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Q&A's about Spiritual Enlightenment

Postby Winston » September 2nd, 2017, 8:33 pm

Interesting questions and answers about Enlightenment and its state of mind. Have any of you ever experienced this before? I did for a few days once. It was very blissful and transcendent.

https://www.quora.com/How-does-a-spiritually-enlightened-person-deal-with-desire

How does a spiritually enlightened person deal with desire?

Yes. Desires are absent in an ‘enlightened’ state.

To be fully realized is to be entirely sated all the time. There is no longing - not even curiosity. So, no desire or suffering caused as a result. There is only benign compassion.

To covet, pursue and compete for things belong to the primate body and reptilian mind. To experience the connection of the ‘enlightened mind’ is to have made quiet those aspects of the brain which lie in the central and rear cortex.

So what does it feel like to be in this state?

Imagine that you are connected to a data cloud of all known information, aware that all about you is an illusion and thus there is nothing to fear; that there is no beginning, no end. Acknowledge that time is not linear, dimensions are many; all is fluid and that you are a manifestation of love

There comes an awareness that the body is a biological mechanism by which you can experience and process things viscerally, and that it is merely the vehicle, not the driver. The driver is the data cloud, of which you are but a minuscule fragment. The cloud has no needs other than to experience - and uses the body to do this. Hence you also have no ego, no vanity.

But you needn’t be enlightened to begin to have this awareness.

Begin by observation of yourself in stillness. It can be done by slowing your breath, or in meditation. Witness your thoughts and desires - as they appear - objectively, without engaging and chewing them over. Then let them drift away without acting on them.

Try the mantra I have put in the image - repeat it to yourself. Use it as a way of setting an intention for yourself and over time see if you can detach yourself from desire and tune in to your inner landscape where you will discover consciousness.

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An enlightened person is always in the present moment. Generally then mind keeps wandering in past and future. The mind goes into past and goes nostalgia mode and goes in future and generates desires. When you are completely in present, there are no desires. For example, when you are in your favorite lecture, your mind is completely in present, without any desires of future. So when your are completely enlightened, i.e. in present moment all the time, you don't get any desires.

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(I experienced the below before for a few days when i was 14)

I can only base this on my own experiences.

I do not claim to be a fully enlightened person - however I had a profound spiritual\kundalini awakening experience where I experienced a dramatic increase in spiritual energy. During this time my consciousness was severely altered to temporarily take on the enlightened state. Bliss, oneness all that jazz. It lasted for a few months and I then returned to something closer to my typical consciousness. So I will comment from what I experienced during that time.

What I found during this period was that thoughts - no longer had the same effect on me. Normally I lived my experience almost directly though my thoughts - a thought would arise - I then attached myself to it and then lived the experience through that thought. Emotions would automatically spring from the thoughts without really being filtered.

This might be something like noticing a pretty girl and the thoughts that followed - it might be noticing someone trying to beat me to the front of a line or cutting me off in traffic and the thoughts that arose from that. These would lead me immediately to certain feelings - desiring the girl, desiring to beat the person to the front of the line, getting angry that someone cut me off etc etc

During my spiritual awakening there was a great separation between my consciousness - and my inner voice \ thinking mind. It felt like previously there was no barrier - but now the thoughts and my consciousness were miles apart. The inner thoughts almost felt as though they did not belong to me. Like they were suggestions from other people I could simply ignore. They were quickly swallowed up in the blissful serene feeling I was experiencing. The thought might arise and I would actually find them kind of comical - like why would I care if that person beats me to the front of the line ? Or wow that guy must be in a hurry - I hope he makes it on time.

Normal selfish desires and emotions- lust, greed, the want to be first, the need to be right, the need to win ….. just no longer seemed to arise at all or feel like they were important in any way.

When you are experiencing heaven, joy and bliss in the present moment - thoughts and desires really don’t seem important :)

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There would probably not be any desire left.
A fully enlightened person will be past the state of desire.
To desire is about the future.

Bhagwan Shree Rajneesh once said something along the lines: "The mind can remember the past, desire the future but not cannot see the present. The now is so subtle, so atomic, that by the time mind grasps it, it has already become the past."

So for someone who has transcended the state of mind, there is no desire left.
An enlightened person isn't identified with the body nor the physical world.
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Re: Q&A's about Enlightenment

Postby Winston » September 2nd, 2017, 8:49 pm

https://www.quora.com/How-do-Buddhist-monks-quench-their-physical-desires

How do Buddhist monks quench their physical desires?

What you call "physical desires" is the word kāma, that can be translated as "sensuality" or "sensual desires".

They are called sensual because they relate to the senses, for example, one may desire to have a house with a beautiful and exclusive view, or to eat expensive dishes with a refined taste, to get an exciting job, or to have sex with an attractive partner and so on.

What you call "quenching" is the word nekkhamma, that can be translated as "renunciation".

A Buddhist monk takes vows to help him train for renunciation, but it doesn't mean that every monk is released from sensual desires. In reality, most monks probably do have such desires, as sensuality is very attractive, very comforting, so it's difficult to be completely free from it.

The Buddha himself offered some explanation on his personal path towards renunciation:

"I myself, before my Awakening, when I was still an unawakened bodhisatta, saw as it actually was with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, but as long as I had not attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, I did not claim that I could not be tempted by sensuality. But when I saw as it actually was with right discernment that sensuality is of much stress, much despair, & greater drawbacks, and I had attained a rapture & pleasure apart from sensuality, apart from unskillful mental qualities, or something more peaceful than that, that was when I claimed that I could not be tempted by sensuality.
The Lesser Mass of Stress


As you can see there, complete renunciation is achieved via two steps:

1. realizing that sensuality is limited, stressful, ultimately unsatisfactory, an unquenchable thirst
2. achieving a rapture and pleasure more exquisite than the pleasures of sensuality

On a separate occasion he described this process in more detail:

"Just as in the last month of the Rains, in the autumn season when the crops are ripening, a cowherd would look after his cows: He would tap & poke & check & curb them with a stick on this side & that. Why is that? Because he foresees flogging or imprisonment or a fine or public censure arising from that [if he let his cows wander into the crops]. In the same way I foresaw in unskillful qualities drawbacks, degradation, & defilement, and I foresaw in skillful qualities rewards related to renunciation & promoting cleansing.

"And as I remained thus heedful, ardent, & resolute, thinking imbued with renunciation arose in me. I discerned that 'Thinking imbued with renunciation has arisen in me; and that leads neither to my own affliction, nor to the affliction of others, nor to the affliction of both. It fosters discernment, promotes lack of vexation, & leads to Unbinding. If I were to think & ponder in line with that even for a night... even for a day... even for a day & night, I do not envision any danger that would come from it, except that thinking & pondering a long time would tire the body. When the body is tired, the mind is disturbed; and a disturbed mind is far from concentration.' So I steadied my mind right within, settled, unified, & concentrated it. Why is that? So that my mind would not be disturbed.
Two Sorts of Thinking"


This non-disturbance of the mind was achieved through a meditation practice which provides pleasure born of seclusion, born of concentration, or, as quoted above, more peaceful than the pleasure of sensuality.

If one simply restrains and guards one's senses against the sensual pleasures, but has no pleasure to replace it, that produces a dry, hard, excessively restrained life. The idea is not to eliminate desire, but to have control over them instead of being controlled by them. Buddhist monks, the ones that actually manage to renounce sensuality, and not merely abstain from it, actively replace sensual pleasures with skillful mental qualities and, usually, pleasure born of meditation.
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Re: Q&A's about Spiritual Enlightenment

Postby Winston » September 2nd, 2017, 9:07 pm

https://www.quora.com/Does-a-spiritually-enlightened-person-live-permanently-in-bliss

Does a spiritually enlightened person live permanently in bliss

No, it’s actually far less interesting than that.

The tricky thing about the enlightened state is that it can’t actually be talked about in positive terms, because it is inherently transcendent of any concept or idea the mind can conjure up. It is prior to any thought or emotional state. What do you think it would be like to experience this world as an inseparable unity? We might have ideas like a state of interrupted peace or eqanimity with all of life, but these descriptions still miss the point because they still presume the presence of someone ‘having’ an experience, and thus a sense of separation. In the truly non-dual state, the sense of being a separate entity who ‘has’ experiences collapses completely into what can only be described as a seamless flow of experiencing. In this state, there nobody there to describe or take a position on what is happening because there is no difference between experiencer and experienced. Our natural state is a kind of causeless joy, but this isn’t something achieved by someone, but rather what is left in the absence of all sense of separation and personal selfhood.

All ‘enlightened people’ (the great oxymoron) know that the underlying state of reality is one of unbelievable bliss; this is the nature of the universe in its unmanifest state. This is a recognition that is as intuitive as the recognition of one’s own face in the mirror, but, alas, can’t be explained in language because language is dualistic. All embodied beings, however, do not experience a state of uninterrupted bliss, because the game that the Self is playing is the game of ‘How far away can I get away from my unmanifest bliss state?’ or ‘How lost can I get?’

For one of the best descriptions I’ve heard on the process of awakening, listen to the following talk by the great Shunyamurti (not for the faint-hearted):

You do not exist.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YodqLhJN1qY
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