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God-Fearing Christian Atheist

Postby abcdavid01 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 7:53 pm

http://takimag.com/article/when_atheist ... z2Kcb7j38L

Modern atheists have their own saints, detailed taboos, purification rituals, demons, superstitions, and a deep sense of sin. This pattern of human group behavior is probably innate, but it is particularly annoying when allegedly ultra-rational people display it.


I don't believe in God, but I pray to him. Belief in superstition is an inescapable fact of human nature. If I am to believe in superstition, I may as well believe in positive ones. Modern atheism is degenerate. It is everything we hate here. This article is about the A+ Movement, a particularly foul form of atheism that incorporates Feminist beliefs. The title "God-Fearing Christian Atheist" was said by Rudyard Kipling and it is the rare form of atheism that is tolerable. It is opposite this evil A+ movement.

The A+holes have peculiar superstitions where moralistic mana is accorded to those with the least “privilege.â€￾ What they mean by “privilegeâ€￾ is a sort of phlogiston carried by white people, heterosexuals, males, religious people, people who disagree with them, and people who identify with the sex chromosomes and genital organs with which they were born. Such “privilegeâ€￾ embodies the A+ concept of original sin. Their purification ritual consists of confessing one’s sins in the public forum and groveling before the grouchy saints and the holy icons as penance.


Here is their temple: http://skepchick.org/
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Postby Anti-American » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:34 pm

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Postby abcdavid01 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 8:54 pm

I don't like being confused with that New-Age stuff.
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Postby fschmidt » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:44 pm

abcdavid01, maybe you could consider my approach:

http://www.actbiblically.org/Skepticism-tp4652221.html
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Postby abcdavid01 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 9:49 pm

Thanks again fschmidt. I've said it before, but this forum really brings some of the most intelligent minds together.
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Postby Anti-American » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:05 pm

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Postby abcdavid01 » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:08 pm

Well I do go by Ignostic sometimes, but people always confuse that with Agnostic.
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Re: God-Fearing Christian Atheist

Postby Jester » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:17 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:
I don't believe in God, but I pray to him.


He hears you.
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Blessed Art Thou, Thomas.

Postby Jester » Mon Feb 11, 2013 10:39 pm

fschmidt wrote:abcdavid01, maybe you could consider my approach:

http://www.actbiblically.org/Skepticism-tp4652221.html

Skepticism is the opposite of faith. So to a Christian, skepticism might seem an odd path to finding God. But I assure you, it can work.

A true skeptic is skeptical about everything. He has no biases and questions all assumptions. Many who call themselves skeptics are actually faithful followers of the Secular Liberal faith. These people are not true skeptics since they never question their own beliefs.

The life of a true skeptic is harder than that of a person with faith. A skeptic must continuously study issues to reach conclusions. In studying a text, the skeptic will likely reject those texts that require him to accept too many assumption. The skeptic will accept those texts that don't include many assumptions and whose conclusions are supported by known facts of science and history.

So let us consider how a skeptic would react to different belief systems. We can start with Christianity and the New Testament. Clearly these are not appropriate for the skeptic. Christianity demands faith which the skeptic is unwilling to give. And the New Testament is full of miracles that won't be accepted by the skeptic. Next we can try Islam. Islam makes fewer assumptions than Christianity does but it demands greater obedience. The skeptic will not obey if he doesn't see the reason to obey. Obedience for its own sake will not work for the skeptic. Next we can try Rabbinic Judaism. Here people are expected to trust the judgement of the rabbis. A skeptic will not trust someone else's judgement, he must verify things for himself.

Now let's consider Secular Humanism/Liberalism. I have written long posts on Atheism and Liberalism to show how truly evil this view is. But suffice it to say that history shows that this system reflects the decline of all successful cultures and that anthropology shows feminist ideals (which are part of this belief system) are inversely correlated with cultural development (see "Sex and Culture" by Unwin) and finally, an understanding of evolution shows how this belief system actually causes evolutionary decay in the population. So a true skeptic with any degree of intelligence and knowledge of science and history would be horrified by Secular Humanism/Liberalism.

Where does this leave the skeptic? Is there any belief system or text appropriate for him? The answer is yes, the Old Testament is the most perfect book for the skeptic. The Old Testament makes no demands of him regarding belief. The Old Testament is a guide to morality. And the morality of the Old Testament is fully supported by history and science. The simplest example of this is the success of religions based on the Old Testament. No other text has produced so many successful cultures. And no other text has lasted so long and is still respected by so many people. The only explanation for this is that the Old Testament contains a moral code that makes cultures successful.

Let us consider the issues of belief in the Old Testament. The first issue to consider is belief in God. But to ask the question of whether one believes in God, God must be defined. How can one talk about belief or disbelief in something if one doesn't know what that something is? But no definition or clear description of God is provided in the Old Testament. In fact, the opposite is true, the Old Testament carefully avoids any definition or description of God. The Old Testament even has God bluntly refuse to define himself in this passage:

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Then Moses asked God, “If I go to the Israelites and say to them: The God of your fathers has sent me to you, and they ask me, ‘What is His name?’ what should I tell them?â€￾

God replied to Moses, “I AM WHO I AM. This is what you are to say to the Israelites: I AM has sent me to you.â€￾
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http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?se ... rsion=HCSB

So what exactly does it mean to believe in this God who refuses to define himself? One answer may be that even though God isn't defined, his actions are described in the Old Testament, so believing in God actually means believing in a literal interpretation of the Old Testament. But there is actually no basis for this answer. Nowhere in the Old Testament does it ask the reader to take the stories literally. Unlike the New Testament, the Old Testament never demands faith or belief in the stories. It doesn't even demand belief in God himself. It only demands that you do not worship other (immoral) gods. The demands of the Old Testament are all moral, not demands of belief. If you consider the time that the Old Testament was written, it was a time when fables were used to convey morality. In fact Aesop's Fables was written at about the same time as the Old Testament was compiled. So there is no requirement that the skeptic take the Old Testament stories literally.

Before continuing, I just want to make clear that there is no right answer as to whether the Old Testament stories should be taken literally. If you are a person of faith, then it is reasonable for you to take the Old Testament stories literally. But if you are skeptic, then it is reasonable for you to take some of the Old Testament stories as fables. There is no right or wrong answer here.

Returning to the question of belief, if God isn't defined and the Old Testament stories don't have to be taken literally, what exactly is there to believe in? Factually, not much. But the word "belief" refers to more than just facts. I can say "I believe in you" or "I believe in my country". In these cases "I believe in X" does not mean that I believe in the existence of X. It means that I support X. The Old Testament is a book about morality with God serving as an embodiment of moral values. So when a skeptic says "I believe in God", what he means is that he believes in the morality of the Old Testament. When an atheist says that he doesn't believe in God, what he really means (whether he knows it or not) is that he doesn't believe in the morality of the Bible.

Those who are greatly concerned with truth may not be satisfied with this answer. They can simply restate the question as "Do you believe in the existence of God?". Since God isn't defined, a skeptic must create a definition of God in order to answer this question. The skeptic should pick a definition that allows the answer to be "yes". I suggest that the skeptic define God as the laws of nature.

This definition may seem odd to some. Some may wonder if this God, defined as the laws of nature, is really the same God as the Jewish, Christian, and Muslim God. In fact, people's definition of anything will vary slightly. Two people's definition of words like "table" or "chair" will not be exactly the same. What matters is that the important characteristics of the thing being defined match. In the case of God, the important characteristics are the morality He represents. The definition of the Christian God varies slightly from the Jewish and Muslim God because the Christian God is the holy trinity while the Jewish and Muslim God is not defined this way. But this doesn't really matter because this part of the definition is not the essence of God. The essence of God is the morality of the Bible, and this is shared by the God of Christianity, Judaism, Islam, and the Old Testament, so all are the same God.

If it isn't already obvious, I am a skeptic. This reflects my nature. My brain isn't wired for faith or obedience. But I respect all people who follow the Bible regardless of their beliefs. I understand that each person is different and each person needs to follow the path that is best suited for him or her.



Nice. Very functional/practical approach for the non-spiritual types out there. I hope you disseminate this widely.

fschmidt wrote:Skepticism is the opposite of faith.....

A true skeptic is skeptical about everything. He has no biases and questions all assumptions. ... A skeptic will not trust someone else's judgement, he must verify things for himself.....

If it isn't already obvious, I am a skeptic. This reflects my nature. My brain isn't wired for faith or obedience. But I respect all people who follow the Bible regardless of their beliefs. I understand that each person is different and each person needs to follow the path that is best suited for him or her.


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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doubting_Thomas

20:1-2 - But on the first day of the week, Mary of Magdala arrived at the tomb, very early in the morning, while it was still dark, and noticed that the stone had been taken away from the tomb. At this she ran, found Simon Peter and the other disciple whom Jesus loved, and told them, "They have taken the Lord out of the tomb and we don't know where they have put him."

20:3-10 - Peter and the other disciple set off at once for the tomb, the two of them running together. The other disciple ran faster than Peter and was the first to arrive at the tomb. He stooped and looked inside and noticed the linen cloths lying there but did not go in himself. Hard on his heels came Simon Peter and went straight into the tomb. He noticed that the linen cloths were lying there, and that the handkerchief, which had been round Jesus's head, was not lying with the linen cloths but was rolled up by itself, a little way apart. Then the other disciple, who was the first to arrive at the tomb, came inside as well, saw what had happened and believed. (They did not yet understand the scripture which said that he must rise from the dead.) So the disciples went back again to their homes.

20:11-12 - But Mary stood just outside the tomb, and she was crying. And as she cried, she looked into the tomb and saw two angels in white who sat, one at the head and the other at the foot of the place where the body of Jesus had lain.

20:13 - The angels spoke to her, "Why are you crying?" they asked. "Because they have taken away my Lord, and I don't know where they have put him!" she said.

20:14 - Then she turned and noticed Jesus standing there, without realising that it was Jesus.

20:15 - "Why are you crying?" said Jesus to her. "Who are you looking for?" She, supposing that he was the gardener, said, "Oh, sir, if you have carried him away, please tell me where you have put him and I will take him away."

20:16 - Jesus said to her, "Mary!" At this she turned right round and said to him, in Hebrew, "Master!"

20:17 - "No!" said Jesus, "do not hold me now. I have not yet gone up to the Father. Go and tell my brothers that I am going up to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God."

20:18 - And Mary of Magdala went off to the disciples, with the news, "I have seen the Lord!", and she told them what he had said to her.

20:19 - In the evening of that first day of the week, the disciples had met together with the doors locked for fear of the Jews. Jesus came and stood right in the middle of them and said, "Peace be with you!"

20:20 - Then he showed them his hands and his side, and when they saw the Lord the disciples were overjoyed.

20:21 - Jesus said to them again, "Yes, peace be with you! Just as the Father sent me, so I am now going to send you."

20:22-23 - And then he breathed upon them and said, "Receive holy spirit. If you forgive any men's sins, they are forgiven, and if you hold them unforgiven, they are unforgiven."

The risen Jesus and Thomas

20:24-25 - But one of the twelve, Thomas (called the Twin), was not with them when Jesus came. The other disciples kept on telling him, "We have seen the Lord", but he replied, "Unless I see in his own hands the mark of the nails, and put my finger where the nails were, and put my hand into his side, I will never believe!"

20:26 - Just over a week later, the disciples were indoors again and Thomas was with them. The doors were shut, but Jesus came and stood in the middle of them and said, "Peace be with you!"

20:27 - Then he said to Thomas, "Put your fingers here - look, here are my hands. Take my hand and put it in my side. You must not doubt, but believe."

20:28 - "My Lord and my God!" cried Thomas.

20:29 - "Is it because you have seen me that you believe?" Jesus said to him. "Happy are those who have never seen me and yet have believed!"



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Re: Blessed Art Thou, Thomas.

Postby fschmidt » Mon Feb 11, 2013 11:31 pm

Jester wrote:Nice. Very functional/practical approach for the non-spiritual types out there. I hope you disseminate this widely.

Thank you Jester. In fact in my El Paso Act Biblically meetup, there is a woman who had rejected Christianity who was impressed by this post and is now interested in acting biblically. I am doing what I can.
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Postby abcdavid01 » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:08 am

Okay, so I'm reading the Human Evolution Post on Act Biblically right now. I came to the same conclusions from my own research. Specifically I read this book by F.A. Hayek, The Fatal Conceit:

http://www.amazon.com/Fatal-Conceit-Err ... 0226320669

It's another pretty obscure book, even among Hayek's work and Right-Wing/Libertarian circles. The title "Errors of Socialism" is perhaps a bit misleading. The book touches upon evolutionary theory and the development of culture as well as population growth, linguistics, and religion. It basically holds the same views put forth in Act Biblically. It's a short book, only like 200 pages, but very dense. There's no wasted space. In the back of the book there is an index of many other books that influenced its writing, so it may be a good source for you to find further support. The Fatal Conceit is basically what happens when a genius level intellect is near death and tries to use his entire lifetime of knowledge to make one final argument.

You read Unwin and I read Hayek, but we both wound up in the same place.
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Postby fschmidt » Tue Feb 12, 2013 12:40 am

Thanks abcdavid01, I will read this soon. Right now I am studying psychopathy. I have a theory that the mechanism behind psychopathy and feminism are the same. I need a few weeks to research this and then I will move on to other books including Hayek's.
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Re: God-Fearing Christian Atheist

Postby Anti-American » Thu Mar 28, 2013 10:03 pm

abcdavid01 wrote:I don't believe in God, but I pray to him.


That doesn't make any f***ing sense. How are you going pray to something you don't believe in? Most retarded thing ever.
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