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Postby Winston » Mon Nov 22, 2010 7:19 pm

"SCIENCE and the AFTERLIFE"- Tim Coleman's DVD

During the five years of the Scole experiments the top afterlife scientists in the UK, Europe and America witnessed amazing physical mediumship. In this trailer for the wonderful documentary Afterlife Science by Tim Coleman you can see briefly the scene where Professor Arthur Ellison (pictured) was invited to touch a quartz crystal which was lit up from the inside. As he watched, the crystal dematerialized and when he went to touch it again the outline was there but his hand went straight through it. All of the scientists who took part in the investigation were convinced by the evidence. The DVD is being released in Mid December 2010 but you can email Tim now for an advance purchase Tcole7777@aol.com

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Postby Winston » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:36 am

Check out this interview with Dr. Jeffrey Long of NDERF.org and author of "Evidence of the Afterlife". In it he presents 9 lines of evidence that NDE's prove an afterlife which make a very compelling case. In the third clip, he explains why oxygen deprivation to the brain cannot account for these experiences.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=um9GjWkM5kw[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fxbkkj_JYlU[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_3p3YN3WOEo[/youtube]

His interview on Skeptiko here:

http://www.skeptiko.com/jeffrey_long_ta ... afterlife/

You can get his book "Evidence of the Afterlife" here:

http://astore.amazon.com/religion-spiri ... 0061452556

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Evidence of the Afterlife shares the firsthand accounts of people who have died and lived to tell about it. Through their work at the Near Death Experience Research Foundation, radiation oncologist Jeffrey Long and his wife, Jody, have gathered thousands of accounts of near-death experiences (NDEs) from all over the world. In addition to sharing the personal narrative of their experiences, visitors to the website are asked to fill out a one hundred–item questionnaire designed to isolate specific elements of the experience and to flag counterfeit accounts.

The website has become the largest NDE research database in the world, containing over 1,600 NDE accounts. The people whose stories are captured in the database span all age groups, races, and religious affiliations and come from all over the world, yet the similarities in their stories are as awe-inspiring as they are revealing. Using this treasure trove of data, Dr. Long explains how medical evidence fails to explain these reports and why there is only one plausible explanation—that people have survived death and traveled to another dimension.
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Postby Winston » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:55 am

MrPeabody wrote:I didn’t see anything rational here. He just kept on repeating the word “mathematicsâ€￾ without going into what specifically he was talking about. It seemed like another appeal to authority, to say, you should take me seriously because I used the word “mathematicsâ€￾. I saw my father die, and there was nothing mysterious about it. The body just shuts down in predictable stages almost like a computer and then it ends. And he strongly believed in life after death.


Watch the interviews above with Dr. Jeffrey Long I just posted. He makes a very compelling case with 9 lines of evidence, which the oxygen deprivation explanation cannot possibly account for. He explains why they are "medically inexplicable".
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Postby Winston » Sat Dec 04, 2010 3:58 am

To believers of the soul and afterlife:

I have a question for you about consciousness and the brain that I'm wrestling with. Maybe you can shed some light on it.

During anesthesia, most people black out. They don't even dream. They lose all awareness until they wake up later. That happened to me once too. I didn't even dream like in normal sleep.

So my question is, if I lose all awareness of time and thought during anesthesia, is that evidence that consciousness depends on brain? How can that be? I'm sure the skeptics will use that to argue that consciousness does not survive death, right?

How would you explain this?

Also, why does my awareness disappear during normal sleep? How can my soul or consciousness be switched off like a light switch? Can you explain this?

It does seem that when you dream, time doesn't pass in a normal sequence like it does in waking consciousness. I wonder why that is. Do dreams take place in a realm where time doesn't operate as we know it?
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Postby Winston » Wed May 18, 2011 8:11 pm

Hi all,
I just uploaded a Skeptiko interview with Dr. Jeffrey Long, author of "Evidence of the Afterlife" to my YouTube channel. Here is the link.

Part 1 of 3

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZyx0BAU5uo[/youtube]

To listen to more Skeptiko podcasts on paranormal science vs. skepticism:

http://www.skeptiko.com

To order Dr. Long's book "Evidence of the Afterlife":

http://astore.amazon.com/religion-spiri ... 0061452556
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Postby Winston » Fri May 20, 2011 5:22 pm

I just uploaded this to YouTube:

In this episode of Skeptiko, Alex Tsakiris interviews and debates Dr. Steven Novella, Yale neurologist and host of "The Skeptic's Guide to the Universe", on the interpretations of Near Death Experiences and their implications for survival consciousness.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o7UAwi8med4[/youtube]
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Postby Winston » Wed Jun 01, 2011 10:13 pm

To be fair, here is an article from the other side, from an atheist who does not believe that NDE's are evidence of an afterlife.

http://gretachristina.typepad.com/greta ... ences.html
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Postby Winston » Sun Oct 23, 2011 9:42 am

Here are more Skeptiko podcasts I uploaded to YouTube.

Interview with Chris Carter, author of "Science and the Near Death Experience".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX5PUV3w-no[/youtube]

Alex debates atheist blogger Greta Christina.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GcvAcHqVjgw[/youtube]

Alex debates Susan Blackmore, author of "Dying to Live".

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZ1nOiwHlLI[/youtube]
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Postby jamesbond » Sun Oct 23, 2011 2:59 pm

Chris Carter and Dr. Long have some good evidence regarding the afterlife in their books. I saw Dr. Long being interviewed on a cable news show last year and I heard Chris Carter being interviewed on Coast to Coast radio program last year as well.

I have read dozens of books on the afterlife and did a research paper in college on it as well. There is over whelming evidence that the soul survives death.
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Postby Winston » Fri Apr 27, 2012 7:18 pm

Check out this 1978 documentary about Near Death Experiences and evidence of the Afterlife. It's very interesting.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2QqjJuMKmk[/youtube]
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Postby Winston » Wed May 23, 2012 6:25 am

I have a question that hasn't been addressed by NDE researchers.

During sleep and anesthesia, a person has no consciousness of the passage of time. So if consciousness is eternal, how can it be shut down like that? If consciousness can be shut down, then doesn't it follow that it can be destroyed too?

Also, if only some have NDE's and not others, could it mean that only some will have an afterlife but others won't?

These questions are never asked in interviews.

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Postby Ian Shaw » Wed May 23, 2012 9:54 am

Rock wrote:What about life before birth?

If we really survive death somehow, I wonder whether or not our memory of our current life will be erased. I mean, if we survive death, it seems natural that we also existed before birth. But that memory is gone, at least for the period we are on earth.


Damn right Rock, I've been on about that very angle for a long, long time.
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Postby lavezzi » Wed May 23, 2012 10:59 am

Speculating about the nature/existence of the divine/afterlife is attempting to adopt a belief. Beliefs are rooted in desire (desiring a certain outcome of that which we cannot be sure of), and desire is what keeps us trapped in ego (hence suffering).

The mechanism which all living beings share is to seek survival and avoid death. Humans have advanced brains which have throughout our evolution led to us devising technology that has made survival a non issue in most of our daily lives. Despite this, our mechanisms for survival seem to have remained intact, but we have substituted our natural mechanism of seeking survival for an unnatural mechanism of seeking fulfillment. Because we have believed the idea we are unfulfilled as we are into existence, we have believed suffering into existence also, which is the only reason we are experiencing it. This very much appears to be the nature of the current human condition, regardless of whether or not there is a divine purpose to it. If there is a divine purpose to our existence, it would seem that our lives are a kind of a test for us to overcome this trap of needlessly seeking fulfillment which so many humans fall into, by realizing we are already whole. This is done by connecting our identities with our awareness, rather than with our physical bodies (which creates a false self).
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Postby Winston » Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:55 am

Check out this Atheist Neurosurgeon who discovered proof of the Afterlife during his NDE!

http://www.lifebeyonddeath.net/book

PROOF OF HEAVEN BY EBEN ALEXANDER, MD

PROOF OF HEAVEN WILL BE AVAILABLE ON OCTOBER 23, 2012 IN NORTH AMERICA

BOOK

A SCIENTIST’S CASE FOR THE AFTERLIFE:

Thousands of people have had near-death experiences, but scientists have argued that they are impossible. Dr. Eben Alexander was one of those scientists. A highly trained neurosurgeon, Alexander knew that NDEs feel real, but are simply fantasies produced by brains under extreme stress.

Then, Dr. Alexander’s own brain was attacked by a rare illness. The part of the brain that controls thought and emotion—and in essence makes us human—shut down completely. For seven days he lay in a coma. Then, as his doctors considered stopping treatment, Alexander’s eyes popped open. He had come back.

Alexander’s recovery is a medical miracle. But the real miracle of his story lies elsewhere. While his body lay in coma, Alexander journeyed beyond this world and encountered an angelic being who guided him into the deepest realms of super-physical existence. There he met, and spoke with, the Divine source of the universe itself.

Alexander’s story is not a fantasy. Before he underwent his journey, he could not reconcile his knowledge of neuroscience with any belief in heaven, God, or the soul. Today Alexander is a doctor who believes that true health can be achieved only when we realize that God and the soul are real and that death is not the end of personal existence but only a transition.

This story would be remarkable no matter who it happened to. That it happened to Dr. Alexander makes it revolutionary. No scientist or person of faith will be able to ignore it. Reading it will change your life.

Interview on Skeptiko:

http://www.skeptiko.com/154-neurosurgeo ... xperience/

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xYZoX4N5_YQ[/youtube]
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