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Winston scammed $1500 at Moonlite Bunny Ranch Brothel!

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Postby Array9 » Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:50 pm

Repatriate wrote:Winston, I don't understand why you didn't do the following:

1) Visit Mexico or some other region close by and enjoy the p4p facilities there at third world prices and with better quality than the Bunny Ranch. I've never done the p4p thing in Mexico but you can easily find tickets to Tijuana on kayak for around $500 round trip and probably even cheaper during promo airfare weeks. Even when you factor in hotel, food, etc.. it's well worth it if you're just looking for some paid p***y.

2) You live in Vegas which is the hot spot for escorts. I've never done p4p in the U.S. but even I know about the existence of escort review sites. You could _easily_ have just ordered a hooker to bang. With the advent of ratings systems i'm sure you could figure out which ones aren't scams and would offer decent service. I'm sure this would have cost less than even option 1.

Instead you chose to drive all the way to a gaudy brothel that's been featured on reality shows and the media. Of course it's going to be expensive and over commercialized nonsense.

Also, I have to agree with a lot of other posters here..unless you were threatened at gunpoint there's no reason why you should have let a woman just take your card out of your wallet. You said you were naked on the bed and the woman was holding to your arm. THEN GET UP OFF THE DAMN BED AND RETRIEVE YOUR WALLET! Also, even after she took your card and swiped it several times racking up charges WHY DID YOU SIGN OFF ON EACH ONE SLIP?

Btw, just for future consideration if you are signing something you aren't sure about you can always write "signed under duress" and just initial your name. That leaves some wiggle room for disputes if they have to show proof of signature.

Winston, this whole thing is self inflicted. I don't understand why you get yourself into wacky situations like this. This situation was not only easily avoidable but you never should have been there in the first place with the existence of much better options.

At any rate this thread almost made me piss myself wiith laughter.


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WW, you just got muscled and hustled by a woman. At your age, you should have more wisdom to not put yourself in this situation. Chalk it up as a loss and move on.
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Postby Yohan » Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:17 pm

Winston wrote:There is nothing wrong with brothels, as long as the transactions that take place are done honestly between consenting adults.


This is true, but...

In USA brothels and prostitution in general are a legal grey zone, highly overpriced, managed by low-life women and gangsters and to expect them to be honest sounds strange to me.

USA is a terrible place for sex of any kind and openly said, the only advice I can give is keep your money in your wallet, no need even to try.

USD 1.500,-? Not such a small amount. There are more useful ways to spend it, sex cannot be everything in life.
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Postby HouseMD » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:00 pm

They charge for every 10 minutes. You went well over 10 minutes. You were charged for services rendered.

You let her take your wallet, and stayed there for another 30 minutes, then signed the receipt. Epic fails on every level. I do love how a bunch of people in this thread jumped on it being a conspiracy though, lol.

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Postby Rock » Tue Jun 03, 2014 6:21 pm

HouseMD wrote:They charge for every 10 minutes. You went well over 10 minutes. You were charged for services rendered.

You let her take your wallet, and stayed there for another 30 minutes, then signed the receipt. Epic fails on every level. I do love how a bunch of people in this thread jumped on it being a conspiracy though, lol.

"Guy scammed me, must be the Jews!!!!"


Worse yet, he signed. And after they ripped him off once (giving a fraction of the time promised), he kept signing the subsequent credit card slips and letting them play him like a fiddle. I gotta agree, this situation is wacky. Here you got the figurehead of Happier Abroad movement going to brothels in the USA and getting exploited as if he's never been around a girl before. It's sad, pathetic, and funny at the same time.
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Postby Repatriate » Wed Jun 04, 2014 2:28 am

This is one of the funniest threads i've ever read on HA. It even beats some of jamesbond's hilarious photoshop stuff of Winston. It may not have been worth $1500 for Winston but it is definitely worth $1500 for the price of admission for endless comedy for the rest of us.
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Postby eurobrat » Tue Jun 10, 2014 1:25 am

Repatriate wrote:This is one of the funniest threads i've ever read on HA. It even beats some of jamesbond's hilarious photoshop stuff of Winston. It may not have been worth $1500 for Winston but it is definitely worth $1500 for the price of admission for endless comedy for the rest of us.


Winston, you've really topped yourself this time. This beats you getting scammed in Russia.
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Postby jamesbond » Tue Jun 10, 2014 4:10 am

Repatriate wrote:This is one of the funniest threads i've ever read on HA. It even beats some of jamesbond's hilarious photoshop stuff of Winston. It may not have been worth $1500 for Winston but it is definitely worth $1500 for the price of admission for endless comedy for the rest of us.


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Postby Winston » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:26 am

Everyone,
Did you notice in Dennis Hof's last response to me on the BBB website, that he claimed that I got a bargain for $1500? WTF? lol. He claims that $1500 for 45 min of bad sex that's not even GFE is a bargain! What a delusional twit and scumbag.

I forgot to respond to that, so I added this comment on my BBB complaint page.

To BBB:

Why do you give this company a rating of A-? They do not answer my emails and do not respond to disputes nor discuss them. That's a very bad sign. Every normal business is willing to discuss disputes and propose a compromise. Only this one isn't. That's a sign of guilt, not innocence. They scammed me AGAINST my will out of $1500 and their owner doesn't care. Very bad sign. It's obvious these are scumbags and sociopaths. They deserve an F rating, definitely not A-. You need to revise that.

To Dennis Hof:

I just read your response again and laughed at the part where you said I got a bargain for $1500. Are you really that delusional? $1500 for bad sex is NOT a bargain at all. No one thinks that.

Let me educate you on some facts, so listen up.

Sex does NOT cost $1000+ anywhere, and is NOT worth that much anywhere either. The standard rate for sex in America is $200, more or less, and has been for many years. But not $1000. No way. Maybe Pamela Anderson could charge that much. But not a brothel girl. No way.

In Germany, sex is under $100. In Poland, it's $30. In Holland at Amsterdam, it's $50. In USA and Canada, it's about $200. Not $1000. Get that through your head.

One of the strippers at Squeeze and Play told me that you went to Holland and noted that the prices there for sex were $50.

Well guess what? Holland, Germany and Poland are NOT third world countries, so your statement that sex is cheaper than $1000 only in third world countries is false, even by your own experience in Holland.

Anyhow, the point is that sex in the USA is worth around $200. So there's no way I'm paying $1500 for it. I never agreed to that price. Your staff took it by force and trickery, so they committed a CRIME. YOU are RESPONSIBLE for that. Get it?

Lesson in logic for you: Just because you raise the price from $200 to $1000+ doesn't make it worth that much. That would be like me raising the price of bubble gum from 50 cents to $1000. Even if I did, it still wouldn't be worth that much. Saying so doesn't make it so.

You got that? I just gave you some free education in the real world here and a free lesson in basic logic. So you owe me for that. lol.

Now get down to earth and propose a solution and return the money your staff scammed AGAINST my will. Your response did not contain any proposal or compromise at all. You need to provide one. Please do so.

Remember that the universe has a perfect karmic accounting system. No debt goes unpaid. So pay up. Do what's right.
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Postby Winston » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:30 am

Check this out. Someone from the Sex in Nevada forums found my blog and told me to post my story there. It seems that the guys there hate Dennis Hof as well. When I looked at the threads about him there, I found this one. Apparently, Dennis Hof has a pattern of jipping his brothel girls of their last paycheck when they quit. What a stingy bastard. See below.

Dennis Hof Refuses to Pay $1400 to Former Working Girl
http://sex-in-nevada.net/smforum/index. ... ic=13760.0
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Postby Winston » Fri Jun 13, 2014 1:40 am

Update:

Dennis Hof just posted another response to me on the BBB website. Here is what he wrote:

On June 11, 2014, the business provided the following information:

Wu we answer your mail. SCAM is a very serious word and we don't think so.

If a client has a issue with our girls we here about it right away not months later. You threatened us, you said bad things about my company. You also use illegal criminal types and third world examples re price and service, we are a nearly 60 year old company and we are known for quality girls girls. We don to believe you are credible or you would have said something on the spot, NOTHING TWISTED YOU ARM, YOU A MAN AND YOU MADE THE PURCHASE. This is not a shirt you can return.

You say sex in america is $200, maybe in the illegal criminal world you have felt with, THIS IS LEGAL, you want 2 girls and you wanted to rebook and rebook and keep the party going , thats costs money. There is no place you are going to get 2 girls featured in Penthouse magazine to party the you, much less for a$200 Get real!!!!

Force Trickery, this is lie, there were witnesses!! You wanted more and they gave you more.

You didn't agree to that price? Lie, you signed the credit card slips with witnesses.

You have been here before, you know we are legal and you know we have quality.

If you decide to return in the next 3 months, i will charge you half price with the girl you decide to party with.

Next time stay within your budget mr wu.


My response:

Again, the business did NOT propose a resolution, only a fictitious story to try to pit the blame on me falsely without considering what I had to say. Mr. Hof was not there and is continuing to spin a false story to deter blame away from them. Well sorry Mr. Hof, but darkness cannot stand the light of truth. You've failed to cover up and hide the the real truth of the matter.

You also lie when you say you answer my email. You do not. You only wrote me back once the first time I emailed you but it was obvious you didn't know what happened, so I explained it to you calmly in great detail, hoping to appeal to your reason. You ignored me after that completely.

I DID stay within my budget, Mr. Hof. That's why I REFUSED to pay $1000 when they declared their price. That's when they decided to resort to trickery to get what they wanted. An honest girl would have just parted ways.

FYI, again, I did NOT rebook or agree to pay $1500. The deal was for $300 for on hour. That was the agreement. I swear it.

At first, they wanted at least $1000. That's why I was going to leave. But the girls did not want me to leave. They had to get at least $1000 out of me, and were willing to use trickery, lies and deceit to get it. And that's exactly what they did. I swear to God.

So they offered $300 for "everything I wanted" they said. The deal was $300 for one hour of sex. That's what the price has always been, and what I paid before. But they did NOT keep that deal. After a few minutes of foreplay and warm up, they stopped and began charging me $400 every 10 or 15 minutes.

That's how they forced me into paying $1500, which I was UNWILLING to pay, against my will. No way was I gonna pay that, so they had to trick me by charging me in increments, and lying about the $300 deal.

Do you understand? I am tired of explaining this to you so many times Mr. Hof.

Sex in America is not worth $1000. It is worth $200. That is the standard price and has been for many years. You know that.

It is NOT true that sex is only cheaper in third world countries. Mr. Hof, you've been to Holland and you acknowledged that sex there cost $50. You told the girls at your strip club about it. One of them told me. Holland, Germany and Poland are NOT third world countries. So stop trying to use false comparisons.

Sex is not worth $1000, Mr. Hof. Everyone knows that. Stop trying to deny that. 99.99 percent of guys would never pay $1000 for sex, even if they were wealthy. It's simply not worth that kind of price at all. They could use that money to just go overseas and have a much better experience with bar girls or working girls abroad, at normal reasonable rates.

FACT: Your staff definitely did SCAM me. That is a 100 percent fact that I will swear to. It's obvious to anyone too.

You do not look credible Mr. Hof. I do. I am very authentic, down to earth, sincere, intellectual, truthful, and no-nonsense. Anyone who hears me speak or sees me will attest to that. There are podcasts and videos of me available publicly.

I also have many third party references attesting to my character, integrity and credibility too. You have none of those Mr. Hof.

Bottom line: Your staff scammed me. I was only willing to pay $200 or $300 at most. They agreed to $300 and then charged me another $1200 AGAINST my will. I swear to God that I did NOT agree to any of it. They broke the deal and lied and tricked me. I swear it.

They should not go unpunished for this. And I will make sure that justice prevails. That's a promise. Truth is on my side. Not yours. Just accept the facts Mr. Hof. Stop trying to misportray what happened.

Do the right thing Mr. Hof. Fix the scam that happened. I'm not paying $1500 for 45 min of bad sex that is not even GFE. No way jose.

If you continue to avoid the truth and justice, I will put my story on RipoffReport.com and also on the forum sex-in-nevada.net, which has been recommended to me as well.

If you continue to avoid the truth Mr. Hof, your business and its reputation will continue suffering the consequences. You will lose business, more than the $1500 I was robbed of.

Crime doesn't pay, Mr. Hof. You can't win against the truth.

I swear on the Bible that my version of what happened is the TRUTH, and Mr. Hof's is not.

Thank you for your attention.
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Postby Repatriate » Fri Jun 13, 2014 2:42 am

Hof is a sleazy dirt bag but he's right about this Winston. You agreed to pay by signing off on each slip. It's going to be legally impossible to wriggle out of this. The best chance you had was the credit card supervisor being sympathetic and believing your claims of duress then reversing the charges. However, it sounds like you lost that appeal with them so you have no case.

I can't imagine what kind of conversation you had with the accounts people for your credit card. It must have been comedy gold. You should have recorded it for us to listen to.
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Postby Zero_Tolerance_Man » Fri Jun 13, 2014 3:47 am

After 10 minutes, if they insisted on more, you should have gotten up and demanded your money back. You never should have continued to stay. Also, did you sign those extra credit card vouchers? Hof says you did. If you signed them, you will have a hard time winning the case.
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Postby djfourmoney » Fri Jun 13, 2014 6:31 am

jamesbond wrote:
djfourmoney wrote:If you go to Backpages, Craigslist or Eros, you'll find there's quite a few women in America providing services illegally.

The reasons it's not legal shows you how much control the Religious Right and Feminist have control over a man's sexual activities.

Some might call it prohibition....


Exactly, when it comes to p4p, we are still a puritan and prudish country. America is one of the few countries in the world where p4p is illegal, in most countries it's legal.

That goes to show you how much power religious groups and feminists have in this country.


Actually it shows how much in disarray Men are in America. Poor White men believe they are victims of racist policies that impact their access to White women in their income strata. Black men complain White men or White Society has turned Black women against them. This leads to infighting and bickering on here.

Nothing is being done, there are no protest. If women can have Slut Walks, how come Men can't advocate to not only legalize weed but also legalize all drugs and prostitution? It is often said that Libertarians are Republicans that like get high and bang prostitutes. But what are most Libertarians talking about?

Cutting/Eliminating social programs..... If you pin them down they might say they support the legalizing of drugs and prostitution.

But men largely don't vote, women do. So guess what happens.....

The squeaky wheel gets the oil, but the Government doesn't hear you squeaking.

What they do here is you want to keep access too all your guns.... So they aren't touching gun laws, despite the seemingly up tick in gun violence. They also are listening to you (mostly White men) want to not give citizenship to people that have cross the southern boarder or have overstayed their vista in America.

Are the men of HA really interested in these issues? Some are undoubtedly but it's not increasing your access to White women is it?

The real reasons preventing men from getting the woman they want is totally economic. Some of it is style and some men lack any sort of style and scoff at the idea they actually have to dress nice, be shaven, smell nice and be polite.
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Postby Dragon » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:15 am

Winston is so pathetic and clueless sometimes it's painful to watch...
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Postby Cornfed » Fri Jun 13, 2014 8:22 am

Dragon wrote:Winston is so pathetic and clueless sometimes it's painful to watch...

But lets be fair; Winston may be helping to keep the price of p4p down for other men. That is a good thing.
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