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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby fschmidt » Sun Feb 08, 2015 6:52 pm

Jester wrote:But the Germans invented the A-Bomb. The Brits and Americans were not getting it done.

They detonated one on a platform in the Baltic, it was viewed by an Allied recon pilot.

But Allied bombing and ground offensive stopped them from building and deploying another.

Captured Germans offered the plans, to get the US to stop the Russians. The US took the plans but allowed the Russians to keep the Yalta slice. One of the two bombs dropped on Japan was the exact German design.

The other bomb was one tested in New Mexico. It had to be tested because it was not the same design that the Germans had already tested.

That's a weird theory, one that I never heard before. I know that it is false because my father was a nuclear physicist who personally knew the people involved on the American side. He also knew about the German research and that it was nowhere close to developing a bomb.

As for collective punsihment, thats exactly what did happen to the Jews in Britain and in Spain as well. They were kicked out.

That misses the point, to make (Talmudic) Jews behave and get the benefit of what they can contribute.

Regarding British Empire, its true that the Jews shrewdly backed a winner when they cut their deal with Cromwell, followed by one with Charles II. They had sat fuming in Venice for over 100 years prior to that, after being kicked out of Spain and Portugal for just cause. During the 1500's, they observed the skill of British pirates in attacking innocent Spanish vessels. They decided to join forces.

Whatever the case, having Jews in Britain didn't prevent the rise the British Empire.

Yes, the combination of English imperialists and Jew racketeers has been powerful. But is that a good thing?

Yes, the British Empire contributed more to human development than any other society in history.
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby Moretorque » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:05 pm

Was it the British empire or the strategic location and the ships docked and built there with factions fighting over who would use it to plunder the world ?
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby MrPeabody » Sun Feb 08, 2015 8:07 pm

fschmidt wrote:

Why bother? What is the benefit of having Jews? The best example is Nazi Germany. The atomic bomb was invented by Leo Szilard and the hydrogen bomb by Edward Teller, both Hungarian Jews. If Nazi Germany had not been hostile to Jews, it would have had these weapons first since Hungary was a German ally. Germany lost the war because it didn't have Jewish scientists. So the best approach for any society is to understand Talmudic Judaism and manage it properly.


But Oppenheimer was a Hindu. :)
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby Moretorque » Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:23 am

MrPeabody wrote:
fschmidt wrote:

Why bother? What is the benefit of having Jews? The best example is Nazi Germany. The atomic bomb was invented by Leo Szilard and the hydrogen bomb by Edward Teller, both Hungarian Jews. If Nazi Germany had not been hostile to Jews, it would have had these weapons first since Hungary was a German ally. Germany lost the war because it didn't have Jewish scientists. So the best approach for any society is to understand Talmudic Judaism and manage it properly.


But Oppenheimer was a Hindu. :)


Mr. Peabody I have been worried sick about you, I am glad to see you are up and posting. You should start a debate on socialism.
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby WorldTraveler » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:17 am

Why do you need either Christianity or Judaism? One book is 2000 years old and the other 3500 years old. I don't believe in organized religion. Why not just pick and chose the best principles from all religions and live by that?
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby WorldTraveler » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:25 am

fschmidt wrote:Why bother? What is the benefit of having Jews? The best example is Nazi Germany. The atomic bomb was invented by Leo Szilard and the hydrogen bomb by Edward Teller, both Hungarian Jews. If Nazi Germany had not been hostile to Jews, it would have had these weapons first since Hungary was a German ally. Germany lost the war because it didn't have Jewish scientists. So the best approach for any society is to understand Talmudic Judaism and manage it properly.

So is the reason that America is so successful, because they have so many Jews?
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby fschmidt » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:35 am

WorldTraveler wrote:Why do you need either Christianity or Judaism? One book is 2000 years old and the other 3500 years old. I don't believe in organized religion. Why not just pick and chose the best principles from all religions and live by that?

Because most people are too stupid to be able to choose the best principles. Better that they just choose a religion and follow it, than that they choose a path based on their own stupidity.
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby fschmidt » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:38 am

WorldTraveler wrote:So is the reason that America is so successful, because they have so many Jews?

No, but it helped, particularly in the last century. The main reason that America WAS so successful was because of the Puritans and the values that they gave America. But by now, those values are gone.
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby WorldTraveler » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:42 am

fschmidt wrote:
WorldTraveler wrote:So is the reason that America is so successful, because they have so many Jews?

No, but it helped, particularly in the last century. The main reason that America WAS so successful was because of the Puritans and the values that they gave America. But by now, those values are gone.


America has a lot of workaholic smart people. I can't think of anywhere that people are so obsessed with their "careers"! They've also convinced all women to work vs. being mothers, thus you get many more people working which booms the economy.
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby fschmidt » Sat Feb 14, 2015 9:49 am

WorldTraveler wrote:America has a lot of workaholic smart people. I can't think of anywhere that people are so obsessed with their "careers"! They've also convinced all women to work vs. being mothers, thus you get many more people working which booms the economy.

In spite of this, median real income peaked in America around 1975. Hard work without morality produces limited wealth. For proof, see the Chinese. To see what really America great economically, read "The Protestant Ethic and the Spirit of Capitalism" by Max Weber.
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby Moretorque » Sat Feb 14, 2015 5:50 pm

WorldTraveler wrote:
fschmidt wrote:Why bother? What is the benefit of having Jews? The best example is Nazi Germany. The atomic bomb was invented by Leo Szilard and the hydrogen bomb by Edward Teller, both Hungarian Jews. If Nazi Germany had not been hostile to Jews, it would have had these weapons first since Hungary was a German ally. Germany lost the war because it didn't have Jewish scientists. So the best approach for any society is to understand Talmudic Judaism and manage it properly.

So is the reason that America is so successful, because they have so many Jews?


The real reason America invented most of the modern world and was so successful was because the people who came here were allowed to keep most of the fruits of their labor and had property rights once they stole the land from the natives. This is why they left Europe because of the state that prints money and practices usury. The patent office actually worked here in America,just look at Tesla for proof but he ran into what Americans were running from as the money masters set their system from Europe up here and began to consolidate all as usual.
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby Jester » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:11 am

fschmidt wrote:
Jester wrote:
But the Germans invented the A-Bomb....

They detonated one on a platform in the Baltic, it was viewed by an Allied recon pilot.



I know that it is false because my father was a nuclear physicist who personally knew the people involved on the American side. He also knew about the German research and that it was nowhere close to developing a bomb.



Sorry I dont have a link, but a Brit or American pilot saw the test, from a platform on the Baltic. Almost crashed in the ensuing blast.

Not a theory, there was a credible eyewitness.

It's not the official history, so it's not widely reported. But it makes sense, if you think about it. No Anglo-American atom bomb, then Germany falls, and all of a sudden we have one.

But... anyway... I thought your father was busy in the Resistance, blowing up German trains?

Regardless of his ubiquity, in an interesting coincidence, MY father was ALSO a physicist, who was privileged to study under Feynman at Caltech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

and attended Werner Von Braun's highly classified lecture at Hughes Aircraft on missile targeting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket#United_States

and knew Teller (yes, a Jew), the "father of the H-Bomb", as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller

And, you know, did some other stuff too.

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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby Jester » Sun Feb 15, 2015 12:24 am

WorldTraveler wrote:
fschmidt wrote:Why bother? What is the benefit of having Jews? The best example is Nazi Germany. The atomic bomb was invented by Leo Szilard and the hydrogen bomb by Edward Teller, both Hungarian Jews. If Nazi Germany had not been hostile to Jews, it would have had these weapons first since Hungary was a German ally. Germany lost the war because it didn't have Jewish scientists. So the best approach for any society is to understand Talmudic Judaism and manage it properly.

So is the reason that America is so successful, because they have so many Jews?



Logical corollary there, but no, I don't think so.

I suggest instead that Jews just attach themselves to a winner like fleas on a dog's ass:

-- Infesting the Helleneic world, even though the post-Alexander Greeks had waged genocidal war against them
references:
-------The First Book of The Maccabees,
-------The Second Book of The Maccabees
-------The Third Book of Maccabees,
-------traditional Jewish teachings about Hannukkah,
all the Jews named Alexander, Alexandra, or Sandy


-- Infesting the Roman empire, even though the Romans went on to wage merciless war against Masada, and enslave the populace of Jerusalem
reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius%27_expulsion_of_Jews_from_Rome

--Hitching a ride on the Mohammedans as they swept into Spain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Moorish_Conquest

and so on.
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby fschmidt » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:00 am

Jester wrote:But... anyway... I thought your father was busy in the Resistance, blowing up German trains?

Regardless of his ubiquity, in an interesting coincidence, MY father was ALSO a physicist, who was privileged to study under Feynman at Caltech
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Feynman

and attended Werner Von Braun's highly classified lecture at Hughes Aircraft on missile targeting
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V-2_rocket#United_States

and knew Teller (yes, a Jew), the "father of the H-Bomb", as well.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_Teller

And, you know, did some other stuff too.

Small world!

My father was in the Resistance during the war and met the physicists after the war. By the way, Feynman was a Jew too. Our fathers probably knew each other since physics is a small world. Here is my father's book:

http://www.amazon.com/Physics-Temperature-Plasmas-George-Schmidt/dp/0126266603
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Re: Religious Tribalism

Postby fschmidt » Sun Feb 15, 2015 1:05 am

Jester wrote:I suggest instead that Jews just attach themselves to a winner like fleas on a dog's a**:

-- Infesting the Helleneic world, even though the post-Alexander Greeks had waged genocidal war against them
references:
-------The First Book of The Maccabees,
-------The Second Book of The Maccabees
-------The Third Book of Maccabees,
-------traditional Jewish teachings about Hannukkah,
all the Jews named Alexander, Alexandra, or Sandy


-- Infesting the Roman empire, even though the Romans went on to wage merciless war against Masada, and enslave the populace of Jerusalem
reference:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Claudius%27_expulsion_of_Jews_from_Rome

--Hitching a ride on the Mohammedans as they swept into Spain
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Spain#Moorish_Conquest

and so on.


Your analogy doesn't quite work since fleas jump on dogs but dogs don't jump on fleas. The Greeks, Romans, and Muslims all jumped on (took over) Jewish areas which is why Jews spread in their empires.
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