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Does religion need both morality and the afterlife?

Yes, religion needs to explain both morality and the afterlife
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No, religion only needs to concern itself with morality
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No, religion only needs to concern itself with correct beliefs
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Post by Ghost » January 31st, 2016, 9:05 pm

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Re: Does religion need to cover both...

Post by Yohan » February 1st, 2016, 5:31 am

There is no indication, that anything like a 'God' might exist.

Modern research - about nuclear power, astronomy, medicine etc. - could solve many issues nowadays which were considered to be 'tabu' in the past. All was 'Made by God'.

But even if there is some reason to believe there is a 'God', it is no proof for any afterlife.

About the soul, we do not know if it exists and even if a soul exists, we do not know what will happen with it after death.

Has the soul a form of consciousness and if yes, what consciousness might it be? Those of a newborn child or of a very old senile person not even aware to be 'alive' or an' intelligent soul' which can make decisions?

No faithful believer of any religion could ever answer these questions to me.

I voted 'others', I do not believe in any religion.

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Re: Does religion need to cover both...

Post by Cornfed » February 1st, 2016, 6:37 am

Religion needs to make you want to be a part of something outside yourself, allowing teamwork even when it is not in the individuals' apparent best interests. Perhaps in desert communities day to day survival was hard enough and the likelihood that your children would survive was hard enough that you wouldn't need an afterlife motive. But in most societies I would agree that you need some kind of rationale as to why you should care about anything besides yourself.

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Re: Does religion need to cover both...

Post by Ghost » February 3rd, 2016, 5:26 am

Cornfed wrote:Religion needs to make you want to be a part of something outside yourself, allowing teamwork even when it is not in the individuals' apparent best interests. Perhaps in desert communities day to day survival was hard enough and the likelihood that your children would survive was hard enough that you wouldn't need an afterlife motive. But in most societies I would agree that you need some kind of rationale as to why you should care about anything besides yourself.
But wouldn't desert dwellers even wonder if there was more meaning to their existence than to be born in the desert and to spend their lives trying to survive? I think they would need a more profound motivation as anyone else would. That's my guess, but I'm assuming that spiritually all people have the same needs. I could be wrong.

What do you think is the best rationale for caring about others and the greater good?

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Re: Does religion need to cover both...

Post by MrMan » February 3rd, 2016, 8:45 pm

Ghost,

Where is your evidence that reincarnation was ever a mainstream Christian belief? From the Biblical texts, we can see that early Christians, like many Jews believed in the physical resurrection of the body from the dead. Christ rose, and those who are His will rise as well. This belief shows up in the early creeds and is still the belief of Christians whose beliefs are orthodox on this particular subject.

But it seems like the belief of disembodied bliss in 'heaven' gets a lot more emphasis among some Christians these days. The Bible doesn't delve into the topic of the state of the dead before the resurrection. There are a few comments and hints. But that certainly isn't the emphasis in the New Testament when it comes to the topic of the afterlife.

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