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I think more HA members need to find God in their lives

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Postby well-informed » March 1st, 2013, 11:08 pm

I really liked Magnum's comment very much

Being Christian is being Christ-like. The word of God is described sharper than a 2 edged sword cutting between the soul and spirit and opening up all the intentions of the heart. Truly it is the highest standard of morality.

When God speaks all God speaks is truth and because he's right then that means someone is wrong, regardless of how unlikely it seem in the physical realm or by man's intellect/logic.

This is what i see a lot of from people who aren't believers or at least have doubts of god existing

People who live in sin pray for a couple minutes or at one point in time have prayed to seek God in their lives...... most likely nothing happens and come up with the conclusion that god doesnt exist nor care for them. Its as if Christ is google and hes suppose to obey our commands and our sinful desires. Although God loves, he also hatessss sin because thats what separates man and god. Of course god wont be a reality to that person, because they don't want to change
(the lusts of the world, trials, tribulations choke your faith that started as a seed that was intended to grow)

Those people who humble themselves, pray with sincerity, turn from their sins or at least willing to turn away from their wickedness. These people have a willing teachable humble spirit that God can see and use because their coming to the Kingdom like little children, just like Jesus said one should.

I know Christ exists will all my being(I've had revelations from God's spirit), but a person has to walk in holiness/righteousness in order for God to be a reality.
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Re: I think more HA members need to find God in their lives

Postby clowny » March 1st, 2013, 11:27 pm

zboy1 wrote:I wonder why HA attracts so many atheists and agnostics to the forum? I think besides me, ILoveBlackAmericanWomen, well-informed, fscmidt, Jester and a couple of others', everybody else seem to disparage religion and God all the time in the forum. I think that's why you have so many unhappy people on HappierAbroad. Having a spiritual life is very important in my opinion, and it is one important factor to fight against depression and unhappiness. Also, by believing in God, it gives a person meaning in their life and a moral template to live by. Do you agree or disagree with my opinion?


I agree that a spiritual life is very important, which is precisely why i'm not an adherent of christianity. Being a willing participant in the largest criminal syndicate in human history (the church of christ) does not equate to leading a spiritual life, in my opinion.
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Postby america sucks » March 3rd, 2013, 4:10 pm

AmericanEvil wrote:http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

There is not one single piece of historical evidence to prove that Jesus ever existed. Not one single scholar or historian of the 1st century AD mentioned even a single word about Jesus. Kind of interesting, considering that he was supposed to have been some guy going around performing miracles, raising the dead, with 1000s of followers. VERY INTERESTING that not one single historian or scholar of that time period mentioned even a single word about him, don't you think?

The fact is, Jesus is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER. He is no more real than John Rambo. And on that note, here is a little poem I created:

Rambo loves me this I know
for the Bible tells me so
He is strong and I am weak
Rambo savior of the meek

I mean, if you are going to worship a FICTIONAL CHARACTER like Jesus, why not worship an actual bad a** fictional character like Rambo? At least John Rambo wasn't a f***ing p***y mangina who let himself get his a** kicked and then nailed to a cross.

Is it perhaps no coincidence that the fictional character Jesus was such a pathetic mangina, and the majority of Christian men are pathetic manginas? After all, you become what you worship.
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Re: I think more HA members need to find God in their lives

Postby Jester » March 4th, 2013, 1:23 am

clowny wrote:
I agree that a spiritual life is very important, which is precisely why i'm not an adherent of christianity. Being a willing participant in the largest criminal syndicate in human history (the church of christ) does not equate to leading a spiritual life, in my opinion.



The U.S. government today operates as a creeping, Borg-like totalitarian entity.

But that doesn't mean that George Washington, James Madison, or Thomas Jefferson were wrong.

Ignore the termites, read the blueprint.
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Postby Jester » March 4th, 2013, 1:30 am

america sucks wrote:
AmericanEvil wrote:http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

There is not one single piece of historical evidence to prove that Jesus ever existed. Not one single scholar or historian of the 1st century AD mentioned even a single word about Jesus. Kind of interesting, considering that he was supposed to have been some guy going around performing miracles, raising the dead, with 1000s of followers. VERY INTERESTING that not one single historian or scholar of that time period mentioned even a single word about him, don't you think?

The fact is, Jesus is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER....


Do your own research.

jesus existed (and exists) and there are witnesses. Like for Alexander the Great.

In the first century A.D., Christianity was a suspect, suppressed cult, persecuted by the Romans, along with Judaism. Emperors gave orders to exterminate both Jews and Christians. But yes, most written records of the government at that time didn't give a lot of sympathetic press to the Christian movement. At first, we weren't even called Christians, that term was adopted over time.

Hard fact: Over time, and with the blood of many martyrs, we achieved the conversion of the emperor, through his mother, and Christianity was legalized. At that point, evangelism was out of the closet, and we swiftly won. Roman civilization became Christian.

Keep reading, my friend.
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Postby zacb » March 4th, 2013, 2:27 am

Jester wrote:
america sucks wrote:
AmericanEvil wrote:http://www.jesusneverexisted.com

There is not one single piece of historical evidence to prove that Jesus ever existed. Not one single scholar or historian of the 1st century AD mentioned even a single word about Jesus. Kind of interesting, considering that he was supposed to have been some guy going around performing miracles, raising the dead, with 1000s of followers. VERY INTERESTING that not one single historian or scholar of that time period mentioned even a single word about him, don't you think?

The fact is, Jesus is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER....


Do your own research.

jesus existed (and exists) and there are witnesses. Like for Alexander the Great.

In the first century A.D., Christianity was a suspect, suppressed cult, persecuted by the Romans, along with Judaism. Emperors gave orders to exterminate both Jews and Christians. But yes, most written records of the government at that time didn't give a lot of sympathetic press to the Christian movement. At first, we weren't even called Christians, that term was adopted over time.

Hard fact: Over time, and with the blood of many martyrs, we achieved the conversion of the emperor, through his mother, and Christianity was legalized. At that point, evangelism was out of the closet, and we swiftly won. Roman civilization became Christian.

Keep reading, my friend.


So true. I think that the church becoming whitewashed is what led to us being like we are today. I think that the very nature of the modern church was compromised through the emperor becoming "saved". That led to structures that made the church weaker.This then led to it's ultimate failure of leadership, which leads us to today.
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Postby zacb » March 4th, 2013, 2:32 am

And while we are on the topic, I wonder how the spiritual aspect of countries compare to the US? To me, with a few exceptions, it seems like the US is also spiritually bankrupt. I wonder how the churches in let's say the Philippines stack up to US churches? I have heard they tend to be more like the "church" than in the US. Would be interesting to find out/
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Postby Raja » March 4th, 2013, 3:44 am

zacb wrote:And while we are on the topic, I wonder how the spiritual aspect of countries compare to the US? To me, with a few exceptions, it seems like the US is also spiritually bankrupt. I wonder how the churches in let's say the Philippines stack up to US churches? I have heard they tend to be more like the "church" than in the US. Would be interesting to find out/
The percentage of Catholic to non-Catholic is flipped. Possibly because there is less competition for the role of religious representative the local Bishops take a harder line then they do in America. Also because of the overwhelming Catholic presence the non-Catholics are more concentrated in the exclusive groups, the ones who will not even allow members to visit another church out of fear of losing a member, i mean the member losing his soul.

The local Catholics can be freaky in their zeal from the self flagellation and crucifictions which are about to happen and thousands turning out to touch a religious relic or travel hundreds of miles to visit a specific church because of its relic, not its Priest or music. It may be more like "church" in that the majority churches also feature distinctive church architecture and are rarely the start ups in a hotel conference room or strip mall, but those do exist. And the nation's vacation and school schedules are built around Holy Week, a "spring break" is not added somewhere around the week as is done in the US.

I would not say the US is bankrupt but rather diverse. And even if Christianity as a whole is dominant no specific sect sets the agenda which all follow. While no single counter Catholic group will be as powerful as the INC is in the US many exist and many also reject the religious calendar and rituals which comes from the Vatican
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Postby zacb » March 4th, 2013, 3:58 am

I am not talking about the actual number, but as far as substance (at least in terms of Protestants). It seems like they put politics over actual religion. Like I said though, this is not always the case, but they seem to be out of touch with both society and God.
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Postby Raja » March 4th, 2013, 4:55 am

zacb wrote:I am not talking about the actual number, but as far as substance (at least in terms of Protestants). It seems like they put politics over actual religion. Like I said though, this is not always the case, but they seem to be out of touch with both society and God.
Technically speaking the INC like Mormons and Jehovah Witnesses are not Protestants and they outnumber the other Christian claiming sects combined. There are a few other sects which may have limited block voting compared to them but those other sects don't have the power or the voice of the Catholic Bishops Confrence
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Postby zacb » March 4th, 2013, 5:39 am

(I meant church politics, not national politics) Sorry for the misunderstanding
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Postby Raja » March 4th, 2013, 6:38 am

zacb wrote:(I meant church politics, not national politics) Sorry for the misunderstanding
Well internal church politics you have the majority sect who believes their leader is appointed by God and apostolic succession to lead all humanity. And since they are so outnumbered in this particular corner of the world that many competing churches are also as strident in proclaiming the we are the way and the other guys are false leaders.

It also seems more political then spiritual because it is less ritual based in many cases the "spiritual" being based in music and teaching sermons alone, with perhaps the laying on of hands in charismatic churches. And you don't have a publicly presumed virgin, or at least celibate man leading you in the rituals, as the Catholic does which spiritual wise even leads to virgin sacrifices of non Abrahamic faiths.
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Postby Moretorque » May 12th, 2013, 6:08 pm

zboy1 wrote:And Winston, I mentioned in another thread that I think you need to find God again in your life. Why did you reject Christianity in the first place? I know you were a Christian, but what made you turn away from your faith? I know you're now a skeptic and even created a forum rejecting God and religion. I'm curious to know you're answer.


Dude trust me, you do not understand the Bible as well as Christianity, I need to get up off my a$$ and write the book I want to about the bible.

I am 99% sure I have solved it and the creator of the bible is mother not father.
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Re: I think more HA members need to find God in their lives

Postby Jackal » May 13th, 2013, 3:38 pm

lone_yakuza wrote:I also think that you can live a good peaceful life if you have a solid personal philosophy, such as my readings on Zen Buddhism, and seeking enlightenment through martial arts.

I am also Buddhist. The Buddhist philosophy which emphasizes the true nature of the mind and reality is at least as deep as any other religion, but does not believe in any creator god.

lone_yakuza wrote:But what really pisses me off and leads me to the "Dark Side" is that I realize that although maybe I can "let go" and "let live" and live nobly, there will always be these other disgusting human beings trying to make my life difficult or the lives of others difficult for the stupidest reasons and because humans are disgustingly sinful, jealous, hateful, etc. etc. myself included because I have become extremely jaded and hateful towards the white supremacists.

But I have also come to believe I should embrace my rage and passion and fight back for those who cannot fight back, are too weak to fight back, or do not have the will to fight back.

It is possible to fight back without feeling rage, although this can be tough to do.

And Buddhism is not a purely pacifist religion (it is not Jainism!). Here are two of the Bodhisattva Vows as an example:
(10) complying with the minor precepts when the situation demands one's disregard of them for the better benefit of others

This is very similar to the previous downfall, but from the other angle. Here we do not break a minor vow, even though we are harming others by keeping it.
(11) not committing one of the seven negative actions of body, speech and mind when universal love and compassion deem it necessary in the particular instance

There might be circumstances where, with a pure bodhicitta motivation, we are compelled to break one of the seven non-virtuous actions connected with the body and speech (three with the body and four with the speech).

The very traditional example is of the Buddha in a previous incarnation as a bodhisattva. He was travelling on a ship with five hundred people when he learnt that a man was going to kill the captain, and thus kill everyone on board, because without the captain the ship would sink. Seeing this, the bodhisattva killed the person in order to save all the others. This vow says that if those exceptional circumstances arise we must not hold back because we might be breaking a vow. We need to act for the greatest good, regardless of the results for ourselves. If not killing that person is more beneficial, of course we should not kill them. If killing that person and saving others’ lives is more beneficial, then we should do so, but here we have to be very careful. We need great, great wisdom to understand such things.

Lama Tsong Khapa comments on this at length, going through all the ten negative actions in connection with body, speech and mind.

http://www.bodhicitta.net/BODHISATTVAVOWS.htm

lone_yakuza wrote:You can take negative energy and use it for positive outcomes.

Yes, some tantric (Tibetan) Buddhist meditions do exactly this. Try reading about Buddhist tantra (and not the bullshit modern sex books which carry the name "tantra"). Here is an excerpt from an excellent website about Tibetan Buddhism:

"Using Disturbing Emotions on the Path

So we use this forceful energy. This is very important in tantra. How do we use disturbing emotions on the path? How do you transform them? Well, we can do this in a sutra way or we can do this in a tantra way – we can do this in many ways. What’s the sutra method? Again look at Wheel of Sharp Weapons (I’m bringing this up as an example because many of you attend my class on the Wheel of Sharp Weapons). And there the tonglen practice is used for transforming the disturbing emotions. Tonglen is the practice of giving and taking. And so when we have disturbing emotions, we transform it into a constructive pathway of mind by imagining that – not imagining, but focusing on the fact that I’m not the only one that has this disturbing emotion and the suffering that comes from it, but this is a common problem to everybody. Therefore, I am a limited being, a sentient being; this is a problem of all sentient beings; therefore it is my problem as well – everybody’s problem.

And so then we take on and imagine that we are dealing with this problem for everybody and giving the solution to it, which could be on many different levels of nonattachment. It can be – if we have attachment – it can be understanding of voidness. It can be whatever. And so in that way we transform the disturbing emotions into something that helps us further on the path. This is one of the main features of the lojong tradition, of the attitude-training: to transform negative circumstances into positive circumstances for making progress on the path.

Okay. Now there are other methods for using these disturbing emotions. In mahamudra, which can be practiced according to the Kagyu and Gelug tradition on both sutra and tantra levels; in the Sakya tradition, only at tantra level… But, in any case, if we want to understand the nature of the mind, of mental activity, then the analogy is: the more fuel you have on the fire, the stronger the fire will be. And so the more intense the state of mind is with these disturbing emotions, the more intense the state of mind is for focusing on the nature of the mind, and as exemplifying what the nature of the mind is. And that obviously is an incredibly difficult practice. The mind is very filled with energy with being very excited. Then you can see that nature of the mind more easily, and the actual nature itself is more obvious. This is the explanation. It’s very difficult to practice, incredibly difficult to practice. When the mind is dull, it’s difficult: the energy is low; it’s difficult to actually see what is the nature of mind.

Mental activity is the arising of a mental hologram and the cognitive involvement with it (which are equivalent to each other). And just that – let’s not get into a big discussion of the nature of the mind. But this arising of a mental hologram, which is the awareness of an object, the stronger the energy of that – in other words, the bigger the flame – the more obvious it is. And the more intense the flame – as an observer, as an understander – the more intense your level of understanding it can be. So that’s another method of transforming and using these disturbing emotions.

In tantra in general, not just the mahamudra level, we can use primarily desire as part of the path, which is that you initiate a happy state of mind with desire, but then you use that to destroy the desire. In other words, you want to induce a blissful state of mind by being – if we use the colloquial – “turned on,â€￾ in a sense, by a beautiful person, a beautiful body, or whatever. But with that intensified state of mind, of desire – which is a conventionally happy state of mind, a tainted type of happiness – then you use that to focus on the voidness of the happy state of mind, and the object, and the self that is experiencing it, and so on. So you use desire to destroy desire. So that’s a transformation.

So then when you experience something that is very beautiful, and initially there’s that happiness that might be brought on by it because of desire, then, in that happy state of mind, you understand the voidness of it and you can make an offering of the beauty. Enjoy the beauty in a more pure way. So that way you’re not disturbed by the fact that I’m turned on by certain forms of bodies. For each of us, it will be slightly different – what turns us on – it doesn’t matter; it’s irrelevant. There’s that usage of it.

The usage of anger, as I was describing, that strong force of anger might come up in a certain situation, but then you redirect that energy, with an understanding of voidness, to smashing the self-cherishing. These are more in the direction of tantra usages of the – or transformations of the – disturbing emotions."

http://www.berzinarchives.com/web/en/ar ... ipt_4.html
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Postby Hero » May 13th, 2013, 5:09 pm

I believe in God, but I'm not religious anymore. The reason is basically this: my church was full of people who would pray for the lonely old widow down the street, but who wouldn't actually go visit her.

Also, I think that most priests and ministers are wimps. They preach that God is kind and forgiving and merciful, and that's true; but what they don't say is that God only forgives those who repent of their sins. They don't say that God will not be mocked by those who think they can do whatever the hell they want, because God will forgive them. They probably don't want to challenge their congregations, because they're afraid that the collection plate will turn up empty some Sunday morning.

I agree with Ladislav that havning faith in God doesn't mean doing nothing; it means believing that if you do your best, then God will help you to succeed.
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