polya wrote:We aren't going to prove/disprove God here! Just because you don't go to Church doesn't mean you are not religious.
...and just because you don't believe in one of the Gods of modern religions, doesn't mean you are not spiritual.
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...and just because you don't believe in one of the Gods of modern religions, doesn't mean you are not spiritual.
Christianity actually makes you less spiritual. The whole religion is completely FEAR BASED - fear of God, fear of not being saved, fear that you will be sent to hell for not believing, fear of punishment, etc. Fear does not make one spiritual. It lowers their energy and consciousness level, which makes you WEAKER and LESS spiritual, not more.
Did you know that most ancient religions before Christianity taught that everything was interconnected at the deepest level, and not separate? Man was seen as one with creation. Everything was interdependent. This was the ancient spiritual view. When Christianity came, it taught the opposite, that we were all separate, and that God was separate from us. He was some being "out there" to be feared and obeyed. This became very useful to the ruling elite, who helped tailor design Christianity to suit their purpose - to make people feel obligated to submit to higher authorities, such as the Catholic Church and the Pope. They twisted what Jesus said to suit their purpose of rule and control. The history documents that show how Christianity changed over time reveal this agenda.
The form of Christianity that became orthodox taught SEPARATENESS and FEAR, which was NOT spiritual. It was used for CONTROL. And thus, it was used to try to dominate and enslave other primitive cultures such as the Native Americans, African Tribes, Amazonian Tribes, etc. Do you think the Catholic Church send Missionaries to convert primitive tribes because they cared about them? Do you think they were motivated by altruism? These Missionary campaigns tried to wipe out the ancient spiritual traditions of the primitive tribes too, replacing their connection with nature with organized religion based on fear and separateness.
Check out this story of a Missionary who deconverted from Christianity after realizing that the natives were more spiritual than him, and that his beliefs were wrong.
His book info on Amazon.com:
http://www.amazon.com/Dont-Sleep-There- ... 274&sr=8-1
A riveting account of the astonishing experiences and discoveries made by linguist Daniel Everett while he lived with the PirahÃ£, a small tribe of Amazonian Indians in central Brazil. Daniel Everett arrived among the PirahÃ£ with his wife and three young children hoping to convert the tribe to Christianity. Everett quickly became obsessed with their language and its cultural and linguistic implications. The PirahÃ£ have no counting system, no fixed terms for color, no concept of war, and no personal property. Everett was so impressed with their peaceful way of life that he eventually lost faith in the God he'd hoped to introduce to them, and instead devoted his life to the science of linguistics. Part passionate memoir, part scientific exploration, Everett's life-changing tale is riveting look into the nature of language, thought, and life itself.
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Other than the married guys living in the Phils and Mexico, I bet noone here goes to church other than for a family wedding or funeral.
You're right, that doesn't mean they're not religious.
Which modern religions are those? Do you think there used to be some old Golden-Age religions, way-back-when, that didn't have Gods?
And please, would someone tell me, what is the difference between "spiritual" and "religious"? Does one just sound way cooler than the other?
Or is one just for Whites? I.e., if you're Yellow and Buddhist you're "traditional' or "religious", but if you're White and Buddhist you're, well, "spiritual"?
Not trying to single you out here, everyone I know in L.A. talks exactly like this.
To me it just sounds like:
"I'm religious, but not really Christian, but I'm still a good person, I believe a few teachings of Jesus and Mohandas Gandhi and Gautama WhatHisName and the Dalai Lama and my 3rd grade teacher, whatever sounds good on a greeting card, so I want you to call me Spiritual, so I don't sound old-fashioned"
How is it more "spiritual"? Wouldn't "conveniently eclectic" be more accurate?
Or even "addled"?
And water actually makes you drier? Right. The way to know if someone is really spiritual, is that he makes extensive and repeated attacks on a faith which has led to healing disease, limiting war, ending addictions, etc. Because he is just so spiritual!
If that's so, if fear is the motivator, then Maoist Communism or Stalinist Communism should be REALLY successful, with voluntary converts all over the world. Right? And Iran, Malaysia, Saudi Arabia etc. wouldn't need the death penalty to dissuade Mohammedans from converting to Christianity. They could just point out the pesky FEAR that Christians peddle. Freed of fear, the happy Mohammedans could just stay Mohammedan. Right?
To be fair, fearfulness DOES penetrate religious groups. Pagan idol worshipers, still found all over the world, including your Taiwan, worship out of fear. And yes, so do some Christians. It's human I guess. But the motivator for most conversions is not fear, but hope. Hoping to be spiritually cleansed, to be freed of bad thoughts and actions, etc.
We agree there. So do many other things - materialism, anger, etc. So what? Fear is not a big problem in modern America. (Except in cults, inner cities, and public schools.) We have lots of other problems though.
But generally Christianity helps you deal wiith fear. You've heard it before.
"Yeah though I walk / in the Valley of the Shadow of Death, I fear no evil, for Thou art with me."
It's like having a big brother, a father, a protector, with His hands on your shoulders, Hos boldness inside you. And no, I am not afraid.
This is made-up.
The BIBLE teaches that Man lived in Eden, at one with all. And so do some other traditions. (Written other descendants of Noah, with some shared oral history). Christianity is about restoring the oneness with God that we had lost. Tearing down the veil, allowing all men to become priests of God. To have clean hearts, not just perform absolution in a Temple or with a sacrifice.
The individual, modern separation you speak of did not exist anywhere, ever, until the Enlightenment, the (literally) Luciferian movement that taught that we should all think for ourselves, ignore tradition and family, etc. This is the source of modern loneliness. Christianity is still around, but has been increasingly under siege in recent centuries. A war is on.
Well if He is not "out there", where is he, duh? He was and is "out there", of course. But since Christ came, preaching the "Good News" that the Kingdom is WITHIN you, that has changed, for Jews, for Roman-Greek cultures, and for those they have influenced. I am not surprised if this basic truth was sussed out by some other teachers in Asia, North America, wherever. But to accuse Christianity of separating Man from God is really to miss the whole point. The point of Christmas is that we were cut off, separated, and God came for us, came into or dimension, by becoming one of us schmoes, a spirit incarnate. Gave up Heaven and took on cold, hunger, gravity, pain and the rest.
You may have been involved in a fear-based, cultic congregation or denomination as a kid. I ran into one years back - they did some good for a lot of people, but with a controlling spirit. But this is not the substance of Christianity. You have to read the Gospels to find the real Jesus.
It's like seeing an Armenian priest who smokes cigarettes (all of them do!), then concluding that Armenian priests are behind Big Tobacco. Not logical. Human failings are everywhere - everywhee where there are humans. You have to see the big picture. One screwed up denomination or congregation does not mean that Jesus came to screw everyone up.
Hunh? Christianity was seen as subversive, as you damn well know. You are in parrot-mode here. You heard this somewhere, and are repeatng it. Not like you.
What is useful to a ruling elite is a state religion. Only Christians and Jews rejected required state religious worship. State religion was ordered by Romans and post-Alexander Greeks (the Hanukkah story), to enforce obedience. Zoroastrian Persians also sought to eliminate Christian worship in Armenia. The Jews also went through this in Babylon (the Book of Daniel). Daniel and his friends, who had been enslaved and castrated, still had the balls to refuse pagan worship. (the Lions, the furnace.) In all these cases, it was Christians and Jews who stood up to state religion, who stood up to Babylonian/Greek/Roman/Persian authority. So you have it totally backwards.
Just a few years ago, in gentle Thailand, a young boy was brutally caned in school for becoming a Christian, and refusing to recant. Yes, those Buddhists, so spiritual. The point is that in Thailand, Buddhism serves as a bulwark of the state and of the nation. Christianity was seen as a threat. Fear is a tool of the oppressor.
The same took place all over. Pagan Norsemen killed early Christians, for refusing to worship the tribal god, Thor.
Persecution under the Romans went on for 200 years. Rapes, gruesome tortures, etc.
In the West, ruthless men in authority have tried to control the Church since the "Babylonian Captivity of the Papacy" and the destruction of the Templars by the King of France in the 1300's. Until then, since Charlemagne in the 800's, the rulers respected the Church, and the result was progress and peace. Rulers were still deferential to Christians until the twentieth century. Since the twentieth century, with no moral restraints, genocides, revolutions, etc have taken place. The Church did not keep evil men in power, it restrained them!
The first example of this would be Martin Luther kissing the ass of German princes. Nowadays this is done by lots of Leftist Christians: Jesuit Commies, The World Council of Churches, etc. The kind of wolves-in-sheep's-clothing who support the U.N. You are talking about Christians failing to stand up for truth, and instead saying what gets them ahead, gets them praised.
So, yes, there has been a lot of subversion since the time of the Reformation. Not that the Reformers were bad people, just that when you start going your own way in spiritual matters, it's easy to lose your way and become ungrounded. Fast.
But UNTIL the Reformation, Christianity was unchanged. There were incredibly minor points of contention between East and West, but generally the Faith was monolithic and influential.
Rulers had to kiss the Church's ass, and people were better off as a result.
The Church was not an organ of the state. Think of it as a giant community organization, labor union, fraternal organization looking after its members, soup kitchens, a private schools system, old age homes, orphanages, a chain of hospitals, plus a few centers of scientific research. No soldiers, no courts (except for priests), no temporal power (except by default in Rome itself, when the Byzantines fled)
Again, it sounds like you have a background with a cult.
Did you even watch "The Mission"? The Jesuits were precisely about converting, and controlling the Guarani Indians in southern Brazil. But there motive was not at all pro-government. They wanted to strengthen the Guarani and prepare them for encroaching civilization, so they would not be oppressed or enslaved. As you can see from what I have written elsewhere, I am no fan of the Jesuits, but they certainly wanted to help the natives, and gave their lives to do so.
Similarly the Dominican and Franciscan missions up the coast from Baja to Northern California. They certainly changed the Indian's lifestyle, but the focus was on helping. In order to please you, do Catholic Mexicans have to undress, run naked, forget how to read, drink from the same pond they piss in, and wage endless war with each other?
Yes, dammit, guys dedicated their lives as missionaries because the cared about the people. Why else would they?
Maybe if the North Americans had had some of those Catholic missionaries, the Indians in North America would be i better shape today, more numerous, more prosperous, and more in control of teir own lives.
You sound like those who think people should stay home and not mess with the environment, and keep it all pristine. Do nothing, sit on your thumb, and everything will be great. Now THAT takes faith.
Lots of White men have traveled to a primitive country and gone native. How is this particular story supposed to be uplifting or inspiring? These people treat their families like shit, share their women, and basically have no pride. They lead a listless, dissolute, pointless life.
No wonder you like them.
Imperialism and the Christian West
On Columbus Day last Monday, some friends of mine were discussing (via Facebook) some of the lesser-known qualities of Christopher Columbus. In elementary school, we all heard that he 'discovered America', and was generally revered as hero and inspirational figure in Western culture. Of course, it's not exactly true that he discovered anything. The Nords had already been to the Americas long ago, and â€“ most obviously â€“ lots of natives already lived there in mostly peaceful (if primitive) cultures.
One of Columbus' most significant motives for his voyages was that he wanted to convert other cultures to Christianity. Maybe it's because of the Great Commission, but the spread of Christianity has always been deeply entrenched in Western imperialism. And as had often been the case throughout its history, Christianity was spread by the sword: as the Spaniards began colonizing the Americas and converting them to Catholicism, natives were systematically enslaved and subjected to extreme punishments for disobedience . In subsequent decades, millions more were slaughtered in wars in which Europeans possessed not only more advanced technology, but also vast networks of resources which allowed them to endure the rigors of war far longer than natives, whose resources tended to be limited and centralized. And along with their "gifts" of slavery and genocide, the Europeans introduced smallpox, influenza, measles, whooping cough, and many other deadly diseases widespread in Western Europe which were devastating to native populations.
These days, we hear a lot of hot air from conservatives about 'Christian America'. They tell us that the values we cherish â€“ freedom, liberty, equality, and opportunity â€“ were bestowed upon us by the Judeo-Christian tradition. Nothing could be farther from the truth. The spread of Christianity, from the Crusades to the European conquest of the Americas, had nothing to do with spreading such noble ideas; instead, it was rooted in expansionism, imperialism, ethnocentrism and bigotry. Millions paid the price for the spread of Christianity with their lives, and we should never forget that many of the comforts we enjoy today are here in part because of the many who died unjustly under the march of Western imperialism. Even when our country was established, such ideals were more or less limited to white aristocrats. If you were poor, female, or non-white, those 'Christian values' were not for you.
The truth is, humanitarian values are secular. They transcend religion, culture, and history. Countless cultures existed peacefully for many thousands of years without the influence of Western religion, and many continue to do so today. If religion were the beacon of righteousness it's purported to be, one would imagine that it would have prevented, not inspired, the tyrannical imperialism and expansionism of the great Western civilizations.
Religion is an insult to human dignity. With or without it you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion. - Steven Weinberg
With the Moslems resisted in France in 732 AD, the onward progress of Islam in the west had been halted, but most of Spain remained Moslem for 700 more years before a renewal of crusading fervor, the desire for acquisition, under Ferdinand and Isabella motivated a wave of colonialism, all in the interest of â€œGod and Christendomâ€, for a crusade was to bring under Christian rule â€œSaracens, pagans, and other unbelievers inimical to Christâ€â€”the words of the pope in a papal bull permitting the king of Portugal to â€œattack, conquer and subdueâ€ those people his explorers met, and to acquire land and property for the king under the authority of God. Spain and Portugal had stayed Catholic and now their overseas ventures were being blessed by the pope and accompanied by Catholic missions enforced by soldiers and soldiers of fortune. The crusading spirit had adapted to its new role of enforcing European colonialism, imperialism in fact.
Some Dominicans questioned the justice of the Spanish treatment of the native Americans under the popeâ€™s blessing of â€œconquest, subjugation and exploitationâ€:
By what right or justice do you keep these Indians in such a cruel and horrible servitude? On what authority have you waged a detestable war against the people who dwelt quietly and peacefully on their own land? â€¦ Why do you keep them so oppressed and weary? â€¦ And what care do you take that they should be instructed in religion? â€¦ Are these not men? Have they not rational souls? Are you not bound to love them as you love yourselves?
G M Bediako, citing L Hanke, The Spanish Struggle for justice in the Conquest of America, (1949)
Thus spake Antonio de Montesinas in 1511 in a sermon given in Hispaniola. Of course, the Dominican order was founded to persecute heretics like the Cathars and their successors, the witches, who were also human and had rational souls whom Christians were meant to love as themselves, when they were saving their souls by diligently burning them alive tied to a stake so that they could not escape the flames. Sermons like this show that some Christians did read and comprehend the words of Christ, and took them seriously, but regretably such people were always, and still are, few, the majority prefering the spectacle of public, or private, murder and torture.
The Spaniard, Juan GirÃ©s de SepÃºlveda, claimed its justification was how grave peopleâ€™s sins were, and the rudeness of their natureâ€”reasons why the Indiansâ€™ position was to be servants of sophisticated people like the Spanish:
How can we doubt that these peopleâ€”so uncivilized, so barbaric, contaminated by impieties and obscenitiesâ€”have been justly conquered by such an excellent, pious and most just king as Ferdinand the Catholicâ€¦ and by such a most humane nation, and excellent in every kind of virtue.
SepÃºlveda, cited by Bediako from L Hanke, The Spanish Struggle
Of course, â€œthe most humane nation, excellent in every kind of virtueâ€, with such â€œexcellent, pious and most justâ€ Christian kings, called Presidents, is today the USA.
So, there was always the simple fall back of justifying any atrocity as necessary to spread the faithâ€”the wonderful end justifying any means. Then again, these people were savages portrayed as practitioners of human sacrifice and cannibalism, which Godâ€™s subject were good enough to want to prevent. They were, after all so low in the ranks of humanity they were not even considered as sons of Ham, Shem or Japhet in the Jewish scriptures. Their very humanity was therefore in doubt, a great convenience for colonial and imperialist crusades. The Christian leadership of the USA have consistently used the same propaganda tacticâ€”Vietnamese were subhuman Gooks, Japanese were suhuman Japs and cvilians deserving of being nuked and firebombed, Chinese Chinks, Koreans again Gooks, Amerindians "savages" and redskins, Iraqis were Ragheads. It can be no sin even for Christians to torture and murder subhumans can it?
Bartholomy de las Casas opposed the view of SepÃºlveda. Sticking to a closer comprehension of the moral teaching of Christ, he affirmed that all human beings were equally human:
All the peoples of the world are menâ€¦ all have understanding and volitionâ€¦ the five external senses and the four internal senses, and are moved by the objects of these, all take satisfaction in goodness, and feel pleasure with happy and delicious things, all regret and abhor evil.
But even las Casas felt no less superior in practice to the nativesâ€”they were human, yes, but they were nonetheless barbarians requiring civilizing:
No nation exists today, nor could exist, no matter how barbarous, fierce or depraved its customs may be, which may not be attracted and converted to all political virtues and to all the humanty of domestic, political and rational men.
Needless to repeat, the Protestant colonialists were no different in their essential racialism from the Catholics. In an article in The Westward Enterprises, we read:
Far from condemning Spain, English propagandists looked on Spain as their colonial model and presented the â€œIndiansâ€ as liars and deceivers needing firm treatment as a preparation for Christianization.
Loren F Pennington, The Amerindians in English Promotional Literature, 1575-1625
Christianity was the way the colonialists megaphoned their excuses for theft. Propaganda sermons given for the Virginia Company justified conversion as the reason for taking the nativesâ€™ land. In 1609, a preacher, Daniel Price, said in a sermon that the aim of the colonists was toâ€¦
â€¦make a savege country to become a sanctified country. You will obtain their best commodities, they will obtain the saving of their souls. You will enlarge the boarders of thy kingdom, nay the bounds of heaven.
God was still such a monster that people who had never had the chance to know anything about the sacrifice of His Son could burn forever in hell for their inevitable ignorance.
So, the Puritans of the sixteenth century had adopted the attitudes of the Spanish that the land of the savage â€œindiansâ€ were meant by God to be for the civilized Europeans, the difference simply being the change from Spaniards to Englishmen. The savage condition itself was a sign itself of Satanâ€™s power, so that the wars against the natives was simply part of the struggle against sin. Christians persuaded themselves for centuries that they were doing Godâ€™s work in murdering and enslaving people in distant countries, stealing their land and resources, and as if it were a fair exchange forcing them as a salvific act to become Christians thereby saving their souls, or so imperialist theology claimed.
Only the few had any qualms that Jesus taught that salvation was everyoneâ€™s personal struggle, a struggle to avoid taking the broad gate to hell and instead finding the narrow gate to heaven, a lifelong struggle that left no room for any Christian to feel pure enough to act as a judge of others. Christian priests and pastors had persuaded these people that just by professing Christianity they were already saved, and so they could freely torment and butcher others until they surrendered and converted to a religion they knew nothing about. Meanwhile, the poor natives lost everything else, not least their self respect and, often with it, their will to live.
Evil and â€œThe Westâ€
The colonizing peoples, once known as Christendom, are now more commonly called â€œThe Westâ€. Curiously, the west was, in early Christian thought based on the bible, considered as evil. Lactantius, the Christian commentator, wrote:
He [God] also established two parts of the earth itself opposed to one another and of a different characterâ€”namely the east and the westâ€”and of these the east is assigned to God, because He Himself is the fountain of light and the enlightener of all things, and because he makes us rise to eternal life. But the west is ascribed to that disturbed and depraved mind, because it conceals the light, because it always brings on darkness, and because it makes men die and perish in their sins. For as light belongs to the east and the whole course of life depends on the light, so darkness belongs to the west, but death and destruction are contained in darkness. Divinarum Institutionum Libri Septem
This idea originated in solar worship, coming to us via the Persian religion, because the sun rises in the east (oriens) and sets in the west (occidens). So the east is associated with sunrise, light, and all things good, while the west is associated with sunset, darkness and all things bad. The good God is still the God of light, and light signifies salvation, whereas the wicked God, the Devil, is the god of darkness, and darkness signifies hell and damnation. The west has therefore, since time immemorial, been considered as wicked, and the western imperial powers have simply added to that idea, and bravely continue to do so!
This early association of the west with evil has appeared in the renunciation of the devil by the clergy before a baptism, and is the reason why baptisteries were on the west side of the churchâ€”the priest renounced the Evil One boldly facing the west. Similarly, when a clergyman exorcised a demon from someone possessed, the victim faced the east while the exorcist, cross raised up before him, faced the devil in the west. Later, in the sixth and seventh centuries, churches had towers, dedicated to S Michael, erected on their west side.
S Michael was the archangel who led Godâ€™s heavenly host against wickedness, and who was expected by Christ waiting in the Garden of Gethsemaneâ€”the Essene belief being that Michael would lead the heavenly host out of the Mount of Olives to defeat evil and renew the world at the End of Time. When dawn came, and Michael and the heavenly host did not, Jesus knew his expectation of a world renewal was mistaken, and his fate as a false prophet was to die. Immediately that he did, though, his disbelieving followers transferred the belief in the arrival of Michael with Godâ€™s armies to save the world into the belief in the return (parousia) of Christ as the leader of Godâ€™s armies to save the world. So, Christ is actually a form of the archangel Michael.
Michael seems to have been the Angel of the Lord, the Jewish equivalent of Mithras, the face of God. God, being the sun, could not be looked upon by humans, but Mithras was the dawn sun, the equivalent of Horemahket in Egypt, who could be looked upon at dawn, so when Ahuramazda wanted to appear to men, he did so as Mithras. S Michael served the same role for Yehouah, the Jewish God. So, Mithras and Michael were varieties of the dawn sun, and the western towers of churches, which stood between the church and its congregation and the devil, were dedicated to Michael as the high point of the church to receive the first rays of the rising sun and thereby offer protection from the evil darkness of the west. And Lo! the darkness did recede before the light. Hills were similarly often dedicated to S Michael, and indeed had often been dedicated to the pagan sun gods in pre-Christian times.
Such thinking, although pre-Christian, shows how Christianity emerged from a purer, less allegorical solar belief. The God of the Jews and Christians actually admitted to the prophet, Isaiah, that he is the author of good and evil, so does not pretend to stand solely for goodness and light. An editor of Isaiah is negating the Persian religion which had two almost equal gods, the good one, Ahuramazda, and the wicked one Ahriman, because the Jews, when they got control of the temple on the defeat of the Persians did not want their god to have any equal. That posed the problem of theodicy, and the Jewish editors solved it by accepting that any single God must be responsible for evil as well as good, but then ignoring further consequences.
In other words, the duallist Persian religion is more coherent than its children, the monotheistic Jewish and Christian ones. But because the half baked solution of the redacted Isaiah does not work, Christians revived the wicked god in the person of Satan, a bad angel only marginally less powerful than God Himself. This is plainly Ahriman resurrected, because Ahriman too was only just short of the power of God, the difference simply being that the God of dawn and light has foresightâ€”He knows what is going to happen. The god of dusk and darkness only knows what has happened. The difference between good and evil is the use of foresight. Good people know the consequences of their actions and hesitate to do ill. Wicked people could not care less one way or the other. They just assume they will be right. Thus the dichotomy of east and west with the space in between being the battleground of good and evil is merely a form of ancient AchÃ¦menid duallism.
So now the division of good and evil, of light and dark, of oriens and occidens, is â€œthe eastâ€ and â€œthe westâ€, and despite the propagandists of the west trying their utmost to reverse ancient perceptions so that west is now good and east is bad, they cannot. The history of western colonialism and imperialism, which continues daily, confirms ancient precepts clearly. Western military imperialism proves the ancient idea is validâ€”it proves it! The west is evil in fact! The world is a battleground between good and evil, and that translates seamlessly into the battleground between east and west.
Historian of the Christian missions, Andrew Walls, finds the same characteristics in American missions as in American business and conspicuous financing. Colonialism is characterized with the three Csâ€”commerce, civilization, and Christianity. Professor of Christian Missionaries, Michael T Cooper (Colonialism, Neo-Colonialism And Forgotten Missiological Lessons) pleads for Christians to do more than understand biblical and systematic theologies, but to understanding the historical context in which they were developed too. He recognizes that colonialism is uniformly identified with western political expansion, Missionaries were pioneers of western colonial expansion, and, according to David Bosch (Transforming Missions: Paradigm Shifts in Theology of Mission, 1991) â€œmissionâ€ was equated with â€œcolonialismâ€ from the sixteenth century onward. Stephen Neill (Colonialism and Christian Missions, 1966) explained that under colonial rule, people considered weak and inferior were reproached for it, and therefore justly exploited and culturally impoverished.
Because today the word â€œcolonialismâ€ has a bad odour, when practised, it has to be disguised. Cultural imperialismâ€”the superiority of American culture, theology, history and moralityâ€”is the modern imperialism, although accompanied by plenty of the old fashioned military kind.
Colonialism rejected the need of using traditional native cultural forms in favor of its belief in the superiorityâ€”the cultural hegemony of American Christian civilization. Many churches planted by American missionaries are imbued with American culture. The â€œGod-givenâ€ unity of churches across the American inspired world, their similar liturgical styles, familiar hymns, and gospel singing, is the enforcement of American-styled Protestant Christianity:
Christianity as represented by Americans has been shaped by essentially American cultural influences. American missions are thus both products and purveyors of American culture. Andrew Walls, The Missionary Movement in Christian History: Studies in the Transmission of Faith, (1996)
Latin American theologian Ismael Amaya writes on American missionary Christianity:
Much of the motivation behind the colossal effort to support the gigantic missionary enterprise around the world, is the conviction that God has raised Americaâ€”especially Anglo-Saxon Americaâ€”as the vessel of redemption of the world. Ismael I Amaya, â€œA Latin American Critique of Western Theologyâ€, Evangelical Review of Theology 7 (1983)
Yet the United States itself grew out of a colony of Europeans exploiting native Americans and imposing European Christianity upon them.
Whereas westerners used to steal the land and resources of natives so as to "save" their poor ignorant souls from hell fire, now the mission is to "save" them from dictatorship and political chaosâ€”the hell is now on earth, or soon will be. Colonialism was robbery disguised as salvation and the bringing of western civilization to the uncivilized. Now, under the guise of globalism, it still persists, desperately bringing Christ to the natives as faith in him melts altogether at home, or, worse, continues to deform into its opposite.
I have the entirety of human history and especially modern history since western imperialism began to support my arguements, all written and documented, yes even by the racist imperialist christians themselves, especially those so proud of the White Man's "Burden" and White Supremacism.
What do you have to back up anything about western imperialism + christianity trying to be "for the good" of humanity when you are imposing your views on others or manipulating through Hollywood and media, just like western media manipulate East Asian females and females around the world to dislike East Asian males?
You have nothing to support or justify your side and anything you say is simply grasping at straws because plain and simple, western imperialism, whether cultural or military and the injustices and racism all spawn from evil. Your side is evil.
I am a very religious Buddhist believer and there is no God per se in Buddhism, just the Law. I know that there is mutable and immutable karma - financial and most health things are mutable and can be changed. Race, ethnicity and height are generally immutable and no God can help you change those in this lifetime.
Public attitudes are slowly mutable and may take centuries to change ( or they may not), and no one has time to sit around and wait. We have some 20-40 years in life in which we are active so we need to get moving. With heavenly help.
So, Asian Americans and others here who protest againts the Anglo Saxon hatred by society of them and murders of E Asian males, and women not dating them, like what LY here is saying are not going to be helped by any God in this area unless they physically move to another place.
There is no historical precedent anywhere on earth where ethnic prejudice was stopped by a God and suddenly people were able to live in peace. Look at the Middle East and how much people pray there. And are you going to tell me that if we pray we will not need to go abroad? There is also no teaching that says that prayer should not be accompanied by courageous action on your part which is based on common sense.
Divine luck is welcome when you take action for it to accompany it-while looking for work, setting up a business or for protection against evil people or accidents while traveling. I welcome God's help in dating after I go to those lands where women are plentiful and good but no divine force is going to put things in my lap.
People say that nothing is impossible with God and all prayers will be answered. I am sure that over 2-3 lifetimes, all of my dreams will come true and most problems will be solved. But if I want things sooner, I need to take action- get off my butt and get moving.
But at this point no one is forcing the natives to lap it up but they do, don't they? I remember my first ride through Filipino countryside with the natives staring at me and with wide eyes filled with reverend awe and mouthing the words 'Americano Americano!' as if they saw a divine creature. Then they were bringing out the girls for me to choose to marry.
No one is forcing people to wear jeans, and to act American. But they just suck it in. It is sooo attractive!
A brain is a terrible thing to wash!
Cultural imperialism. Hollywood brainwashing. Media manipulation. Tried and true military methods utilized by US PsychOPs.
They also want your wallet.
In all honesty, Native American cultures were far better preserved under Spanish Catholics than Anglo-Saxon Protestants.
Where are the people who still speak Wampanoag compared to millions who can still speak Nahuatl, Quiche and Quechua who still maintained their identity? A native american language, Guarani, is even spoken by those of European descent in Catholic South America. Had the Southwest still been under Mexican control, there would still be millions of Native Americans living there.
Guatemala and Bolivia are predominantly Native American, for instance.
I doubt millions of Assyrians died for their pagan religion, but millions of Assyrians died for their Christian religion. Eastern Europe and parts of Africa are full of native Christians, and many of them have been persecuted by Muslims for almost over 1,000 years. Don't tell me that the Assyrians and Armenians had to suffer and watch their people being forcibly enslaved and murdered for practicing their religion. Eastern Christians in general are far more devout in their religious faith. Ever wonder why most of Eastern Europe believes in God while the rest of Europe (mainly Protestant Europe) still lacks faith in God?
I find that Protestantism itself is a corrupted form of the Christian religion, made only for the benefit of princes and kings such as Henry IV, propped up by asslickers such as John Calvin and Martin Luther.
I honestly am kind of mixed. I dislike most the churches in my area that I have visited. I dislike all the social backscratching, all the whos whos games, all the control by the pastor, and just the overall focus on "authority". That is why I am looking into Quakerism. The religion seems to be more anti-authoritarian, tends to actually focus on the issues of the day, and seem to be more democratic. Plus throughout history it seems like they have stood for what is right, whether it be environmentalism or black rights.
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Jesus christ doesn't believe in "religion"
Jesus christ isn't just love, hippies made that up so they wouldn't have to condemn anyone or cause trouble for themselves when "shearing" a false cultist religion based on true christianity.
Jesus HATES and LOVES equally.
If you are a true christian you will NOT be happy, you will have challenge and turmoil, and will suffer for what you believe in.
The word christian should no longer be associated with the bible, as christianity as it exists in america and most places in the world is a lie, and not even a fraction of what it claims to be.
If someone is christian and you would have no clue other than the fact he or she told you, they are probably not a christian.
Jesus will throw you in hell, it's in the words, read them, that's the wrath and hate part.
Jesus isn't a spiritual santa clause with a white sack of fluffy prayer orders shipped vie ups ready to hand them out because you were a good little boy or girl and went to church to listen to some fat pastor who's a mini-cult leading sheep elected by all the other sheep through a popularity contest.
Like any other thing in life, morality is a discipline, meaning self control, if you ever see a true christian, you'll notice it.
The reason most people don't know these things is because you can't sell something that causes people pain.
I don't mind people saying "to hell" with you and jesus, that's fine, go for it, burn down the churches, just don't go trying to proclaim some higher moral authority by saying mine is false, because at the end of the day, I guarantee my honor integrity and morality far more genuine in intent than your desire and motivation behind tearing it down and trying to prove it's "outdated" "mind controlling" or some kind "mind control"
Most peoples rhetoric these days is nothing more than a feeble attempt at defending the facades that make up a lawless liberal self worshiping pointless life, that seeks only to attempt to justify it's own existence, but will in the end fail to due so by its own hand, because if everything isn't pointless and I"m not a monkey, how will I ever make my lazy fat selfish life seem like a positive.
Alright, my rant gauge is empty now, I think I can move on for the time being.
I have often encountered older intellectual men who refuse to follow God, bitter at Him becasue He allows evil. A lot of Armenians like this, because they grew up with detailed knowledge of what befell their families under the Turks. Christian in culture but bitter inside.
What you state above is pretty much what I try to get across to them. God does punish.
And that is quite comforting sometimes.
yes as the pope said turks were the punishment for the christians. but in my world the turks, arabs punished the weak. the world is mildly fascist and the early christians were to nice so nature in the form of the turks punished them. - then some of them learned an began to kick some other ass. - no reason to take it personal yakuza. the christians didnÂ´t start the fire. it was a necessity to make christianity brutal so they can survive and attack is the best defense, they say. - respect the white men.
yes and the mongols did start the fire because they were hungry.
This is the challenge - to be very forceful, but with love in one's heart. Manhood.
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