The Authentic Pagans of Russia

[MrPeabody]

This is an interesting video of a community of Pagans in Russia that have an unbroken lineage that survived Christianity and its little brother Communism. These aren't reconstructionists. They are from a people who never gave up their pagan beliefs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hJ_2kpTJvj0

[gsjackson]

If by Christianity's "little brother" you mean that communism pays lip service to an ethos of communal sharing, then yes. But everyone knows now that this is only lip service, and that communism was/is all about funneling as many of a society's resources as possible into a centralized collection point to be confiscated by anyone having control of government, and therefore it is more apt to speak of communism as Judaism's little brother. Which seems all the more apt given that communism was a Jewish invention and midwifed into existence almost entirely by Jews.

[MrPeabody]

"Equality" is a central thesis of both Christianity and communism. As well as "universalism". The belief that one god fits all. The pagans have their own local gods. Thus if you are Greek you worship Zeus. If you are Norwegian, you worship Odin. In that respect, Judaism is more like the pagans - they have their own tribal god Yahweh.

[Winston]

Are these pagans also called Wiccans? Wiccans claim to be descended from paganism that predates Christianity. However, that is debatable because officially it was started in the 1940's by a British man named Gerald Gardner. So there is debate about the roots of Wiccan.

I saw a documentary about this recently. Apparently in the Middle Ages, many villages and towns in Europe were still pagan, not yet Christian. Only the big cities were Christian. So the church had to gradually phase out paganism. This British Wiccan guy explains the history of Paganism is detail. It's pretty interesting.

[MrPeabody]

Wicca is a modern 20th century pagan movement that comes out of England. They are trying to reconstruct what their ancestors did. The Russian group actually comes from an unbroken lineage of ancestors that never converted to Christianity. However all Pagans have some things in common, like the worship of nature.

[Winston]

Here is that documentary I mentioned where a British Pagan man explains the history of Paganism in Europe and what the word "Pagan" really means. It means "one who doesn't live in the city" because during the Middle Ages, people who lived in rural areas and villages still practiced Paganism and were considered less sophisticated because they didn't embrace the religion of the city folks.

[MrPeabody]

ThunderWizard was a fundamentalist Christian who became an Odinist after having a personal encounter with Odin. He has a lot of interesting videos on his Youtube channel.

[Winston]

I think paganism makes more sense. Because if there are gods, then there are likely multiple gods, not just one. Just like there is more than one of all known creatures and beings on earth.

Plus all ancient cultures were polytheistic, including the ancient hebrews and jews. Monotheism came much later and was adopted by a rebel Egyptian pharaoh named Akhenaten, who was banished from egypt for his corruption and defilement of their traditional religions and pagan practices. So I think if something is older and goes farther back then its closer to the original truth.

Also there is no reason why a creator must be only one. It takes multiple builders to build a house, building or ship for example. And it takes a team of game designers to create a video game. So why does there have to be only one creator of this world or universe? The logic doesn't follow.

I wrote a long post before on why polytheism makes more sense than monotheism here.

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[MrPeabody]

Even in the Koran and Bible, God talks in the form "we", thus acknowledging multiple gods.

[Adama]

Wicca is actually sorcery and witchcraft. They are witches and wizards.

[MrPeabody]

There is a story in the New Testament (Mark 7:24-25), where a gentile woman comes to Jesus to cast out a demon from her child.

Jesus responds to her request: Give your bread to your children before you give your bread to the dogs under the table. The woman responds: Even the dogs under the table get scraps. What Jesus means is he has come to give his message to the Jews and not the gentiles. He is telling her she is a gentile and to get lost. The "dogs" he referred to are non Jews. The woman then basically submits to his interpretation and says, yes I'm a dog, but even dogs get some scraps. Jesus is impressed by her response, and according to the story, tells her to go home and she will find her child healed.

Jesus clearly states that his message was only for the Jews. He says this whenever asked and instructs his disciples to avoid gentiles and Samarians.

But why are there so many fools who worship a "savior" who doesn't want them and considers them to be dogs?

Europeans are much better off following Odin. Odin will welcome you warmly as an equal. Odin will give you wisdom and guidance. Your salvation is your own responsibility. You have to follow the gods of your ancestors or you will always be a lost soul.

[MrPeabody]

When Christianity was growing in ancient Rome, the ancient pagan philosophers started taking it more seriously and starting coming up with criticism and responses.

The neoplatonic scholar Porphyry wrote fifteen books showing why Christianity was an "unreasonable faith". It was a complete and detailed response. The problem is we don't have these books because Emperor Constantine ordered them burned.

The pagan philosophers were very wise and came up with some astute observations. For example, they called Christianity "superstito" which meant "doing or believing more than was necessary".

Cicero defined "superstito" as "empty fear of the gods" in contrast to a proper honoring of the gods. Cicero said that "superstito" wrongs the gods.

It's too bad that most of the wisdom of the Roman and Greek pagans was destroyed. But even the little that remains is profound.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glossary_ ... uperstitio

[Adama]

For example, they called Christianity "superstito" which meant "doing or believing more than was necessary".

Cicero defined "superstito" as "empty fear of the gods" in contrast to a proper honoring of the gods. Cicero said that "superstito" wrongs the gods.

There is no such thing as "believing more than necessary." That's nonsense from someone who was probably unable to believe in Christ.

And the whole point is that the penalty for sin is death. Therefore to escape hell, all we must do is believe in Jesus and He will exalt us to heaven. He came to keep all the commandments of God, to keep the whole law, and then to die for all our sins. He has done all the work to rescue us from hell. Therefore all we must do is believe in Him.

God as Christ has done all the work necessary in Christianity for a person to get to heaven. All they have to do is believe ON THE NAME OF the Son of God, the Christ, whose name is Jesus Christ. Then God gives them the free gift of salvation.

Those poor Romans and Greeks were probably unable to believe in Christ. Those who are rejected by God will never understand, because God doesn't want them (they refused to believe because they loved the pleasure of unrighteousness more than the love of the truth). So therefore they hate Christianity because they are rejected by God (and Christianity straight out tells them they're going to hell) and can't understand the first thing about the free gift of salvation: that Our God has already done ALL THE WORK to rescue us. Because He doesn't want anyone to go to hell. But there will be righteous recompense for sin for those who refused to believe in Him. They must pay for their own sins for eternity. The same as anyone who thinks they can justify themselves by the goodness they do, rather than trusting on the goodness of God.

Most of those philosophers which you have mentioned, most likely do not have peace at the moment. They will not be with God, in perfect joy, peace and rest, in a life so beautiful that God hasn't told the half of it to us. No, anyone who has refused to believe in Christ will receive condemnation, because they die in their own sins, without being covered by the blood of Christ. And all they had to do be covered by that blood is to believe.

They think believing turns them into some robot. Well if being a robot helps a person escape from eternal torments then you better be that robot. But of course by believing you're not a robot. Believing just means you believe. Then God gives you the gift of eternal life. Not hard at all, and nothing robotic about it, despite what deniers say. And then your eyes will be enlightened.

[Adama]

ThunderWizard was a fundamentalist Christian who became an Odinist after having a personal encounter with Odin. He has a lot of interesting videos on his Youtube channel.

He has another video which he made: "Becoming God on earth... what does it really mean?" Sounds like he thinks he is a god himself.

[MrPeabody]

Flavius Claudius Julianus, was a Hellenistic philosopher who became Roman Emperor. He is also known as Julian the Apostate because it tried to convert Rome back to Paganism after it had become Christian. He is considered one of the best example of Pagan piety.

"So long as you are a slave to the opinions of the many you have not yet approached freedom or tasted its nectar."

-- Julian the Apostate

"The end and aim of the Cynic philosophy, as indeed of every philosophy, is happiness, but happiness that consists in living according to nature, and not according to the opinions of the multitude."

-- Julian the Apostate

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Julian_(emperor)

Julian's essay "Against the Galilaeans":

It is, I think, expedient to set forth to all mankind
the reasons by which I was convinced that
the fabrication of the Galilaeans
is a fiction of men composed by wickedness.
Though it has in it nothing divine,
by making full use of that part of the soul
which loves fable and is childish and foolish,
it has induced men to believe
that the monstrous tale is truth.

http://www.mountainman.com.au/essenes/J ... laeans.htm