True. A salvation based on belief or faith only makes no sense. It's a popular doctrine though, because Americans are too lazy and immoral to want to be bound by having to do good works or live a moral life. They'd rather believe the idea that they are always saved no matter what they do, even if they live a life or evil and immorality. So stupid. Makes no sense.Cornfed wrote: ↑January 7th, 2016, 9:42 pmThe passage clearly indicates that faith without works is useless and in fact not proper faith since faith is perfected through works.Adama wrote:They are simply saying that even though you have faith, if you don't have works, then you are not working for God or your brethren. Faith without works is dead, but that sentence alone proves that faith without works is a state which exists. Read it again. Faith without works is dead, but that tells you that a condition of faith without works exists. Faith does exist without works.Cornfed wrote:Paul seems to say this, presumably as a convenient marketing ploy, but even he tries to sneak works in the back door by implying that if you had faith you would be a generally good person. Jesus and James stress the importance of works. See James 2, for example.Adama wrote:Take note that all the TV preachers believe in salvation by works, rather than by faith. The Bible is clear: salvation is by faith alone. Just read every instance in the New Testament where it says either "faith" or "believe", you'll find that it is by faith or belief only, not by works. Jesus even says it Himself many times, Thy faith have saved thee.
Plus it's not Biblical either. Many Bible verses say keeping the commandments and doing good works and obeying God's will is necessary for salvation too. You can't just ignore all that just because you don't like it. So Christians like @Adama are very selfish. They can't just ignore the parts of the Bible that disagree with them, but they do.
Gabriel Ansley explains below in this 12 part seminar that the Bible teaches that Salvation is by both grace and works. A+B=C. Here it is. It's long but very interesting. I watched the whole thing. He has a strong logical case. I'm surprised Adama is in denial and prefers to cling to false doctrine. But it's not surprising since no one wants to have to live a moral life to get into heaven, hence its unpopular. That's too much work for selfish Americans. lol. Americans would rather believe that they are saved as a free gift without having to be good or do good works, because that's more attractive to them, to get something for nothing. lol. There's a saying that says that "people tend to believe what's most attractive to them, not what makes the most sense." So true.