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Winston scammed $1500 at Moonlite Bunny Ranch Brothel!

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Postby The » Sat May 31, 2014 4:04 am

Sounds like a troll thread by Winston....I gotta side with pubicduende on this one.... sorry bro...
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Postby droid » Sat May 31, 2014 4:04 am

He won't lose revenue guys, it's one of only a handful of places where 150 Million chumps can legally release. There's no competition. Tomorrow another sucker will come in.

I know you didn't cite Murphy regarding this matter, but I bring it up since you tend to question only the externals too much.

If you dive into a shark's pond and it tears your arm off, you can say the shark was "in the wrong" all you want (and it is), but that won't change the facts. You shouldn't have.
1)Too much of one thing defeats the purpose.
2)Everybody is full of it. What's your hypocrisy?
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Postby Winston » Sat May 31, 2014 4:18 am

droid wrote:He won't lose revenue guys, it's one of only a handful of places where 150 Million chumps can legally release. There's no competition. Tomorrow another sucker will come in.

I know you didn't cite Murphy regarding this matter, but I bring it up since you tend to question only the externals too much.

If you dive into a shark's pond and it tears your arm off, you can say the shark was "in the wrong" all you want (and it is), but that won't change the facts. You shouldn't have.


Yes he will. The only legal brothels in the US are in Nevada and Hof owns most of them. Didn't you know that? You aren't very well acquainted with the facts.

My webpages tend to rise up in rankings, especially after I promote them and drive traffic to them and point links to them. It's guaranteed that eventually some chumps will see my webpages and change their mind about going to the Bunny Ranch, which means the thousand dollars they would have spent there will not be spent. Simple logic.

Hof must care in some way. Otherwise, why would he post a response to my complaint on the BBB website that I posted above?
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Postby droid » Sat May 31, 2014 5:45 am

Winston wrote:Yes he will. The only legal brothels in the US are in Nevada and Hof owns most of them. Didn't you know that? You aren't very well acquainted with the facts.

That only confirms what I was saying.
It doesn't matter who owns them. They're the only few places to service millions of dudes. At a 10,000,000 to 1 ratio.
He might marginally lose revenue but will probably more than make up for it thanks to your publicity.
Heck I wouldn't be surprised if you went again, hoping for a better experience, if you were to remain in the states.


Hof must care in some way. Otherwise, why would he post a response to my complaint on the BBB website that I posted above?

He's just amusing himself by shaming you for doing "illegal activity" and "going to the third world", which are the usual, predictable attacks.
I hope it explodes in his face somehow though.


Where do you get the idea that he's a Jew? He does not have Jewish facial features.

I would hold a 70% chance that he's one of the common American white cripto-jews. These may or may not claim to be atheists etc. it's a mess.
The facial features are there, I don't wan't to get into odious details.

And this also based on seeing the enthroning he gets by the media. Do you think you would get the same publicity if you owned one of these places Winston?
To clarify, I don't mind jewish guys that work honestly for a living. It's the propping up and mutual aggrandizing of certain sectors that I criticize.
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Postby Winston » Sat May 31, 2014 7:15 am

Droid,
I doubt it. Very very few guys would pay a thousand dollars for sex in America. That's not worth it. Sex does not cost that much. Not even in America. All the escort sites advertise $200/hr. Even wealthy guys would not waste a thousand dollars like that. It's not worth it. No guy I know would.

When I was there, the parking lot was empty. I don't know how they stay in business.

Hof is not a Jewish name. It sounds more like German. But Hof could be a pseudonym and not his real name.

Jews are clever, but his words sound stupid and uneducated. He sounds like a dumb redneck.

Why would the media praise him just because he's a Jew? Jews do not always band together or help each other. Jewish people I know tell me that Jews do not help other Jews just because they are the same race. They are all out for themselves. Even the Jews on this forum will tell you that.

Maybe he's a Freemason?

He would not post on the BBB just to amuse himself. That's a dumb theory. Obviously he did it because the BBB asked him to, and he knows that if he does not post a response, the BBB will rate his business negatively on their site. The BBB is considered an authoritative source, and he does not want negative points on it. That's the obvious reason he responded.

I wonder if he will respond on RipoffReport when I post the dispute there too.
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Postby publicduende » Sat May 31, 2014 10:02 am

Cornfed wrote:
droid wrote:LMAO you think that crooked j*w gives a f*ck about your claims?

The Jew will most likely lose revenue as a result of the publicity.


What has his business (or personal) conduct got to do with the fact he is Jewish? You would have the same opinion were he of pure German descents.
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Postby Winston » Sat May 31, 2014 11:40 am

Maybe Dennis Hof is a protected Jew or a Freemason.

Why else would Yelp protect his Bunny Ranch business? Check this out. Every time you post a negative review on Yelp for the Bunny Ranch, no matter how legit, it gets sent to the trash bin right away and does not count. Try it and you will see.

http://www.yelp.com/biz/moonlite-bunnyranch-mound-house

Yelp claims to not be protecting paying businesses. Yet they seem to give the Bunny Ranch special protection from negative reviews. I wonder why.
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Postby droid » Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:42 am

publicduende wrote:
Cornfed wrote:
droid wrote:LMAO you think that crooked j*w gives a f*ck about your claims?

The Jew will most likely lose revenue as a result of the publicity.


What has his business (or personal) conduct got to do with the fact he is Jewish? You would have the same opinion were he of pure German descents.

If German or Norwegian-American or japanese dudes -to make some examples- presented a consistent pattern of deception and trickery one could express contempt about something like this with "crooked kraut" etc.
But in reality they mostly don't, so you don't hear it.
At the same time, if one said "crooked texan redneck" for example, nobody would bat an eye... It's mostly "j*w" that triggers a conditioned response.


Winston wrote:Hof is not a Jewish name. It sounds more like German. But Hof could be a pseudonym and not his real name.
Jews are clever, but his words sound stupid and uneducated. He sounds like a dumb redneck.

Plenty of j*ws have german and polish originated or made-up names. Spielberg, Hoffman, polansky etc etc. It's unfortunate that some of them despise germans so much, yet they have the names, and on top of it many of them are actually in great part german/slavic. It's really convoluted.

Why would the media praise him just because he's a Jew? Jews do not always band together or help each other. Jewish people I know tell me that Jews do not help other Jews just because they are the same race. They are all out for themselves. Even the Jews on this forum will tell you that.

There are those elites in the media, government, mafia, and finance that are realy jew-centric, if I can make the expression. This has been postulated many times, I hate to be redundant.
Sorry, I don't mean to hijack your thread into yet another 'race discussion' :roll: but just trying to address the points.


He would not post on the BBB just to amuse himself. That's a dumb theory. Obviously he did it because the BBB asked him to, and he knows that if he does not post a response, the BBB will rate his business negatively on their site. The BBB is considered an authoritative source, and he does not want negative points on it. That's the obvious reason he responded.

Besides all the other angles in this, that's one of the great things about America, that nice methodical business environment. You can actually discuss your p4p business complains and credit card stuff on such medium lol!! try that anywhere else.
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Postby Repatriate » Sun Jun 01, 2014 3:59 am

Winston, I don't understand why you didn't do the following:

1) Visit Mexico or some other region close by and enjoy the p4p facilities there at third world prices and with better quality than the Bunny Ranch. I've never done the p4p thing in Mexico but you can easily find tickets to Tijuana on kayak for around $500 round trip and probably even cheaper during promo airfare weeks. Even when you factor in hotel, food, etc.. it's well worth it if you're just looking for some paid p***y.

2) You live in Vegas which is the hot spot for escorts. I've never done p4p in the U.S. but even I know about the existence of escort review sites. You could _easily_ have just ordered a hooker to bang. With the advent of ratings systems i'm sure you could figure out which ones aren't scams and would offer decent service. I'm sure this would have cost less than even option 1.

Instead you chose to drive all the way to a gaudy brothel that's been featured on reality shows and the media. Of course it's going to be expensive and over commercialized nonsense.

Also, I have to agree with a lot of other posters here..unless you were threatened at gunpoint there's no reason why you should have let a woman just take your card out of your wallet. You said you were naked on the bed and the woman was holding to your arm. THEN GET UP OFF THE DAMN BED AND RETRIEVE YOUR WALLET! Also, even after she took your card and swiped it several times racking up charges WHY DID YOU SIGN OFF ON EACH ONE SLIP?

Btw, just for future consideration if you are signing something you aren't sure about you can always write "signed under duress" and just initial your name. That leaves some wiggle room for disputes if they have to show proof of signature.

Winston, this whole thing is self inflicted. I don't understand why you get yourself into wacky situations like this. This situation was not only easily avoidable but you never should have been there in the first place with the existence of much better options.

At any rate this thread almost made me piss myself wiith laughter.
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Postby djfourmoney » Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:08 am

There is no reason to go after Hof because like he said Winston could have not gone or stopped anytime. Brothels in Nevada are horribly expensive because prostitution is illegal everywhere but counties outside of Clark County (Las Vegas/Henderson).

I banged some the best looking White women I've ever seen in GERMANY! If it was about banging hot White women for a few dollars/euros then head to Europe, after the plane ticket, you wouldn't have spent $1,500 total. You can fly to Europe for less than $1,000 in most cases. If you spent $500 inside an P4P, you wouldn't be complaining, it would be GFE at the most and PSE at the least.

You also have to factor in if these providers find you attractive. Just picking a chick out of the lineup doesn't WORK! I picked women at these places that made eye contact with me. It worked 5 out of 6 times and was totally worth it. I spent about 600 Euros...

I agree 100% with Repatriate...
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Postby Winston » Sun Jun 01, 2014 7:31 am

Repatriate,
I was planning to drive to Tijuana later. It's only a 5 hour drive. But at the time, I wanted a white girl. I told you, I went there before and had a positive experience for $200 or $250. So I was willing to do it again. I did not know that prices there had risen to $1000+. And I figured that if the prices were too much, I could just say no and there'd be no deal and no loss.

That plan made perfect sense. Nothing should have gone wrong. The girls there usually let me go when we cannot agree on price. That's how it usually goes. Thus I had nothing to lose in theory. Hence, my decision was logical.

I did not know that I would be unlucky and meet those two - Six Shades and Chanel. They were different from the others, and different from the norm there. There was no way I could have foreseen that.

How many times do I have to explain all this? I did not make a bad decision. I was just unlucky to get those two scammers. The other girls there were not like that. They always let me go if we could not agree on price. They did not try to resort to deception. Most of the brothel girls there do not do that. Thus, I had nothing to lose.

I explained many times already why I did not stop. They used deception to prevent me from stopping. Every time they added a $400 charge, they promised it would be for one hour. But in reality it was only for 15 minutes at most. They were super aggressive, especially Chanel. I was in a compromised position too.

In that situation, one is not 100 percent free to think and use free will like an armchair quarterback is. You fail to take that into account.

However, even if I'm guilty of not stopping, the fact still remains that the girls LIED and did NOT deliver on their promise of $300 for one hour. So they need to be penalized for that, not receive zero penalty for it. Thus my complaint is still legit and Dennis Hof owes me a resolution to it.

Here is my addendum post on the BBB website that addresses this:

To Dennis Hof:

Dennis, one more thing. At the very least, you MUST refund my initial $300 payment, because the girls did NOT deliver on what was promised for that amount. They offered one hour of sex for that $300, in order to prevent me from leaving. But in actuality, it was only about 5 minutes of warm-up foreplay. It might have been up to 10 minutes, but in my memory, it was closer to 5 minutes.

Now you know that there is a VERY BIG DIFFERENCE between 5 minutes and 60 minutes right? Anyone does. If you don't, then you need to return to grade school. Either way, stop denying the facts.

The point is, they LIED and did NOT deliver on their promise. So at the very least, you owe me that $300 since they totally broke the agreement. That's a 100 percent FACT!

Additionally, when they charged the additional $400 after 5 or 10 minutes, they also PROMISED again that it would be for one hour. Yet AGAIN they broke it and in fact it was only 15 minutes at most.

So they lied twice, first for the $300 charge and then for the $400 charge they added minutes later. Do you understand?

There is no way around it Dennis. You can't weasel out of this. The facts are the facts. They did not give me the hour they promised, only 5 minutes, followed by 15 minutes for each of the $400 charges they made against my will.

That's what happened. Honestly. I swear. Stop trying to spin it. Even if I'm guilty for not stopping it, still, your girls LIED MAJORLY and DID NOT DELIVER on what they promised.

Thus you cannot just give them zero penalty for that. No way dude. They did WRONG and scammed me and thus I have a legitimate complaint and dispute that needs to be resolved.

Bottom line: At the very least, you owe me that $300 they renegged on, and to be fair, the $400 afterward too, since they renegged on that too.

We need to come to some middle ground about this Dennis. Otherwise, you will have a permanent record on RipoffReport.com, which will show up at the top of Google rankings and cause significant losses in your business.

You need to punish the guilty parties. It's your job and duty. SO DO IT!

I await your resolution and proposal.

Thank you.
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Postby Repatriate » Sun Jun 01, 2014 9:04 am

Winston wrote:I explained many times already why I did not stop. They used deception to prevent me from stopping. Every time they added a $400 charge, they promised it would be for one hour. But in reality it was only for 15 minutes at most. They were super aggressive, especially Chanel. I was in a compromised position too.

These are your own words:
Getting back to the story, a thousand dollars for this was not worth it. So I declined and tried to leave. But they kept pestering me to agree to it. After a while, when I was heading out the door, they finally agreed on $300 for an hour. I accepted and they ran my credit card.

But after only 10 minutes, they said my time was up and wanted to charge me another $400 to continue! I said no way, but Chanel took my wallet and credit card out and swiped it at the office AGAINST my will, which was a clear ethical violation.


Ok, they did initially trick you into going in the room under the false premise of 300 an hour. However, why in the world did you allow her to take YOUR CREDIT CARD especially after she broke her original agreement 10 minutes into the session? This is when you should have grabbed your wallet and pants, gotten up, and left. You would have been out $300 but it would have been a lesson learned.

Instead you LET HER TAKE YOUR CARD, WALK OUT, AND SWIPE IT after she lied to you a second time and you believed her! :lol: Winston, it's not that these girls were master con artists. You are just one of the most gullible people alive and they could see it. You're an easy mark and have no backbone and these two sluts were able to suss that out fast. It's just like that situation in Russia where that one girl was using you like a walking ATM and you just couldn't say no! :lol: :lol:


However, even if I'm guilty of not stopping, the fact still remains that the girls LIED and did NOT deliver on their promise of $300 for one hour. So they need to be penalized for that, not receive zero penalty for it. Thus my complaint is still legit and Dennis Hof owes me a resolution to it.

They will not be penalized for anything because you agreed to everything including signing off on the receipts. What is that old saying? Don't pay for something you haven't received yet. Caveat Emptor.
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Postby Contrarian Expatriate » Sun Jun 01, 2014 10:43 am

djfourmoney wrote:Brothels in Nevada are horribly expensive because p4p is illegal everywhere but counties outside of Clark County (Las Vegas/Henderson).

If I understand the facts correctly, I am not inclined to see overpricing in this at all based on the above. It is a simple matter of supply and demand so they charge that much because they can.

On the question of whether or not they racked up the charges by scam is a moot point. Once should NEVER use a credit card at strip clubs, brothels, night clubs, etc. You are begging to be overcharged and nickel and dimed unless you use cash.

Psychologically-speaking, one is aware of what he is spending when cash is utilized. Credit cards remove those acknowledgments and often people are surprised how much they actually spent. Businesses have known this for years hence the current move to electronically pay for everything these days. USE CASH is the lesson here.

Finally, brothels and strip club often employ unsavory types with criminal pasts and high levels of skill in hustling. That means you should always have your guard up because they all want to separate you from your money even if they are being unethical while being legal. This sounds like you got the American brothel version of the pretty bar girl asking you to buy her a drink and for you to be stuck with a $500 bill for 1 or 2 drinks.

Sorry this happened, but $1500 is not too much to lose for a good lesson in how to prevent it in the future.
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Postby djfourmoney » Tue Jun 03, 2014 5:16 am

Contrarian Expatriate wrote:
djfourmoney wrote:Brothels in Nevada are horribly expensive because p4p is illegal everywhere but counties outside of Clark County (Las Vegas/Henderson).

If I understand the facts correctly, I am not inclined to see overpricing in this at all based on the above. It is a simple matter of supply and demand so they charge that much because they can.

On the question of whether or not they racked up the charges by scam is a moot point. Once should NEVER use a credit card at strip clubs, brothels, night clubs, etc. You are begging to be overcharged and nickel and dimed unless you use cash.

Psychologically-speaking, one is aware of what he is spending when cash is utilized. Credit cards remove those acknowledgments and often people are surprised how much they actually spent. Businesses have known this for years hence the current move to electronically pay for everything these days. USE CASH is the lesson here.

Finally, brothels and strip club often employ unsavory types with criminal pasts and high levels of skill in hustling. That means you should always have your guard up because they all want to separate you from your money even if they are being unethical while being legal. This sounds like you got the American brothel version of the pretty bar girl asking you to buy her a drink and for you to be stuck with a $500 bill for 1 or 2 drinks.

Sorry this happened, but $1500 is not too much to lose for a good lesson in how to prevent it in the future.


I believe this the key reason.

If you do a quick, unscientific poll of most American males and ask them if going to Mexico or Brazil or Russia was dangerous. Many would say yes and wouldn't go on their own accord.

All three of those countries have tolerated or legal forms of prostitution.

That keeps prices down because lots of women consider it a legit way to earn money and enter the business. But because sex is restricted in America, P4P is expensive. Even at $200-$250, you can get a provider to spend the night with you; meaning you could have sex at least three times if not more before she leaves in the morning.

Geezus I was offered TLN (spend the night) for $50US once in TJ. She wasn't that hot, so I said no thanks.

Winston said he wanted a White woman. So I guess in that case it was best for him to go to a brothel in Nevada. It would have been cheaper than going to Germany or The Netherlands. Hell in Hungry youth unemployment is so high, I heard both providers and even porn actresses can be had for a few Euros.

If you go to Backpages, Craigslist or Eros, you'll find there's quite a few women in America providing services illegally. The reasons it's not legal shows you how much control the Religious Right and Feminist have control over a man's sexual activities.

Some might call it prohibition....
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Postby jamesbond » Tue Jun 03, 2014 8:08 am

djfourmoney wrote:If you go to Backpages, Craigslist or Eros, you'll find there's quite a few women in America providing services illegally.

The reasons it's not legal shows you how much control the Religious Right and Feminist have control over a man's sexual activities.

Some might call it prohibition....


Exactly, when it comes to p4p, we are still a puritan and prudish country. America is one of the few countries in the world where p4p is illegal, in most countries it's legal.

That goes to show you how much power religious groups and feminists have in this country.
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