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Does the Bible prove End of the World in 2028?

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Re: Does the Bible prove End of the World in 2028?

Post by Winston » June 8th, 2018, 2:21 pm

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June 8th, 2018, 2:12 pm
Yeah I saw it.

Christ's return is not going to be metaphorical or allegorical. It's going to be a literal return.

Matthew 24
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Acts 1:11
Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

So it's going to be a literal return. Not some mystical one.
But some of those prophecies are about the destruction of the Jewish temple in Jerusalem in 70 AD right? That's what "Son of Man" means. Also, some say that the Son of Man is referring to Titus Flavius when he was the general, because the parallels are too numerous to be coincidental. See "Caesar's Messiah" by Joseph Atwill. There's a book and documentary about it.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... rs+messiah

Also, some of those verses seem to indicate that Jesus was telling his disciples that his second coming would happen during their lifetime. Obviously it didn't, unless you refer to the destruction of the temple in 70 AD right? That's why this is confusing.

Are you familiar with astrotheology? If Christianity is astrotheology, then it's all metaphorical, not literal. In fact, not one event in the Bible has ever been proven to be historically true right? Even Moses is now considered to have never existed historically. If that's so then it makes more sense to take the Bible as allegory right?

I've been reading Tom Harpur's "The Pagan Christ" book and it makes a lot of sense. Here is a CBC documentary about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FYsYD52OAok

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_ ... tom+harpur
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Re: Does the Bible prove End of the World in 2028?

Post by TruthSeeker » June 8th, 2018, 2:26 pm

Jesus referred to Himself as the Son of Man. The O.T. prophets did that too.

Don't try to overanalyse it. Just accept it. He will return just like He said.

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Re: Does the Bible prove End of the World in 2028?

Post by Winston » June 8th, 2018, 3:20 pm

Joseph Atwill explains why the Son of Man in the New Testament was Titus Flavius. It seems that there are too many parallels for this to be coincidence.



http://www.caesarsmessiah.com/blog/new- ... re-edition

This means the Gospels were written after 70 AD when the Jewish Temple was destroyed by the Romans. Is there any evidence that the Gospels existed before 70 AD? If not, and if the Romans wrote them, that means the prophecies of the destruction of the Temple were made AFTER it happened.
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Re: Does Bible prove End of the World in 2028?

Post by Adama » June 8th, 2018, 3:45 pm

TruthSeeker wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 10:49 am
The world is not going to end even if Jesus does come back.

Ephesians 3:21 Unto him be glory in the church by Christ Jesus throughout all ages, world without end. Amen.

There is going to be a new heaven and a new earth.

2 Peter 3:13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Those verses are about the New Earth, which will be after this earth is burned up with fire. The New Earth will never end. This world has an ending, but we just don't know when.
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Re: Does Bible prove End of the World in 2028?

Post by Adama » June 8th, 2018, 3:50 pm

Winston wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 11:04 am
Adama wrote:
June 5th, 2018, 2:24 am
Very good seminar. I actually just bought the book and plan on reading it.

However, he is confused about salvation. Salvation is not by the Ten Commandments.

As far as the commandments are concerned, this is how they work:

If someone is doing good works, or at least if they haven't given themselves over to evil (if they haven't become a reprobate/irredeemable/rejected), then God will send someone to win their soul to Christ. Then they must believe in Christ by faith alone. In other words, keeping the commandments before a person believes in Christ (gets saved) keeps that person from becoming irredeemable.

If someone gives himself over to sin, in other words if that person becomes a rebel, then he has made himself irredeemable, and God will not reveal or show to that man His salvation.

In other words, keeping the commandments doesn't get a person saved; it gets God's attention for them to get saved. God will send that person the gospel. However, breaking the commandments to the point where the person becomes a rebel means that they will never get saved.

Man cannot exalt himself to eternal life by doing good. God does demand that we do good, but that is not sufficient to enter into heaven. Only Christ is good enough to enter into heaven by keeping the commandments. Mortal man cannot keep all the commandments, because man is a fallen creature. If salvation were by works, then every person ever born would be in hell and would never get to heaven, because nobody can keep all the commandments [It is an absolute perfect standard and all have come short of it]. That's why we trust in Christ to get us there. Doing good; keeping ourselves from sin; keeping the commandments, gets God's attention, and He will send that person the gospel. Breaking the commandments brings His wrath, and if the person has gone too far, then God will not reveal the gospel to him.

Although a person can condemn himself by doing evil, a person cannot exalt himself to eternal life by doing good. Christ is needed. Man's works are not sufficient. Only by Christ are we saved, by believing in Him and His works, not on our own works. Salvation is not by works, but condemnation is by works. Salvation is not by works because it is impossible to keep all the commandments. That's why Christ came to save the world: to grant eternal life freely to all who believe in Him.
So you went through the whole 8 part 2028 End seminar? Cool. Congrats for having the patience to do so. He makes some compelling points. But I'm not as impressed with the day 4 and 5 prophecies. I got his book too, but on Kindle.

About the Biblical salvation thing, as mentioned in another thread, he has many Bible verses to support his Salvation Equation. Did you see his seminar about that? If not, you should first.

How can you ignored 30-40 Bible verses about doing good works and obeying the commandments to get to heaven, while only embracing ONE verse about "grace through faith"? You can't ignore 30-40 verses in favor of one. Come on. That's illogical. You cannot base a whole doctrine on one verse either. You gotta harmonize all verses. That's what Christian apologists say. So Gabriel's conclusion is logical, which is that salvation requires both grace and works. Not one or the other. Again, you can't base everything on one verse only. Not if you're a serious Christian.

Also, again if you're a truth seeker, you gotta follow the evidence where it goes, not just preserve your own fixed beliefs and opinions. You gotta adapt and update your beliefs in accord with the evidence. Otherwise you're not a true truth seeker.
Because he is confused, and it is quite obvious.

Keeping the commandments keeps us clean enough that we can get saved (so God doesn't take away our ability to believe). It doesn't do the work for us to get there. It just keeps us from becoming so filthy that God would no longer want us. In other words, keeping the commandments keeps a person from becoming completely worthless and irredeemable. However, keeping the commandments does not save the person. Because humanity is fallen and cannot keep them all: Because the standard of holiness is complete and absolute perfect sinlessness from DAY ONE UNTIL DEATH. Only Christ can keep the commandments, which is why to be saved we only must believe in Him, as He kept the commandments for us. This is simple. Just believe in Christ.

If a person doesn't refuse to believe in Christ and if they haven't rendered themselves worthless and irredeemable by breaking the commandments, then God will send them the gospel to get them saved.

Salvation is not by the commandments. Keeping the commandments keeps the person from becoming a complete castaway, until God sends that person the gospel. However, breaking the commandments can make a person completely irredeemable and unwanted by God.
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Re: Does the Bible prove End of the World in 2028?

Post by TruthSeeker » June 8th, 2018, 3:56 pm

That is talking about after the 1000 Millennial reign of Christ. So the world is not going to "end" in 2028 if Christ comes back then.

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Re: Does the Bible prove End of the World in 2028?

Post by Winston » June 8th, 2018, 4:20 pm

TruthSeeker wrote:
June 8th, 2018, 3:56 pm
That is talking about after the 1000 Millennial reign of Christ. So the world is not going to "end" in 2028 if Christ comes back then.
In a sense it will, because the thousand year millenial reign of Christ will be for believers only. The old world will be gone, even if the earth is new. Non-Christians won't be around anymore and secular governments will be gone. So in a sense, it would be the end of this world. Then after the thousand years, the devil and the fallen angels will be released and then sent to hell, along with all the unsaved. Then there will be heaven after that. That's the narrative.
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