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Postby polya » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:55 am

So, will you make it to the Philippines or are you going to study in the USA?
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Postby Ghost » Wed Oct 02, 2013 12:13 pm

I concur with the idea of giving college a pass. I've known plenty of people with hard degrees who couldn't find jobs (or did but it took a long time.) Making a lot of money should not be the goal - happiness should be. Build up a monthly income of $800-$1000 that you earn through the internet, and expat. You could easily spend 4+ years in college, come out saddled with massive debt, and only be able to get a job making LESS than $1000 a month.

I'll use myself as an example:

(Fortunately, I have no debt.) I graduated college, after having screwed up a bit, making my 4 year degree take 5 years. I was living at home unemployed for 8 months. Could not find the simplest little f***ing job. Then finally, I got hired at a place. It was a completely dead-end job. I averaged about $900 a month my first YEAR.

If, instead of college, I had worked on freelance writing, self-publishing, blogging/website creation, affiliate marketing, getting a TESOL and teaching English online or expatting quickly, and any other number of things, I would be living in the Philippines long term right now, with a steady monthly income that didn't require a job.
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Postby gsjackson » Wed Oct 02, 2013 1:07 pm

Jester wrote:The way you can pay your parents back is to thrive. That's what will thrill them.


While this is probably true, the admonition to keep his parents needs front and center is more for his benefit than theirs, because he believes it is the right thing to do and if he loses sight of it as an objective it will set up a cognitive dissonance that will ill serve him. That doesn't necessarily mean he has to keep living with them once he's able to move out, or even stay in the same country. Only he can determine what it might entail.

Everyone's situation is different. In this case, he has good parents who have been good to him and are in a somewhat precarious financial situation. Gratitude is a great quality to have, and he is lucky enough to have parents who have given it to him.
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Postby HouseMD » Wed Oct 02, 2013 4:23 pm

While college may not be for everyone, on the average, you are better off with at least some qualifications than none. While I know a few college grads that make 30k a year, none of them are unemployed. And I dont have a single friend that clears 40k without a college degree, while I know many, many people that clear 60k with a degree.

Basically, having no credentials stacks the deck against you. Those that I know that have done the best for themselves have at least an associates in something that is applied: health sciences, engineering technology, computer science, HVAC, etc. Stack the deck in your favor if you can by picking up an applied credential that can be used abroad. Health care degrees can translate to health equipment sales positions, engineering can work in your favor just about anywhere, and there are a plethora of work from home programming positions.

One question though- why don't you get an entry level position somewhere and start saving money, either for school or travel? Working and paying your way through life can really change your perspective and motivate you. Take it from a fellow high school dropout that got his ass back to college after he realized what shit most jobs were. Take whatever you can get, nothing is beneath you when you've got nothing to offer. My first job was at McDonalds FFS.
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Postby Cornfed » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:34 pm

gsjackson wrote:In the meantime, you owe your parents -- big time. Start figuring out how you can repay the debt in some way, whether they ask for it or not. Be a help to them.

He owes his parents? They have neglected their duty to find him a place in the adult world and have no doubt played their part in remorselessly looting the birthright of future generations. Their actions have reduced him to an adult dependant. But, you say, they are using some of the ZOG dollars they have stolen from his generation to feed and house him beyond the arbitrary age we are supposed to think they are supposed to? Woo hoo. If I kidnapped your daughter and kept her as a sex slave in my basement, should she be grateful to me for feeding her? If I bulldoze your house in winter and then give you some of the lumber back to use as firewood, would you regard me as your benefactor? How is he really to pay his parents back for the situation that he is in? Torture them to death?
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Postby gsjackson » Wed Oct 02, 2013 9:50 pm

Cornfed wrote:
gsjackson wrote:In the meantime, you owe your parents -- big time. Start figuring out how you can repay the debt in some way, whether they ask for it or not. Be a help to them.

He owes his parents? They have neglected their duty to find him a place in the adult world and have no doubt played their part in remorselessly looting the birthright of future generations. Their actions have reduced him to an adult dependant. But, you say, they are using some of the ZOG dollars they have stolen from his generation to feed and house him beyond the arbitrary age we are supposed to think they are supposed to? Woo hoo. If I kidnapped your daughter and kept her as a sex slave in my basement, should she be grateful to me for feeding her? If I bulldoze your house in winter and then give you some of the lumber back to use as firewood, would you regard me as your benefactor? How is he really to pay his parents back for the situation that he is in? Torture them to death?


Are you saying that social security is ZOG dollars? His father paid in to that collective insurance program all his working life. The ZOG is trying to kill or redirect the program because it doesn't get funneled through the financial sector, allowing them to take their cut.

And did it ever occur to you that some parents might have had the same problems you're having negotiating their way through a miserable economy and culture? You imply that every parent is supposed to be in position to just hand over a satisfactory job to their offspring? That's an absurd fantasy in the current economic regime.
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Postby Hero » Wed Oct 02, 2013 11:15 pm

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Postby GenYguy » Thu Oct 03, 2013 12:35 am

polya wrote:So, will you make it to the Philippines or are you going to study in the USA?


I need to show my folks I can make money somehow, or they will want me to go to school. My real dream is to move to the Philippines, so whatever works fastest towards that end is what I'll do. I'm going to work on my website, and try elance and odesk, even if I don't make much right away, I'll still have SOMETHING to show for it. A little money from it, so my parents don't worry about how I'll make a living someday. I eventually want to get a degree, but I need my independence first.

So my plan is:
1) make enough money to move to the Philippines for a while, when I'm there keep trying to make MORE money so I can save up
2) after I've saved up enough, come back to the US and work on getting a degree (by then I will know what I want a degree for), my reasoning is that I need some time ON MY OWN to FIND MYSELF. I want to earn my degree without going into massive debt. That's my second goal. I don't get financial aid (or any scholarships), they say that my dad makes too much money (lol), the funny thing is that used to be true (he worked as a manager for social security), but he had a nasty divorce from a woman right here in the US (lol) and to this day she still gets like half of what he makes, even in retirement income. Add to that the fact that we're in debt from the nice things we have (like a built in backyard pool, nice TVs), and we really DON'T have much money. I could go on and on about other expenses we have, like my 35 year old dead beat half brother who doesn't have a job either, and is living in his car, asking my mom for money to fund his expensive habit (smoking cigarettes) and my mom, who is generous, giving him money whenever he asks. The college doesn't care about any of this though. So screw them, I'm not getting in debt.
3) when I come back to the US, I'll stay with my folks again while going back to school, to save even more money. And to visit my parents again for a few months, so they know I'm alright. I also want to finish what I've started, which is college. Even if it's only an Associate's degree. Hopefully the degree will help me make even more money at whatever I'm doing to support myself abroad.
4) rinse and repeat with some travel mixed in when I feel like it, until I have my degree someday (degree is secondary, happiness is primary)

I have to find a way to make this a reality. I will try to stay home as long as possible, without going to school and getting in debt, until I am making enough money online to support myself in the Philippines.
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Postby anamericaninbangkok » Thu Oct 03, 2013 1:46 am

Hero wrote:http://www1.internationalliving.com/fund-your-life-overseas/Report/sixportablecareers.html

http://www1.internationalliving.com/fun ... tlet3.html


Travel Writing - Get paid to travel the world

You need skill. If you don't have skills, forget it. Most people do not have the ability to make a living from travel writing or writing in general. Many of the lower tier magazines and websites pay crap or don't pay at all. In order to make any serious time, be prepared to pay your dues. Thinking about sites like eLance? Some can make a living writing for them but again, you need to have skill.

Travel Photography

As difficult, if not more difficult these days than travel writing. Everyone and their mother has a digital camera and wants to be a photographer. Give them a film camera and see what they can do. Also, the price paid for photographs is much less than in the past. Some guys can do microstock, but...this was never my cup of tea.

Copywriting - Launch Your Million-Dollar Writing Career

Again, you need skill. Copywriting is as difficult if not more so than travel writing.

Start an Import-Export business

If you find the right products, you can make some serious cash doing this. But finding the right product isn't as easy as it sounds. Also, even if you do find the right product, there are probably 100 other websites selling the same thing. I exported products from Asia many years ago and did pretty well. Once people caught on, it got harder to do.

Teach English Overseas

Like I said before, it takes a degree and a TEFL to make decent money. Otherwise, forget about it, it's a dead end gig where you'll make $1000 a month and rarely more than this. To me, that's chicken scratch and I personally would expect to progress past this. If you use it to pay the bills while searching for other ways to make money, then you're golden.

Internet Research

Don't know about the pay for doing this but...I'm skeptical that the average guy can make good money to be made from it.
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Postby Jester » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:34 am

GenYguy wrote:
I'm going to check out Odesk and Elance when I have time and let you guys know how that goes. :)



Please do.

You will inspire others.

Some who read this forum, but don't post here.

And some who do.
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Postby GenYguy » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:36 am

Cornfed wrote:
anamericaninbangkok wrote:So he needs to acquire the skills before he transfers overseas, correct?

All the security guys I know, they got their jobs because they were in the military or are retired cops.

Yes, he would have to work locally until he had enough skills and contacts to bring something to the table. A lot of security are ex-ZOG goons, but it is still possible to start out checking bags at the supermarket or whatever and work your way up. Of course, that may change...


What is ZOG?
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Postby Cornfed » Thu Oct 03, 2013 2:37 am

GenYguy wrote: What is ZOG?

Zionist Occupational Government.
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Postby GenYguy » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:16 am

Cornfed wrote:
GenYguy wrote: What is ZOG?

Zionist Occupational Government.


And what's that..? Conspiracy theory..?
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Odesk Profile

Postby GenYguy » Thu Oct 03, 2013 3:57 am

So I'm learning that setting up a profile on Odesk is not like creating a Facebook Profile lol. I have to find a way to sell myself.. this is the Odesk guidelines for setting up a profile, which I am reading now:
https://d1u2uhea8ugy8e.cloudfront.net/o ... l_2013.pdf

I have no idea how to sell myself, help forumers! For my "title" I am just going to put that I'm a college student. I have nothing else positive to identify myself with.. since I have no experience or skills...

For the overview of myself, I have no idea what to put? I've never applied to a job before?
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Re: Odesk Profile

Postby anamericaninbangkok » Thu Oct 03, 2013 4:05 am

GenYguy wrote:So I'm learning that setting up a profile on Odesk is not like creating a Facebook Profile lol. I have to find a way to sell myself.. this is the Odesk guidelines for setting up a profile, which I am reading now:
https://d1u2uhea8ugy8e.cloudfront.net/o ... l_2013.pdf

I have no idea how to sell myself, help forumers! For my "title" I am just going to put that I'm a college student. I have nothing else positive to identify myself with.. since I have no experience or skills...

For the overview of myself, I have no idea what to put? I've never applied to a job before?


Honestly, unless you are prepared to work your ass off, I don't know that I would bother with Odesk or Elance. I know some will disagree with me but...I've written for magazines and newspapers and for the most part, Odesk and Elance are not worth the trouble. I think there might be one or two guys on the forum who write for them regularly so they might be able to give you some specifics, but...personally, I think you'd be better off trying to break in writing for magazines if you want to do so. Generally, you don't write for the money. You write because you feel the need to write or the desire to express yourself. Writing is like any other art, you do it for the love and if you have the talent, you might get paid. Even if you do get paid, you are going to need/want to break out of the $10-$50 per article range. It's a real grind to make a living writing for this much.
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