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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby MrPeabody » September 24th, 2017, 9:28 pm

Yohan wrote:
MrPeabody wrote:Islam is actually more compatible with a modern scientific world.


A religion which is encouraging to murder anybody who wants to leave this faith is not compatible with a modern scientific world.

A religion which is calling for killing everybody who is unwilling to convert is not compatible with a modern scientific world.

I can continue this list, Islam is a very backwarded medieval religion with no future - especially in economic terms.
Even now, many Muslim countries are impoverished and need food assistance from the infidel.

There is no advanced Muslim country existing so far - not even one...
Muslims are lining up all the time to enter Europe and Northern America to live among infidels and pagans....
I wonder why they do not want to live in an Islamic Republic....

Any explanation for that, Mr.Peabody?

In contrast to Christianity, Islam theology is simple.

Not really and Muslims are far away from being united, they often fight not only against infidels and pagans, but also against each other.

BTW, there are also other religions, not only Christianity and Islam.
There are Buddhists, Hindus and others, and finally there is also the choice to be an atheist.


Have you ever actually met a real Muslim? And what was your experience?
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Yohan » September 25th, 2017, 11:08 am

Muslims are lining up all the time to enter Europe and Northern America to live among infidels and pagans....
I wonder why they do not want to live in an Islamic Republic....
Any explanation for that, Mr.Peabody?
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Yohan » September 25th, 2017, 12:22 pm

MrPeabody wrote:Have you ever actually met a real Muslim? And what was your experience?


Who is a 'real Muslim' by your definition?

Experience? Well, Muslim is not Muslim, it depends from which area they are.

I met many Muslims in my life - in Turkey and Iran and when I was still working for African countries, I met many African Muslims, for example Arabs (Egypt), and black Muslims along the African West Coast (Senegal and other countries).

The worst Muslims I met in my life were from Saudi Arabia - lazy, arrogant, demanding, rich but very greedy and stingy, these are people without any respect to non-Muslims and without any respect even to Muslim immigrants who serve them.

I speak Malay and I considered seriously to buy a condominium-unit and to retire in Southern Thailand not far to Malaysian border, 80 percent Muslim population, but I changed my mind and moved up for Pattaya area. It was too dangerous in the South in Yala, Pattani, Narathiwat - all the time bombings, kidnappings, beheadings ...

Same in the Philippines in the South, some remote places were always unsafe, because of Muslim pirates, but now you cannot even stay in a resort anymore near Davao without being in danger to be kidnapped or killed as a non-Muslim.

There was no problem like that up to around 1985 or 1990 neither in Malaysia, Thailand nor Philippines. At that time, 30 to 40 years ago, foreigners were NEVER attacked by Asian Muslims - but this changed considerably.

Islam is not a peaceful religion anymore, Islam is now attacking everybody who is a non-Muslim and even Muslims who are unwilling to co-operate with those radical elements. As an atheist, I do not know anymore, who as a Muslim might be friendly to me and who wants to kill me.

Nowadays, no other religion has such a strong radical movement.
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby MrPeabody » September 25th, 2017, 3:19 pm

What you are describing seems to be more ethnic behavior and has nothing to do with Islam itself. Are Muslim Bosnians lazy and obnoxious? When lower class English destroy a soccer stadium, we don't say that Christians rioted. But everyone who is from certain countries or ethnic classes are labeled as Muslims.

Islam has been radicalized mostly by having bombs dropped on their countries by the West. The Hijab is a relatively recent invention. In the 1960s, Iranian women dressed as westerners. It was the Americans and British that assassinated a democratically elected Iranian president. It was Britain after World War I that put the most radical sect known to Islam in power in Saudi Arabia. It was the United States that murdered Saddam Hussein, who was running a secular state. Blaming this on Islam is ignoring the fact that any society can be radicalized, and it is the West that has consistently promoted radicalism in the Islamic world. Islam is not the problem.
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Yohan » September 25th, 2017, 6:07 pm

MrPeabody wrote:When lower class English destroy a soccer stadium, we don't say that Christians rioted. But everyone who is from certain countries or ethnic classes are labeled as Muslims.


Of course nobody will say these Christians rioted because Jesus told them to do it.

No Brit hooligan ever said, he is beating up innocent people or destroying property because it is written in the Bible that Christians should feel free to go ahead with it or because these victims are not-Christians.

However Muslims are claiming to do this in the name of Allah and showing up with verses from the Quran.

It was Britain after World War I that put the most radical sect known to Islam in power in Saudi Arabia.


All Muslims in the world should be grateful to UK - indeed, the most holy place for Muslims is now guarded by the most conservative Islamic group.

It was the United States that murdered Saddam Hussein, who was running a secular state.


It was not USA, which started the golf war. It was Saddam Hussein, who invaded Kuwait - a little place, but the bestfriend of Saudi Arabia and USA.
Saddam Hussein was warned and told to move out immediately, but he said something like: 'The president of USA is a big man with a small brain and we will stay in Kuwait forever.' - It did not took a long time and all Iraqi were out of Kuwait and US-military pulled Saddam out of a hole somewhere in his own country where he tried to hide himself.

You have to live with the fact, that USA is a very powerful country and has a strong military. - If you provoke the US-government too much, it will do something to remove such a troublemaker from politics.

About bombings, as far as I see, Russians were also bombing out Muslim places, like Afghanistan and Syria etc. in the past. What do you think about them?

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About Iran, this happened a long time ago, still during the Korean War, a few years after the end of WWII. This president, exactly 63 years ago in 1953, Mohammad Mosaddegh, was not assassinated by the USA, but was kept under house arrest in his large residence and died in 1967, he was 84 years old, so it seems he was not so badly treated as you suggest.

However without question Western countries, USA and UK and some others supported strongly the secular Mohammed Reza Shah and the monarchy, but due to the Islamic revolution he had to leave in 1979.

It was Shia-Islam (Ruhollah Khomeini) which removed the secular political system and replaced it with a 'Islamic Republic' in Iran and not the USA or UK.
Khomeini ordered the execution of thousands of political prisoners, he was also responsible for taking hostage of the staff of the US-Embassy in Tehran, a grave violation of international law.
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Contrarian Expatriate » September 25th, 2017, 9:30 pm

Yohan wrote:No Brit hooligan ever said, he is beating up innocent people or destroying property because it is written in the Bible that Christians should feel free to go ahead with it or because these victims are not-Christians.

However Muslims are claiming to do this in the name of Allah and showing up with verses from the Quran.

I agree. For all my disdain for Christianity (and all religious faiths), Islam is a particular problem.

I believe that Islam is truly a religion of "piece," a piece of you of over here, a piece of me over there, and pieces of us all blown all over the place!"

But really it is not a religion at all, but a totalitarian ideology hell bent on obtaining and maintaining control over people from low-IQ societies. The quran establishes the rules and parameters of living and violence is condoned and even encouraged in some contexts.

Yes, Christianity is deceptive and disingenuous, but Islam is far, far worse and must be completely wiped from the soiled anus of the earth. But don't take my word for it, read the accounts of former Muslims and how they are treated, threatened and made to fear for their lives all their lives.

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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby OutWest » September 25th, 2017, 9:48 pm

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
Yohan wrote:No Brit hooligan ever said, he is beating up innocent people or destroying property because it is written in the Bible that Christians should feel free to go ahead with it or because these victims are not-Christians.

However Muslims are claiming to do this in the name of Allah and showing up with verses from the Quran.

I agree. For all my disdain for Christianity (and all religious faiths), Islam is a particular problem.

I believe that Islam is truly a religion of "piece," a piece of you of over here, a piece of me over there, and pieces of us all blown all over the place!"

But really it is not a religion at all, but a totalitarian ideology hell bent on obtaining and maintaining control over people from low-IQ societies. The quran establishes the rules and parameters of living and violence is condoned and even encouraged in some contexts.

Yes, Christianity is deceptive and disingenuous, but Islam is far, far worse and must be completely wiped from the soiled anus of the earth. But don't take my word for it, read the accounts of former Muslims and how they are treated, threatened and made to fear for their lives all their lives.

Free your mind gents, reject religious faith in favor of logic, reason, and enlightened self-interest.


You are spot on. Islam is all about enslavement, terror and totalitarian rule. If the Devil exists, Islam is his masterpiece along with Marxism.
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Misko_Varesanovic » September 26th, 2017, 8:05 pm

Hey there guys,
I hope that this post finds you all keeping well.

This is a great thread with a number of valuable contributions.

What follows are five points which may be of some use to you:

1. 'The Muslims' Don't Exist.

There are an estimated 1.7-1.8 billion Muslims in the world – in other words, nearly one in four (c.23%) of every human being on Earth is at least nominally of the Islamic faith. Moreover, they are spread over a very wide geographical area: there are Muslim-majority nations stretching from Albania and Morocco in the west to Indonesia in the east.

In other words, in most contexts it makes precisely zero sense to lump together billions of people who share little other than their religion – very broadly defined – and their common humanity, which we all share.

2. Religion isn't Necessarily Determinative.

Not surprisingly, other factors usually tell us much about people than their religious label. Ask yourself this: does a Bosnian called Sabina have more in common with her Serbian counterpart – let's call her Suzana – in terms of language, culture, values and a million other things, or with Susi in Jakarta?

Similarly, does Jakartan Susi have more in common with Sabina in distant Bosnia, or with Teresa in neighbouring Malaysia? It's a no-brainer. A shared geography is normally far more salient than a shared religious faith.

3. 1979

One of the enduring clichés about American society in the context of the media is that Americans know everything about the last 24 hours and nothing about the previous sixty years. The media and/or establishment treatment of Muslims and Islam is a classic example of this.

Before 1979, popular depictions of Muslims and Islam often centred around the idea that Muslims were too liberal and louche. (You have to remember that this is before the pornification of Western society and the explosion of divorce.) Those 'crazy' Muslims were viewed as decadent: they were allowed four wives each, and they seemed to be obsessed with harems and houris. Edward Said – the late Palestinian Christian intellectual – wrote about this with great erudition in his classic Orientalism (1978): the sexual 'looseness' of regions such as the Near East, the Middle East and South Asia was contrasted strongly with the morally 'upright' (secular) Christian colonisers and/or imperial powers.

But post-1979 – and especially post-2001 – Muslims are suddenly portrayed as sexually repressed and in need of a different kind of 'civilising'. Does this sound realistic to you?

Of course, there is an element of truth in both perspectives: it is correct that like other non-Western cultures such as the Chinese and Japanese, Islamic culture has traditionally been much more receptive to sex as a pleasurable, spiritual experience. And it is also correct that with the spread of petrodollar-funded Saudi Wahhabism, there has been an attempted popularising of puritanical attitudes in parts of the Muslim world. But these subtleties are usually overlooked in favour of easy and largely inaccurate caricatures.

4. Another Day in Paradise.

In the mindless march towards the abyss of futile resource wars – a topic which Mr Wu has expounded on very skillfully – it's a real shame that the dehumanising and blatant anti-Muslim propaganda belched out 24-7-52 by instant so-called experts is obscuring the fact that there are Muslim-majority countries and/or regions which are amazing if you want a serious relationship (i.e. marriage) with a sensual, attractive and devoted lady. In places such as Macedonia and Lebanon there are also large Christian populations which, again, are replete with astonishingly beautiful women. If you are a committed man who wants a deep and meaningful connection with a female who knows how to reciprocate love, it would be criminal insanity not to travel to these parts of the world at least once in your life and see another dimension to existence.
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Yohan » September 27th, 2017, 4:02 am

Misko_Varesanovic wrote:What follows are five points which may be of some use to you:

1. 'The Muslims' Don't Exist.

2. Religion isn't Necessarily Determinative.

3. 1979

4. Another Day in Paradise.


I see only 4 points in your comment. Where is point no. 5?
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Yohan » September 27th, 2017, 5:02 am

Misko_Varesanovic wrote:
4. Another Day in Paradise.
..... there are Muslim-majority countries and/or regions which are amazing if you want a serious relationship (i.e. marriage) with a sensual, attractive and devoted lady. In places such as Macedonia and Lebanon there are also large Christian populations...


This is a forum about dating foreign women, away from the Western world, and to relocate to other places worldwide.

'Amazing women' might be true but it remains the fact that you cannot directly date any Muslim woman due to gender separation even if you are a Muslim man. As a non-Muslim man you are totally out of question and are forced to convert to Islam, a non-acceptable one-way.

How can you date a Muslim woman if you are not even allowed to see her face, to talk to her and to go out with her?

Interesting to notice that Muslim men do not have such a restriction, they approach any woman who is not a Muslim.

It also should be mentioned that money pays a major role in the Islamic world, more than anywhere else. No money and you are a single if you are a poor Muslim man and there are many poor Muslim men in this world.

Nice to read that you point out some few places, where you can find a large population percentage of people who are not Muslims, like the small area of Bosnia and the little place called Lebanon. Muslims there have no other choice but to 'tolerate' freedom of religion.

However what about the other countries, where Muslims are the huge majority?

See the reality of life. I do not know about any religion nowadays, which is promoting a justice system of amputation and violent beating.

It remains the fact that Islam is threatening any Muslim who wants to leave this faith with murder because of 'apostasy' and is threatening non-Muslims who is critical about Islam with death accusing them of blasphemy.
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby MrPeabody » September 27th, 2017, 5:18 am

I talked to one Muslim woman in Thailand and I could see her face and she was very intelligent. You have Muslim women in Indonesia, Turkey, and all over the world, with different customs and ethnic makeup. What about white Muslims in Bosnia? Since this is a Happier Abroad site, it is perfectly reasonable to discuss dating Muslim women. This is where a prejudiced and distorted view of reality interferes with and artificially restricts a persons possibilities.
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Yohan » September 27th, 2017, 5:55 am

MrPeabody wrote:I talked to one Muslim woman in Thailand and I could see her face and she was very intelligent. You have Muslim women in Indonesia, Turkey, and all over the world, with different customs and ethnic makeup. What about white Muslims in Bosnia? Since this is a Happier Abroad site, it is perfectly reasonable to discuss dating Muslim women. This is where a prejudiced and distorted view of reality interferes with and artificially restricts a persons possibilities.


It's about dating a Muslim woman while the man is not a Muslim.

I see no problem to try it out in Thailand or Bosnia, these places are not Islamic Republics.

I would be a bit more careful in some places in Indonesia - especially in Western located areas in Sumatra or in rural places in Eastern Turkey.

But what about Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan, Sudan and so on? Do a Yahoo search and check out about 'honor killings'...
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Yohan » September 27th, 2017, 7:12 am

Misko_Varesanovic wrote:Hey there guys,
1. 'The Muslims' Don't Exist.
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In other words, in most contexts it makes precisely zero sense to lump together billions of people who share little other than their religion – very broadly defined – and their common humanity, which we all share.

2. Religion isn't Necessarily Determinative.

.....Ask yourself this: does a Bosnian called Sabina have more in common with her Serbian counterpart – let's call her Suzana – in terms of language, culture, values and a million other things, or with Susi in Jakarta?

Similarly, does Jakartan Susi have more in common with Sabina in distant Bosnia, or with Teresa in neighbouring Malaysia? It's a no-brainer. A shared geography is normally far more salient than a shared religious faith.


Yes, but only 'in most contexts' - excluding Islam.... and this is really the problem.

Question to you, what has a Muslim girl from Germany and a Muslim girl from Bangladesh in common?

http://bangladeshchronicle.net/2016/07/four-suspected-jmb-women-held-in-sirajganj/
Four suspected members of Jamaat-ul-Mujahideen Bangladesh, a banned militant outfit, were held from a flat at Masimpur in Sirajganj early Sunday.
The detainees are identified as Nadira Tabassum Rani, 30, of Salanga in Sirajganj, Habiba Aktar Mishu, 18 and Rumana Aktar Ruma of Shahjahanpur in Bogra, Runa Begum, 19, of Gobindaganj in Gaibandha.
Sirajganj police superintendent Siraj Uddin Ahmed of Detective Branch said acting on a tip off they raided the flat at 3:15am and caught the females with several books on militancy, bomb making materials, detonators and six crude bombs.


http://www.newsweek.com/german-girl-who-joined-isis-iraq-video-capture-647718
The teenage girl from Germany who joined the Islamic State militant group (ISIS) in Iraq has appeared in a video uploaded to YouTube that shows the moment Iraqi forces captured her in the northern city of Mosul.

The mobile phone footage shows 16-year-old Linda W. surrounded by Iraqi soldiers who have battled to liberate the city from ISIS for nine months. Two of the soldiers are holding her arms, and she screams as they shout at her. Iraqi troops have accused her of being a sniper for ISIS.

Iraqi troops discovered Linda W. hiding in a tunnel in the Old City alongside other women who had joined ISIS, as well as an array of weapons.


https://www.geo.tv/latest/114344-Bangladesh-police-kill-suspected-militant-arrest-three-women

Bangladesh police kill suspected militant, arrest three women

DHAKA: A suspected militant was killed and three women were wounded and arrested in a shootout with police during a raid on a hideout used by militants in Bangladesh's capital Dhaka, a senior police official said.

Authorities have intensified a hunt for suspected militants following a July 1 attack on an upmarket restaurant that killed at least 22 people, mostly foreigners, in one of most brazen attacks in Bangladesh.

Daesh (IS) terrorist group claimed responsibility for the assault.

Five police officers from the counter terrorism unit were also wounded when female militants attacked them with explosives and knives, senior police Sahabuddin Qureshi told reporters.

The three wounded women and the injured police officials were taken to the Dhaka Medical College Hospital, he added.


Sounds 'somehow similar', do you not think so?
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Yohan » September 27th, 2017, 7:16 am

http://www.terrorscoop.com/bangladesh-another-hindu-butchered-standing-sexual-harassment-women-muslims/

Bangladesh: Another Hindu butchered for standing up against sexual harassment of women by Muslims

A Hindu man was killed after he protested sexual harassment of Hindu women in Bangladesh in the latest atrocity that has come to light from the South Asian nation.
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Hindu man Sonaton Modak was killed after he protested sexual harassment of the Hindu women during religious function “Hori Bashar” at Shahajanpur Upazila of Bogra District on 02.04.2016 at about 10 p.m.
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But these attacks are growing with an increased frequency in Bangladesh and the law enforcement agencies seem to be helpless due to rising radicalization in Bangladesh.


I am not surprised that non-Muslims - Christians, Hindu, Buddhists etc. and atheists too of course are highly mistrusting to anybody who has anything to do with Islam.
What will these Muslim men do with you, if you are an infidel and you try to date a Muslim woman?
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Re: The Truth Behind Islam

Postby Adama » September 27th, 2017, 2:57 pm

Yes, you don't see Christians who are so dangerous. At least in history, the Christians who were killing were actually at war with an enemy in open declaration (not that I approve, just citing differences). However, what many of the Muslims consider war, is an undeclared and indiscriminate unofficial war, against all those who are not like them. They don't even have a specific enemy, neither have they made open declaration.

You also don't see Christian fighters or warriors of any kind. Neither do you see Christians trying to conquer the world through war. And you don't see groups of devout and vocal Christians out raping non-Christian women. And you don't see Christians killing random people in the name of God or for an offense of honor.

It's a different form of justice altogether. Really it just seems to be a religion bent upon oppression and murder.

The most a Christian will do to you is disown you, if you're a reprobate. You might have some overzealous types who might yell hellfire at you. But they aren't going to kill you because you aren't one of them. Neither will they threaten to murder you for blasphemy against God. And neither will they try to kill you if you preached to them another religion. They would simply reject it and the person who brought it with them.
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