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Re: Joel Osteen - Most powerful/successful preacher in Ameri

Postby Adama » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:34 pm

Winston wrote:
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Winston wrote:You guys cant deny something. If YOU had osteens amazing public speaking talents and the opportunity given to him to become a star and get rich, theres no doubt that YOU would gladly take it and you know it. So if you were in osteens shoes, youd do the exact same thing. Youd use your talents and opportunity to get rich and capitalize on it. Dont deny it. Therefore we are in no position to judge him, since we would all be like him too, given the chance.


This is not true. A true believer wouldn't put himself in such a position, and I highly doubt God would allow for it.


Osteen didnt put himself in a position to be rich. Read his bio. His dad was a preacher and pastor too, of the same church. When he died, osteen took over his fathers church. So his family gave him the opportunity. Then he discovered he had a talent for preaching these power talks and the media rewarded him for it. Nothing unethical about that. You would do the same if you were him. We all would. Dont deny it. None of us are saints. You live a double life too adama. Dont deny it. No one can live a purely moral life. Christian moral standards are artificial and impossible. You know it.

How much do you give to the poor adama? How much do you donate to charities? Do you even give to beggars? If not who are you to expect osteen not to capitalize on his blessings? Or why would you expect him to reject millions of dollars? Ill bet you would not reject millions of dollars. If you say you would then youre a liar. :p


By definition I am a saint. Any saved person, that is any believer in Christ by faith alone without works, is a saint, according to the Bible. So I can openly say, I am a saint already.

Now as I saint, I can say, I would not become a false prophet, because I fear the power of God to destroy my life. And that would not be any fun. Those unbelievers get their punishment in hell. So they can seemingly get away with their crimes.
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Re: Joel Osteen - Most powerful/successful preacher in Ameri

Postby Kradmelder » Thu Sep 22, 2016 6:58 pm

Adama , you are not open to false prophets because your spirit is already filled with Christ. I am happy with life as well and at peace, so there is no opening for a serpent whispering in my ear.

Winston is a good man and intelligent but his spirit is not at peace. He is looking for something, going from country to country, bar to bar, cheap slut to cheap slut, looking for peace and joy. This emptiness makes him open to the words of false prophets promising him joy and success.

You will never convince him it is words from a serpent. The bible says their words will drip with honey, and his spirit craves that at the moment. Rather if Winston were to find inner peace he would not be open to this.

I prefer to wish Winston inner peace, blessings and joy. Then he will see this jew boy for what he really is.
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Re: Joel Osteen - Most powerful/successful preacher in Ameri

Postby Rock » Thu Sep 22, 2016 8:37 pm

Winston wrote:
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Winston wrote:You guys cant deny something. If YOU had osteens amazing public speaking talents and the opportunity given to him to become a star and get rich, theres no doubt that YOU would gladly take it and you know it. So if you were in osteens shoes, youd do the exact same thing. Youd use your talents and opportunity to get rich and capitalize on it. Dont deny it. Therefore we are in no position to judge him, since we would all be like him too, given the chance.

Moreover if you watch his sermons, you can see from his facial expressions and eyes that he is a caring person who feels what he says. Hes a man with feelings and compassion too. Hes not faking it all. There is genuine emotion on his face. He does care about helping people. Watch his face and you will see.


Money and power creates big egos and corrupts majority of people I believe if and when they get too much of those things. If Osteen were the real deal, he would donate majority of his earnings and just hold on to a few million at most. And he wouldn't be living in a ten million dollar home. You know Warren Buffet lives in a modest residence and engages in a regular lifestyle, not a life of luxury? He may be one of the richest guys on the planet but he doesn't seem to be in love with money. Guys like Bernie Sanders are much closer to being real servants of the people. Osteen's vibe is one of plastic, phoniness, ego, and exploitation. You seem to be attracted to certain types of con men lol.


I already addressed this rock. You didnt answer my questions. You have extra money. Do you give to the poor? Do you give to filipino beggars? No you dont. So why you expect osteen to give away most of his money?

If you were osteen would you give away your millions? No you would not and you know it. Put your hand on the bible and swear to tell the truth.

So arent you hypocritical? Lol.

Plus we all know that giving to the poor doesnt really help them. Thats why we dont give to beggars in the Philippines. It just goes down a black hole and makes them ask for more.

You know that saying: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.


I don't know whether or not I would be corrupted if I had anything close to his money and power. But I don't. I'm not saying people worth 10s of thousands or 100s of thousands or even a few million need to give away massive amounts of money. Because to be really set for life, you do need a few million. But after that, it's all cream, private jets, and ego. Do you realize that Osteen's has a published net worth of $40 mn! And he's supposed to be a man of God. Don't be such a chump.

If I was a servant of people (the rare genuine politician) or a servant of God (pastor, preacher, minister), walked my talk, and I had $40 mn in net assets, I would donate most of that to my ministry. I could keep a nice $5 mn for myself and family and the rest would go to what I preach. Otherwise, I'm just a poser who's corrupted by money, power, and ego!

So Winston, why don't you walk your own talk. Drop 5 K on one of Mark Davis's Dream Tours, go back to Bunny Ranch to blow another 1.5 K, then donate the rest of your savings to Mr. Osteen himself lololol?
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Re: Joel Osteen - Most powerful/successful preacher in Ameri

Postby Winston » Thu Sep 22, 2016 9:18 pm

Rock wrote:
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Rock wrote:Money and power creates big egos and corrupts majority of people I believe if and when they get too much of those things. If Osteen were the real deal, he would donate majority of his earnings and just hold on to a few million at most. And he wouldn't be living in a ten million dollar home. You know Warren Buffet lives in a modest residence and engages in a regular lifestyle, not a life of luxury? He may be one of the richest guys on the planet but he doesn't seem to be in love with money. Guys like Bernie Sanders are much closer to being real servants of the people. Osteen's vibe is one of plastic, phoniness, ego, and exploitation. You seem to be attracted to certain types of con men lol.


I already addressed this rock. You didnt answer my questions. You have extra money. Do you give to the poor? Do you give to filipino beggars? No you dont. So why you expect osteen to give away most of his money?

If you were osteen would you give away your millions? No you would not and you know it. Put your hand on the bible and swear to tell the truth.

So arent you hypocritical? Lol.

Plus we all know that giving to the poor doesnt really help them. Thats why we dont give to beggars in the Philippines. It just goes down a black hole and makes them ask for more.

You know that saying: Give a man a fish and you feed him for a day. Teach a man to fish and you feed him for life.


I don't know whether or not I would be corrupted if I had anything close to his money and power. But I don't. I'm not saying people worth 10s of thousands or 100s of thousands or even a few million need to give away massive amounts of money. Because to be really set for life, you do need a few million. But after that, it's all cream, private jets, and ego. Do you realize that Osteen's has a published net worth of $40 mn! And he's supposed to be a man of God. Don't be such a chump.

If I was a servant of people (the rare genuine politician) or a servant of God (pastor, preacher, minister), walked my talk, and I had $40 mn in net assets, I would donate most of that to my ministry. I could keep a nice $5 mn for myself and family and the rest would go to what I preach. Otherwise, I'm just a poser who's corrupted by money, power, and ego!

So Winston, why don't you walk your own talk. Drop 5 K on one of Mark Davis's Dream Tours, go back to Bunny Ranch to blow another 1.5 K, then donate the rest of your savings to Mr. Osteen himself lololol?


Oh ok. I thought you were saying that Osteen ought to give away all his money and become average. You can't realistically expect any man to do that, including yourself. How do you know he doesn't donate to charity? He probably does to some degree. It could be that Osteen is also saving up for his children's future too. I'm sure if you had millions, you'd find some use for that kind of money as well.

It's easy to say what you would do if you were a preacher with millions, but if you actually were that, then it would be a different matter. Anyone can preach what ought to be done, but that doesn't mean it's what you would ACTUALLY do in reality if you were in that situation. People are hypocrites by nature.

I don't understand your last sentence. What do you mean "walk my own talk"? I never advocated that rich people ought to donate most of their money. YOU DID. So I was asking you to "walk your talk", not me. You must have gotten confused.

If you care about the poor, why don't you give money to Filipino beggars or give them food or spend your time educating them? LOL

Remember, I'm not the one advocating giving to the poor, YOU are.

You have more money than me and more extra money too, so if you aren't charitable to the poor, why do you expect anyone else to? LOL
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Re: Joel Osteen - Most powerful/successful preacher in Ameri

Postby Winston » Sat Oct 01, 2016 2:26 pm

Rock,
Do you understand my point? My point is that you shouldn't be saying that Osteen ought to give away most of his money to the poor and needy, when YOU yourself do not give any free money to the poor and needy. You don't even give five pesos to Filipino beggars. You see what I mean?

We both know that giving money to the poor is like throwing it down a black hole. We both know that money is best spent on something useful or invested in something of value. Besides, when people get money they didn't earn, they don't appreciate or value it, they just blow it on something stupid. We've seen that happen in the Philippines too.

So isn't is hypocritical for you say that Osteen "ought" to give away most of his money to the poor? Do you see what I mean? You yourself do not give away any of your "extra money" to the poor either.

Besides, no Christian is a saint. They all lead double lives. That's because the puritannical moral standards of Christianity are artificial and unnatural. No one can live up to them. Well maybe one in thousands could. But most cannot. So don't expect anyone to be a pure saint without sin. Most Christians probably lead double lives. We all know how it is.

We are all hypocrites in that we love to judge others and tell others what to do, but none of us likes to be told what to do or judged by others. In that sense, we are all hypocrites, or at least most of us are. So none of us have the right to take a moral high ground.
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Re: Joel Osteen - Most powerful/successful preacher in Ameri

Postby Voyager1 » Mon Oct 03, 2016 7:10 pm

The one thing I do like about Joel Osteen is that he doesn't take a salary from his church. He earns from book sales and speaking fees. Someone said the gospel is free, you shouldn't charge for it. He is not. You don't HAVE to attend his speaking engagements so you are not forced to pay. Just like I can listen to music on YouTube for free but if I want to go to a concert most times I have to pay.

Also there is no admittance fee to his Sunday services so you can hear him there for free if you want or on tv. So there are a lot of places you can hear him for free if that is what you want. And as far as I understand at his regular services there is no high pressure to give either.
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