For those who work in ESL

[chanta76]

Do you actually teach? Or is it more about just making it fun in the class room?

I read stories where being an ESL teacher is more about just entertaining the students than actually teaching. If your white sometimes they just want you to be that poster boy as a white teacher.

[Jonny Law]

You are getting paid 2 or 3 times as much as native teacher!
You are expected to teach!
If you are in a rural area the expectations maybe a little lower but you still expected to do a lot!

[chanta76]

Johnny. You have tesol? certified teacher? If I remember in your other post you used to be in law enforcement. I read in other ESL forums it depends on the school. Usually if your white and young they hire you just because your white and young. They use that white person as a poster boy or girl to attract students. And typically they are just dancing white monkey for the asian students.

Now for the non-white teachers it's bit harder to get work but not impossible and from reading ESL forums you actually have to be able to teach.

[Cornfed]

It depends very much on the school and the context. In China I actually taught real lessons, while an older guy did silly stuff. They preferred the older guy because we were supposed to be a kind of comic relief from their otherwise rigorous studies. However, these days you really need to get certification and be theoretically able to teach. The market is tight.

[Jonny Law]

Johnny. You have tesol? certified teacher? If I remember in your other post you used to be in law enforcement. I read in other ESL forums it depends on the school. Usually if your white and young they hire you just because your white and young. They use that white person as a poster boy or girl to attract students. And typically they are just dancing white monkey for the asian students.

Now for the non-white teachers it's bit harder to get work but not impossible and from reading ESL forums you actually have to be able to teach.

CORNFED IS RIGHT!!!
Gotta call a spade a spade when it is true.
They do like older teachers here!

I left law enforcement. I am in Thailand teaching.

Unfortunately white and young people are the most useless people on the entire planet (even as a dancing white monkey). Schools will avoid them if possible because they have a deserved bad reputation. If you are around forty you are most wanted.

For "non-white teachers" THEY ARE FUCKINGG BITCHESS THEY BITCHH ABOUT EVERYTHING.
NEWSFLASH!!!
Non-whites get treated too good in the US of Gay. When non-whites leave the US and get treated equal they lose their FUCKINGG MINDS!!!

[Guhji]

Schools prefer teachers >40? I thought the opportunities pretty much dried up after 30.

[Jonny Law]

Schools prefer teachers >40? I thought the opportunities pretty much dried up after 30.

NO!!!

Meanwhile In reality
Opportunities for teachers under 30 - 100 opportunities
Opportunities for teachers 40 years old - 200 opportunities

[Guhji]

Maybe that's the situation in Thailand. I'm certain that old age (over 35) works against you in Korea. Don't know about China or Vietnam.

[Jonny Law]

Maybe that's the situation in Thailand. I'm certain that old age (over 35) works against you in Korea. Don't know about China or Vietnam.

NO!!!
Korea = CUNTSS
They are f***ing CUNTSS!!! no matter what your age is.

Jonny Law's Recommendation
If you Guhji are not a complete anal retentive piece of shit IT IS BEST FOR YOU TO LEAVE KOREA!!
In Korea the money is decent and that is all.

[chanta76]

I thought they prefer younger female white teacher. Maybe just in South Korea.

So the recommendation is. Get a college degree . Get TESOL or even actually teaching certificate if you can. Be an actually teacher.

From reading other ESL forums the impression is that they sometimes want a dancing monkey.

[xiongmao]

What's the job market like in China and other places? I would quite like to quit the UK while the Brexit junk is going on. But I don't have much teaching experience and it's been harder to find an unpaid teaching experience gig in the UK than it has been to find an extremely well paid job in IT lol.

I guess I could go and do a Mandarin course again and get some unpaid teaching experience on the side.

Alternatively I might stay in the UK but the job market (for anything) is NOT looking terribly healthy right now.

[xiongmao]

Well I went ahead and did it. I've been teaching for almost a year now.

It was kind of a good career move. I work half as much as I did in the UK yet my retirement fund is growing at much the same rate as it was from a 40 hour week job in London.

Teaching is fun. I do try and get them to learn stuff. For example I am planning a paraphrasing lesson. However my salary is partly dependent upon feedback from students, so less homework and more games makes me popular. This kind of works against the students which is a shame.

Next year I believe I'll be teaching IT as well as English... U gotta move up the value chain.

Salaries in China can be VERY good. I just interviewed for a Thailand job but it was about GBP 400 a month less than I get here, less paid holidays and most important of all no free apartment and free utilities. Also I think I have the world's cheapest canteen meals (breakfast, lunch, dinner) which is just 2RMB a go.

[chanta76]

Is there any advantage in getting a graduate degree in ESL teaching vs just TESOL certificate?

Or is it just the same.

[snede]

It depends on what type of ESL teaching you want to do. With a graduate degree getting a University job is a good possibility.

[DanielLee5]

My white friend worked in China, and he was really better paid than native teachers. He was supposed to be more than teacher, bring up kids, entertain them, to accompany them at different events at theatres, museums, etc. He said that wasn't very difficult as he lived there alone, and he loves kids, other teachers' team who understand English and could communicate with him. We had an American teacher at University, he made us to work harder than other professors, those were really exhausting days (I had to order wrting assignments from OmniPapers , as it was impossible to complere all of the tasks) . But still it was really great experience, practice with foreign teachers gives huge motivation to learn language, to work harder.