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The Problem With Atheists and Atheism

Postby jamesbond » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:33 pm

This is a good video by Stefan Molyneux regarding atheists.

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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby fschmidt » Sun Apr 17, 2016 5:55 am

Very good
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby Adama » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:58 am

I'll rejoice when he claims to be saved by grace through faith with eternal security. Anyone can pay lip service to God, especially in the name of hating communists. You can see that there are many men who acknowledge God but deny Him His power. He's moving in the right direction, but I still wouldn't trust him just yet considering the other anti-God things he's said in the past. Besides that, he's Jewish by Jewish standards (through the mother, not by faith). These people often claim to believe the God of the Old Testament but they hate Jesus who is God of both the Old and New Testaments and who is the Word of God in the flesh. Which means they hate God period but only pay him lip service.

These people honoreth me with their mouth and their lips but their heart is far from me. ( Isaiah 29:13 , Matthew 15:8, Mark 7:6 )
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby Ghost » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:37 pm

The practical problem with atheism is that it makes for an atomized, unstable society. There is not one example of a prosperous atheistic society. (i.e. a society that began as atheistic and then entered its era of prosperity.) Religion becomes the ties that bind. The (or one likely) etymology of the word even suggests this.

Beyond that, the problem with atheism is that it gives you no logical basis to care for anything beyond your mortal flesh. You can pass on your genes, but you will be gone forever. A religion must explain morality (life on earth) and the afterlife (the results of and meaning of life on earth.) This is my greatest struggle with religion. Morality is relatively easy to figure out because it can all be connected to something tangible (i.e. don't commit adultery, don't steal, and don't kill because it does harm in the here and now.) The afterlife can be reasoned out as well, but as of yet I don't see any definite explanation that makes perfect sense.
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby Eric » Sun Apr 17, 2016 7:49 pm

The problem with atheism is that it's only reason for existing was as a creation in order to complete socialism, and to compete and destroy Christianity - and other world religions.
That is it's only reason for existing. It's bankrupt, stupid, and a tool to be used to get something else. It's not what everyone thinks it is, it is deceiving.
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby Eric » Sun Apr 17, 2016 8:35 pm

I went to a Turkish culture House the other night for a presentation on France - there was a banquet and many people there; people were mingling and everyone was sitting down at tables talking with each other. I stumbled in for the first time and, since I hadn't known anyone I walked over to 2 guys standing next to a pillar. I introduced myself and got to talking with one of them.. we got in conversation and he mentioned something about fleeing Europe during the 40's as a child. So, i asked him if he was Jewish - he said yes.

Something I noticed about this man; when all the food was served and everybody sat back down again - he walked completely across the room and sat by himself on a row of chairs against the wall. It was as if he positioned himself directly towards everyone, but apart. I went over and sat next to him and tried to talk some more. He came across as aloof, separate, apart, and not wishing to be anything otherwise. He made no gesture to engage conversation with anyone, and I found him to come off as rather cold - although wasn't wishing to be so on purpose.
This Stefan M. talks about everything from a third party perspective. He's giving his "God given" perspective on everything, talking about Christians and atheists, and halfway claimed to endorse atheism at one point (big surprise). It seems to me as if this is how Jewish people see the world, and its peoples. In a way Stefan M. has this same attitude I've seen with the man at the banquet.
...You can clearly see how this intellectual attitude of "offering my master opinion, and the power to change and switch and discuss things from an up top perspective" has become in a sense, our American popular culture. Youtube, myspace, facebook. We have become a lot more narcissistic, self-important...and egotistical.
Every American is doing it now, interesting. I am just offering some food for thought here.

Our values used to be Christian values. Now... where are we?
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby suprmon » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:26 pm

The only problem I see with atheism, is that the people of religion have no domination or control over them, and that's what people of religion don't like about them! I find it interesting that of all the people who have done the most terrible things of the world there's not a one I heard of that was a devote atheist! Devil worshippers yes, but not atheist!
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby fschmidt » Sun Apr 17, 2016 9:28 pm

suprmon wrote:I find it interesting that of all the people who have done the most terrible things of the world there's not a one I heard of that was a devote atheist! Devil worshippers yes, but not atheist!

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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby Winston » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:18 pm

Why is stefan molyneaux criticizing his own religion? He is an atheist too and believes every philosopher should be one.

Did you know that atheism didnt exist before the 20th century? Its a very modern thing. Before the 20th century you would have had a hard time finding any atheists, at least among professionals. Even Charles Darwin believed in God, much to atheists dismay. So did the biggest critics of Christianity, such as Thomas Paine, Robert Ingersoll, etc. They all believed in a creator or creators, or a grand architect of some kind.

There are many problems with atheists. They cannot explain the origin of life or the universe. And they cannot explain away the design argument. Richard Dawkins tried but he utterly failed and made arguments that made no sense and cannot be demonstrated. They cannot prove evolution, which has been debunked long ago. They cannot explain how evolution produced even the simplest cell. Even the co-discoverer of DNA, Francis Kricke, who was an atheist, admitted that DNA could NOT have evolved from chance, evolution or random mutations.

There was this cell discovered called the flagellan that has been a thorn in the atheists and evolutionists side, because its parts represent irreducible complexity, meaning that it could NOT have evolved from a simpler form. Thus stumping evolutionists.

Next time an atheist asks you "if God made the universe, then who made God?" ask them "If everything started with the Big Bang then what was before the Big Bang?" If they dont know, then ask them why they always put the burden of proof on the theists but never on themselves, hence a double standard? They cant escape that.
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby Winston » Sun Apr 17, 2016 10:40 pm

fschmidt wrote:
suprmon wrote:I find it interesting that of all the people who have done the most terrible things of the world there's not a one I heard of that was a devote atheist! Devil worshippers yes, but not atheist!

Mao and Stalin


Yeah and ive yet to hear of a great leader who was an atheist. Every great leader in history believed in God. People with passion, vision and creativity are usually never atheists. Neither are warm people in general. When have you heard of a great artist, poet, writer, actor or musician being an atheist? Also, people who are great geniuses or inventors are usually never atheists either. That should tell you something.

In fact humans seem hardwired to believe in a creator, as if it were natural to believe in God. Thus atheism is not natural at all. It seems to be a modern invention or aberration.

Yet in spite of all that, it seems that atheism is on the rise and more popular now than ever. Especially since money, science, consumerism and technology have replaced religion.

Have any of you noticed that at least half of western men nowadays are atheists? Why is that? What is it about western men that makes them lean toward atheism so much nowadays? Any of you notice this too? They also tend to have this "if i cant touch or see it, then i dont believe it" mentality, and they deny the supernatural too, even when you show them plenty of evidence for it. They also have this belief that science can explain everything, even when it cant. Why? Is this a modern male thing? How come western men werent like this before the 20th century?
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby Winston » Sun Apr 17, 2016 11:04 pm

The deepest problem with atheists is that they dont stand for anything. Without God and religion, money and consumerism becomes your God. Thus making you easier to control for the ruling elite or government, since they control money and the material world after all.

This may be why the Chinese government preaches atheism and may explain why the Chinese are so overly obsessed with money to the extreme. And in the case of China, the government is seen as God as well, thus replacing religion with centralized authority and statism. How convenient.

The danger with atheism is that without principles, virtues and a moral compass, you become empty and malleable, without true purpose or meaning. Thus you allow your government, media or society to create your purpose and meaning for you.

As a consequence, you can even start believing that you can become God yourself, thus leading to rampant foolish narcissism and self-delusion, all of which is unnatural and unhealthy. But thats exactly what New Age movements and self-help industries foster and preach. It falsely presupposes that everyone is wise enough to become their own God, and encourages people to live in their own world, thus leading to social isolation from others as well, which undermines joy and happiness ultimately.

Atheism also leads to moral relativism, the belief that morality and right and wrong are subjective. Therefore, you are free to create your own morals, even for your own gain, and you are free to define your own definition of right and wrong too. This is a dangerous belief system for obvious reasons. Conspiracy lecturer Mark Passio has raved a lot about that on YouTube. Search for his name there to listen to what he has to say on that.

Atheism is also illogical, since one cannot prove that no God or creator or grand architect designer exists, therefore one cannot logically take such a stand. Its one thing to prove that God, or our creators, may not be perfect or all powerful or even good. But its another thing to prove that no creators or grand designers of our world exists, which is technically impossible. Hence it makes no logical sense to adopt that as ones belief system.
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby Eric » Mon Apr 18, 2016 1:46 am

People are like this in the West because God has been utterly attacked and destroyed, to the point - and people who believe in God, so abused, vilified, culturally oppressed, ridiculed, etc...., unrelentingly like a tidal force (via Tavistock/ see here http://educate-yourself.org/nwo/nwotavistockbestkeptsecret.shtml) and the Frankfurt school.

A lot of people just gave it up. It is very evil, what's going on here. This site is like the last holdout of light that I have found in the modern world, seriously. I didn't even know and forgot people still think like this.
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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby halnovemila » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:42 am

Winston wrote:The deepest problem with atheists is that they dont stand for anything.


Uhm... that's not correct Winston, religions are ideologies and philosophies which are believed to be "right" because are brought to the men by mean of "revelation".
If you remove the "revelation" property, which is exactly what atheists refuse to believe, what is left is ideology and philosophy.
So, where there's no religion, there still is ideology and philosophy and that's what men stand for.
So, you see, in Europe, we had Nazism and Comunism, which have been very strong ideologies, for which millions of men had stand for, and they aren't religions.

Winston wrote:Without God and religion, money and consumerism becomes your God. Thus making you easier to control for the ruling elite or government, since they control money and the material world after all.


Atheists would say that religions are a way for the ruling elite to control the people.

Winston wrote:This may be why the Chinese government preaches atheism and may explain why the Chinese are so overly obsessed with money to the extreme. And in the case of China, the government is seen as God as well, thus replacing religion with centralized authority and statism. How convenient.


Well, that's true in all countries where the communist ideology is mainstream, and I can tell you, from direct experience, that is even VERY TRUE in Italy where the "home" of the Christian Catholic Church is.
I've many time wrote about this consistent, even if untold, very common mindset of a great majority of italians to address to the "state" and "government" as if they were respectively God and ministers of God.
Whatever is the problem, even a earthquake, people are used to blame the government for not having had properly interceded with the almighty power of the "state" to avoid the disaster or trouble to happened or to solve the troubles to everyone who is supposed to deserve a decent and comfortable life (that is virtually everyone with the only exception of criminals).
There's a very strong and rooted belief in a majority of italians, even among Christians believers, that the "state" can do "everything".

Winston wrote:The danger with atheism is that without principles, virtues and a moral compass, you become empty and malleable, without true purpose or meaning. Thus you allow your government, media or society to create your purpose and meaning for you.


Atheists would argue that being "naive", ignorant about the "truth" of the "real world" (that can be known only by mean of science), and believing in religions makes people to be malleable and easy to control by the elite who is at the top of the religious istitution hierarchy

Winston wrote:Atheism is also illogical, since one cannot prove that no God or creator or grand architect designer exists, therefore one cannot logically take such a stand. Its one thing to prove that God, or our creators, may not be perfect or all powerful or even good. But its another thing to prove that no creators or grand designers of our world exists, which is technically impossible. Hence it makes no logical sense to adopt that as ones belief system.


Yes, I totally agree; though it is possible (sometimes and for some limited extent) to "prove" the existence of something in a given space and time, it's impossible to prove the "absolute" inexistence of something in any space and time; believing in the possibility of such "proof" is just illogical and anyone who claim to be reasonable and logical should be able to recognize such impossibility.
Anyway if it's "illogical" to being atheists just only on the wrong assumption the God inexistence has been "proved" (which is impossible), it is anyway still "reasonable" to "believe" in the absence of any "living God" as it can't be proven wrong, as believing in the existence of a living God can't be proven right.

As it seems very related to the topic I take the chance to share here my own "Hal's Theory of Evolution" which it comes to my mind and I published few months ago.
http://controsensi.blogspot.com/2016/02/r-evolution-idea-of-hal-ex.html

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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby starchild5 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 4:57 am

Both sides are wrong...Otherwise, We would not have a Western Civilization that F**cks you from all sides.

Its not that simple, if it was, There was no need for Winston to travel half way across the world to get what he wanted in life. All he had to do, to negate all his problem was to become an Atheist in America and if he was an Atheist already, all he had to do was believe in a God and voila...all his problems would go away.

We have been in both sides at some point in time guys and we still feel screwed, else there wouldn't be any HappierAbroad.

West is screwed with or without God. Guaranteed, because Atheism is just the Anti-Thesis of the GOD. Many Americans are already beginning to be awake from the con of Church based religion and when they become non-believers, they are still screwed.

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BECAUSE...The biggest poison ever created on earth is Christianity and Islam....It was designed to cut you off from the REAL GOD...Even if you believe in GOD...You believe in the wrong GOD...You are screwed.

99.99% of humanity is living in FAKE TIME LINE, Which was not created by REAL GOD.

Now, even if you believe in God. Your life will be screwed, because you are not getting the energy of TRUE GOD but false Christ and Allah and Buddha etc

Being an Atheist and a believer in GOD is same ...That is the biggest CON
Its not that easy to come out of misery for this reason.

Stefan Molyneux is a first rated thug, DO NOT LISTEN TO HIM...He believes 911 was done by Terrorist not American government, that's the level of deception. He promotes jewish cryto currencies. He will take you on the road of darkness. BEWARE

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Re: The Problem With Atheists

Postby starchild5 » Mon Apr 18, 2016 5:11 am

People become Atheist, because god is represented on Earth by DEVIL himself.

God is nothing like what we have been told.

You want to meet God. You have to follow Natural Law of the Universe, aka DHARMA...The Duty you have to perform when you are born as a human being.

Just by going to church, temple, mosque and PRAYING TO GOD won't bring you any closer, being Atheist won't do anything either...That's the Con....Western people fail to understand...You are been F**cked from Both Sides.

You can only MEET GOD THROUGH your DHARMA. There are guidelines, stuff you need to do, to meet GOD.

GOD exist...GOD IS REAL....but make sure, you are not praying to Devil.

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For example...You cannot meet God, if you don't take care of your Parents, your child, your wife...Its as simple as that...You have a Karmic baggage...You will be recycled again on earth to do these things..Atheist or believer in God...If you don't do your DUTY...You cannot meet GOD.

In the west...You only hear about Karma...BUT there is a bigger thing, that devil hides from you..Its called DHARMA..The only true path to meet the real GOD.

If you do your DHARMA, THERE IS NO KARMA

DHARMA IS YOUR DUTY>>>aka..DO THE RIGHT THING

IF you don't do the right thing...You get KARMA...You see, this is hidden from you by design.

DHARMA Is 1 trillion times more powerful than KARMA

No human being can meet god, unless he does his Dharma Properly. An atheist can be with god, if he does his Dharma, a religious person will never be with god, if he does not perform his Duty.

Just believing in God, Going to Church DOES NOTHING << Read this again

NOT believing in God << DOES NOTHING EITHER

Perform your Dharma first, so that you will not get any Karma and you will be free. :) :) :P

Only way to meet god is by doing THE RIGHT THING AKA YOUR DHARMA. There are guidelines, given by the true god which one needs to follow to come out of the perpetual misery one finds on planet earth, irrespective of praying to shiva, vishnu, jesus, allah, buddha.

YOU NEED TO DO THE RIGHT THING NO MATTER WHAT..and You are on your way to be with real god.
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