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Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

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Re: Why Biblical Salvation is by WORKS and Grace, NOT Grace Alone!

Post by Adama » June 8th, 2018, 7:49 pm

Winston wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 5:30 pm
Adama wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 5:03 pm
Winston wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 11:54 am
Funny quotes by Mark Twain about heaven.

http://www.twainquotes.com/Heaven.html

"Heaven goes by favor. If it went by merit, you would stay out and your dog would go in."
- Mark Twain, a Biography
Twain just said salvation is free. Grace means unmerited favor, meaning it is unearned. Merit means it is earned. Favor = grace = free = gift. Merit = earnings = work.
No Twain was saying that Salvation is by FAVOR, which means God has to like you, just like a woman or friend has to like you. It's subjective and based on his or her opinion. That makes sense. Why would God be a machine that treats everyone equally? Equality doesn't exist anywhere in science, nature or reality. It's a concept that low class people want to believe in to elevate themselves. And a weapon that dangerous communists and socialists use to push their agenda for a NWO.

Mark Twain was not a Christian or believer. If you read his works, you'd know that. He was a deist, just like the founding fathers were. His treatise "Letters from the Earth" indicate that he was very highly critical of Christianity.
Grace is unmerited favor; unearned favor, also known as a gift, and it is free, as in unmerited. Works are earnings. If a person is going to pay for their salvation by doing good work, then salvation is no longer free, but earned. Now if grace means free gift, they've just lost out, because they're trying to earn their way to heaven. They might as well start building a staircase to heaven, because there is no hope in salvation by works.

Not only must the works be perfect from time going forward, but also retroactively from the day of birth. Also, the commandments are deep and numerous. Even if the person thought he knew all of them, because of the inherent fallibility of man, it doesn't mean he can keep all of them his whole life.

Work salvation is a major deception, and a snare. Salvation by faith and works is also impossible. It's one or it's the other. If a person trusts in works, they are trying to earn salvation, when salvation is by grace, meaning it is by the free gift of God through faith in Christ.
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Re: Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

Post by Winston » November 24th, 2018, 7:13 pm

Why the sinner's prayer and Biblical inerrancy doctrines are American inventions, NOT part of traditional Christianity.

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Re: Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

Post by Neo » November 26th, 2018, 8:26 am

Some more verses that show that salvation is without works (outside the commandments):

Ephesians 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

Ephesians 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9 Not of works, lest any man should boast.

Acts 13:39 And by him all that believe are justified from all things, from which ye could not be justified by the law of Moses.

Galatians 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

Only Christ can be justified by the law, or specifically by keeping the law, which is part of the reason He came into the world. He's the only one who can keep all the commandments. God requires perfect obedience for salvation by the law (also known as "works"). That's why everyone else comes short of salvation by the law. It is impossible for everyone except Christ. And yes it is 100% perfection, which is why no man can be justified by keeping the law. It is too high for humans to attain without Christ.

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Re: Why the Bible teaches a Salvation by WORKS, NOT by Faith Alone!

Post by Neo » November 26th, 2018, 8:45 am

As for salvation by works and by faith (grace), works means keeping the commandments. If the person is trusting in Christ + keeping the commandments for their salvation, their (supposed) faith in Christ is not counted by God, because they have not put their full trust in Jesus as the Messiah to save them. He was manifested to save the world. They are trusting in their own works (keeping the commandments).

If a person could simply keep the commandments to get to heaven, there'd have been no need for a Messiah. These people are trusting in their own abilities by keeping the commandments. Because of this, they have (unknowingly) chosen to be judged by their works, which means they will be condemned. Anyone who is judged by their works will be condemned, because only Christ can be justified by works because only He is able to complete and fulfill all the commandments.

Salvation is by faith in Christ alone. Anyone adding works to their faith might as well just omit their faith. Essentially anyone who is saved by any combination of works has made himself or herself their own messiah (because it is the messiah's job to save), because they are saying their works save them; or they have made themselves co-equals with Christ, which is not going to work out for them at judgment.

The commandments must be kept, and good works must be done. The difference is, to be saved, the person must not trust in their works for salvation. Salvation is by faith alone. Keeping the commandments is not about getting saved. It is about pleasing God.

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Re: Why Biblical Salvation is by WORKS and Faith via Grace, NOT Faith Alone!

Post by Neo » November 26th, 2018, 6:45 pm

TruthSeeker wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 5:07 pm
You guys are going around in circles.

If someone believes in Jesus Christ they are saved.

If someone believes in Jesus Christ + works they are still saved because they believe on Jesus Christ.

Case closed.
Ironically, although for some reason you don't know it, you've stated that all a person must do to be saved is to believe in Jesus Christ. For some reason you think works are in the equation, when you yourself manage to state that salvation is by believing in Christ at the end of the equation.

"because they believe on Jesus Christ".

All a person has to do is believe in Christ. A person who believes in works + Christ has not put their complete trust in Christ. This person has turned himself into a co-equal saviour/messiah/Christ of himself, by trusting in his own works and his own righteousness, rather than simply putting their trust on Christ and His complete works.

Works are not for salvation. Keeping the commandments is to please God. Believing in Christ brings salvation.

Anyone who trusts in their own works, will be judged by their works. Anyone judged by their works will be condemned.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

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