Get skills, build skills, make yourself valuable in some way. Once you do this, the rest will fall into place. Until you have something to provide of value, don't go anywhere.GenYguy wrote:Yeah, I've never liked the idea of working for someone elses benefit either. I'd rather build MYSELF up than build up some other guys presence, and I don't like being totally disposable. Though I know to work for myself, I need certain skills and attitudes. This forum is great for finding like minded people.Ghost wrote:If I was back at that age and free, I would go the online route and do that as much as possible. Even if you're working 40, 50, 60 hours a week, sure beats working for someone else's benefit (while getting a paltry paycheck in return.) And by the time you're my age (26), you could move there permanently and find a nice little Filipina and stay with her, enjoying a fairly safe, stable, secure life that is - most importantly - happy. If only I had known then what I know now...that's what I would've done. I'm 26, have a bachelor's degree, have work experience, and am currently living and teaching in China. And I'll be taking my first trip to the Philippines in a month. I wish I had applied myself before and done it so much sooner.
So that's another reason I've never had or wanted a traditional job. You're only 26, we're both still young .
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I just had this conversation with another guy a day or two ago.
There are a limited number of fields available for those who are not specialized. This is not necessarily because foreigners are incapable of doing other jobs but because the respective governments of the countries foreigners want to work in limits the jobs to those that their own people are incapable of doing.
Teaching English - if you don't have a degree and/or TEFL certificate, you're going to be fairly limited to what you earn. Most guys in Thailand are making around $1000 a month, sometimes more, sometimes less. Those with solid credentials are making $45K+++. So in my opinion, if you don't have the credentials, unless you're willing to bust your ass or start up a company of your own like Ladislav, for the long term it's a dead end job. It might work for a couple of years until you can figure something else out but...you need to figure something out before you get too old and if you come back to the US or wherever you can only get a job at McDonalds or Wal-Mart because you have no job history and you're too old.
If you're asking about good-paying jobs that hardly anyone knows about, you need to do more yourself. YOU need to be the hustler and find the niche, find where you can provide a service or product that people need. Guys without skills aren't making a killing because someone told them about a job and they flew over and started working. The only exception I can think of is if you get in with a boiler room. You usually need someone to vouch for you though and if you get busted, you'll probably spend some time in jail, get deported, and blacklisted.
Many years ago I used to sell products from Asia. There were very few sites that looked good, provided good service, and had good products. So I did this for a couple of years and made anywhere from $2500 a month all the way up to $10K a month. Then people starting catching on, competition drove prices down, and it because much less worthwhile for me to do this. So I stopped and found another way to make money.
Nowadays many of the telecommuting jobs or other jobs abroad are already known. So you need the degree, the certification, whatever. To get an oil rig job - you need an in or certification. To be a teacher, in most places you need a degree. The answer is make your own job. But what job is up to you.
My buddy worked for an airline for many years. Against his better judgement, he quite and move to Thailand. He's working a job now where he's making 25,000 baht a month. He doesn't know what else to do than what he's doing, which is SEO. He works 6 days a week for shit. Why move? Better to get the credentials first and then move. Seriously.
And absolutely positively no more college for now. Get your grades this term to prove to yourself you can do it.
Then no more.
If you run up college loans, then drop out, they will take your passport away.
If you have the self-discipline to give up TV and video games, you have the self-discipline to succeed in online self-employment.
With your auditory situation, TEFL would be a poor choice.
The way you can pay your parents back is to thrive. That's what will thrill them.
Not necessarily. The trouble is that you never know what valuable skills there will be a market for at a given time and place. There a plenty of unemployed people with valuable skills. Many skills can only be utilized via the corporate system, and so if they don't want to hire you, you are out of luck. Most valued job skills can only be acquired from doing the job for several years in the first place, so if people only want to hire already skilled workers you are out of luck. Even if you get skills and experience, whole industries can be wiped out overnight. It is getting less and less likely that young men in the West will receive a payoff for whatever skills they acquire.
Just a thought. Would you be suitable for the security industry? It is a job that can sometimes be learned on the job by taking easy jobs and progressing to harder ones. It is a growing industry in most parts of the world, both as the social situation deteriorates and govts palm more of the role of police onto private security. This latter reason means that people with good communication skills are in demand in order to write incident reports, testify in court etc. You would probably have to do it where you are at first, but maybe you could subsequently become a consultant and transfer overseas.
This could happen, that could happen...yes, but the sky isn't falling. ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN. So should I just forgo a f***ing education because something might happen? I don't think so. You have to take a chance one way or another and I'd much rather be the guy with skills than the guy without. If a person is sharp enough or they're a hustler, they'll figure it out. Period. But if they're asking what sort of job to do, that generally means they're going to work for someone else or a company. To do this, you need skills. I'll take having an education and skills over not having them any day of the week, even if whole industries can be wiped out overnight.
So he needs to acquire the skills before he transfers overseas, correct?
All the security guys I know, they got their jobs because they were in the military or are retired cops.
Like any gamble, you calculate the amount at risk and the odds and size of the potential payoff and make a decision on that basis. College in the West is now an insane gamble when evaluated by the usual standards for most young men.
Maybe so. But there are other ways to gain credentials, that's my point. A young kid with no credentials or acquired occupational skills is going to have to hustle to make a living.
Yes, he would have to work locally until he had enough skills and contacts to bring something to the table. A lot of security are ex-ZOG goons, but it is still possible to start out checking bags at the supermarket or whatever and work your way up. Of course, that may change...