Mr_Truth wrote:Jester wrote:Mr_Truth wrote:
The commandment says "thou shalt not kill" which means the taking of life, including murder. Suicide is murder of the self. Suicide is especially sinful because it presumes the non-existence of God, and that therefore one's salvation is impossible. Thus, one commits the sins of both presumption and despair.
All that is just your own reasoning. I worship God as revealed in the Bible. Your opinions are not in the Bible.Mr_Truth wrote:
Look at his username, Mr. "Catholic Christian" -- it's that of the devil. Duh.
But what he wrote was exactly true - and you know it.
The 5th commandment is very clear and not subject to private interpretation. "Thou shalt not kill." And that includes killing oneself. Suicide will send your soul to hell forever.
The Bible was not written in King James English, you idiot.
You are the one with the "private interpretation" about suicide. Give your personal opinion about suicide, but please don't pretend to speak for God. You don't.
Suicide in most people's opinion is certainly justified in case of impending rape, or torture combined with drugs and brainwashing (Communist or MK Ultra style). Or in case of a pederast or other pervert who had impulses he could not control.
Suicide is obviously also ok for someone horribly injured, whose "suicide" ends a morbid, perverse medical effort to keep a pitiful fragment of his body alive. I can cite a grotesque example if you really need one.
All that is my opinion, and it is MOST people's opinion. It is not in the Bible, but neither is your opinion. The world we live in is not one wherein we can decide our opinion, then choose a Bible verse on another topic, and then "infer" or "deduce" until we arrive at a justification for our beliefs. Philosophers call your approach "Procrustean", after the ancient robber and serial killer Procrustes, who delighted in amputating or stretching his guests until they precisely fir the bed he had provided them. You are stretching a Bible verse until you can get it to include what you believe on a related topic.
One of the privileges of being exposed to Catholic teaching that includes the full uncensored Bible, is that we know about the existence of a Purgatory, a place where ordinary schmoes can go to finish repentance and penance after death. Your continuing pronouncements about who will go to hell are not only arrogant, but ignorant.
The only way to Heaven is through Jesus Christ, but not necessarily through the roman Catholic church. Jesus said He was the Way. He didn't say that the Vatian was the way. You really don't know which Pakistani woman has been visited by Jesus in a dream, and accepted Him as Savior in privacy and quiet. You really don't know which righteous Jew or Hindu encounters Jesus in their last dying moments.
Second Vatican does seem to be Satanic, but let's not forget that some of the perverts in the Church have been the conservatives, like Opus Dei. You know, the Pharisees, the ones who seem as holy as the bright paint on a tomb, but inside have souls like a tomb-ful of dead men's bones.
Who said that, anyway?