to draw that person. However there are some people who God has attempted to save, but those people refused to believe it and chose sin over the prospect of believing in His Son. Whoops.What the standard Christian explanation implies is that:
"A good and all-knowing God allowed billions of people throughout history to suffer, die, and go to hell (if they died unsaved) simply because two naive people named Adam and Eve took a bite of the fruit of a forbidden tree in the Garden of Eden. In other words, one little mistake (or bite) caused a lifetime and eternity of pain for billions of people, and deservedly so, which all-wise and all-good God allowed."
God is able to save anyone He wants. He is not willing that anyone should go to hell, except those who do not want Him.
Some people are wise in their own eyes and conceit. Too bad for them, they may miss out on eternal life, because they lack humility.Um excuse me, but even if I were on crack, I wouldn't buy such an insane explanation. I'd sooner believe that Santa Claus visits every home in the world in one night on Christmas Eve than that! Come on now. Gimme a break. Get real! I mean, I know you don't have to be intelligent to be a Christian, but really... Anyhow, that's their version of reality, which they take seriously, believe it or not.
If a person has chosen sin to the point where they hate God passionately, it might make sense to blaspheme Him in such a way.Not only is this explanation 1000 percent insane, but it is 1000 percent UNJUST as well. I mean, what kind of a parent would allow their children to suffer pain and death (not to mention damnation) as a consequence of taking a bite out of a fruit that you told them not to touch? It doesn't make any sense! Wouldn't such a parent be the most evil and sociopathic parent in the world? (Yet a God who is 100 percent perfect and righteous would do that?!) There is no escaping that. There is no way in hell (pardon the pun) that one little mistake could be worth a lifetime or eternity of pain. No way. No Christian in the world could justify that. It is completely unjustifiable, insane, nonsensical, and there is no logical reason to believe it either.
Salvation is really quite simple: believe in Christ and you're saved. It says it right in the Bible. However, for many people believing to get saved is too hard for them. God has already done all the work as Christ to save us from our own sins and our destruction. Yet they think God is cruel?
What many of the unbelievers who call God evil don't know is, this kind of blasphemy is a terrible insult to God. Calling God evil is one of the worst sins imaginable. And these people say these things without fear or trembling. Poor souls.Yet Christians take this explanation seriously?! And they believe in a 100 percent righteous and just God too?! WTF?! This is nothing short of pure and total mind control. No question about it.
Anyone who says anything like this, turning reality upside down, calling or insinuating that God is evil and that Satan is the just and righteous god, has truly lost his way. In essence, these people are saying they'd rather go with Satan and take his plan of destruction, rather than go with God and take His plan of salvation. That may be because some people find evil more pleasurable than good, and cling to evil as if it were the glory and source of their life, rather than Christ, who is life itself.Besides, how do they know that God is 100 percent righteous and just? Because the Bible says so? And that alone makes it true?! Gee, what low standards. I mean, how do they know that Satan isn't the good guy and God the bad guy? They don't! All they can do is believe whatever someone TELLS them, and labels the rest as "lies of Satan". But life teaches us that things are not always what they seem, life teaches us. They simply take it on faith, that the Bible is all true because it is, and that's that. It's the weakest logic of all.
Freedom to deceive Eve so that Satan could receive delight by destroying them? And so that Satan could be worshiped as God by those who Satan deceives? And so that almost all of humanity goes to hell for doing so? Is this freedom?Also, why does Lucifer/Satan wanting a little freedom when he was an angel of God make him 100 percent evil? Teenagers naturally want some freedom from their parents too, but does that make them 100 percent evil and demonic? You see how nonsensical all of this is? Nothing in the Christian fundamentalist version of reality makes the slightest bit of sense...
Actually since every person receives free will, it is a good way to separate those who want God from those who want death. If a person actually wants God, they will find God. The true God. Because He wants those who want Him. He also wants those who do good.Plus, if I were an all-knowing God and knew BEFORE I created the world that the majority of the people on Earth would suffer through life and end up in the eternal torment of hell afterward (since most people do not become Christians in their lifetime), I would certainly not create such a world. No sane person would create something knowing in advance that the bad that would come out of it would far exceed the good. No sane person would go through with that, let alone an all-wise God. Think about it: If you knew before setting up a business that you'd incur a loss of $75,000 and reap only $25,000 in profit (based on 1/4 of the world's population claiming to be Christians), would you go through with it? Get real.
However, He doesn't want those who love evil or who love Satan, after a certain point (because everyone does some evil). But those who love that evil more than the prospect of eternal life, righteousness, peace or humility to God, well if they refuse Him, they've made their choice.
Everyone's free will choice is what determines their fate. Everyone must make their own choice. Do they want God and eternal life? Or do they want sin and death for eternity? Because if anyone refuses God because they love sin, then if they keep refusing God's outstretched hand, they are cutting off their souls from salvation and eternal life, and Christ will not cover their sins.
It does make sense, if your heart is able to accept it. A person must be humble, not conceited thinking they know what God should be doing, thinking they are wiser than God. A person should not trust in the lies of Satan.So you see, nothing about the Christian version of reality makes any sense at all, in any way at all, once you look at it with a clear mind free of fear and mind control. There are way too many irresolvable problems with it.
There are many Christians who think they are saved but are not; who miss the narrow way, but instead are worshipers of Mary or dead saints and statues or the pope or some other diversion. Their testimony doesn't mean much except that they never received any knowledge.In fact, many ex-Christians report in their deconversion testimonials that while they were believers, such logical impossibilities and unresolvable questions as the above, kept entering their minds from time to time. But since they could not be satisfactorily explained away, they had to be mentally filed away on a mental shelf labeled "Unresolvable". However, eventually, such unresolvable questions accumulated until they became too heavy to ignore and deny any longer. At some point, their "mental shelf" simply broke and they could no longer live in denial anymore. It was only then, that the mind control imposed on them by Christianity broke down, and they were finally set free from it.
Is it so hard to believe that once a person recognizes that God really is God, that that person would then accept God's Word as true? Too bad for rebels, they may never see the reality of God through His Word.(One great example of this is my friend Darryl Sloan, an aware skeptic, freethinker and author who described many such logical impossibilities in Christianity in his YouTube videos, which you can see at http://www.youtube.com/darrylsloan. And my own Christian deconversion story is at http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/Christian_Story.htm)
So why do Christians believe such extreme things then? If you ask them about it, their mind-controlled condition will become very apparent, as they say things like "Because God says so in his word, the Bible, which is his revelation to us" and "Because it's true, and truth is self-apparent once you've woken up to it" etc. However, the same could be said about any religion or belief system. So what makes theirs any truer than others? In short, they believe it because they were TOLD TO BELIEVE IT, but they don't really realize that. They simply think "The truth is the truth, and that's that" so they do not question it (nor are they taught to) and do not think freely for themselves either. Their reasoning is 100 percent circular, and besides that, their beliefs do not even have a valid INITIAL FOUNDATIONAL BASIS either (which doesn't cross their mind).