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I came across Winston's materials and articles several years ago but didn't know about these forums. I found this forum a few months ago and thought why the heck not? Might as well join because I agree with most of Winston's views.
So to my background. I'm a 21 year old guy still in university. Women often say I am handsome, but unfortunately these are usually 28+ year olds or cougars. Clearly those women are lonely and want to trick some young guy like me into giving them dick.
Girls my age don't seem really into me. I'd be ok with the cougars if only they were my type but most of the time those women are just a bit too old for my taste or have faces that have clearly lost all their beauty. Yes I pay a lot of attention to a girl's face and physical beauty. I've gotten some compliments from girls my age but generally they were international exchange students that I met while I was at a top 10 university (these girls were from Europe) or girls from Europe that I met on pen pal sites. But I lack game and trying to date long distance just doesn't work.
And I guess I can see why most girls in America wouldn't like me -> they don't think I am tall enough or "alpha" enough. I am pretty muscular for my size at 5'6" and around 160 lbs of mostly muscle. I strength train and power lift mainly because I train Kyokushin Karate and fighting guys a lot bigger than you requires both speed and strength along with skill. I think I am stronger than most guys, being able to bench 95 lb dumbbells for at least 6 reps and deadlift 400+ lbs and being able to hold my own against 6'+ 230 lb fighters in full contact bare knuckle no protective gear fights. I've done ROTC training so I am no p***y and I at least have the honor to be willing to serve my country even if this country hates me for being an Asian male.
Why am I talking about this stuff? Well I am also a long time reader of JT Tran's stuff about inner game and outer game and whatnot. I don't lift weights or practice martial arts because I am trying to impress girls. That is for my own satisfaction and for self defense. But I had also hoped that as a side effect of being well rounded, it would help me have more passive attractive value to the better looking girls. This is because I am actually more of a "geek"/musician than I am a "jock," though I have always been enthusiastic about martial arts. Maybe girls don't think I have enough of the "swag" or douchebag attitude I see a lot of the skinhead types touting.
It seems that American girls are so hung up about height or perceive Asian men as weak, that even though I can hold my own and have beaten guys much bigger and taller than I am in a fight, I find that girls don't see me as dating material. That could also be due to my somewhat lone-wolf personality and cold attitude towards people (but what do you expect from me after years of being abused and hated simply for being an Asian guy). Race clearly has a lot to do with these dating trends, and this is affected by how Hollywood portrays certain races (like the completely negative portrayal of Asian men). Just reading all the studies such as the OK cupid study, national census data, and even stuff coming out of JT Tran's own research, it seems that things in the US are very stacked against Asian men. So even if I am something like a 6.5/10 here or 7.5/10 if you factor in all my talents and intelligence, I am only something like a 4/10 to most girls because American society artificially lowers my actual value. And this is a result of the stigma against Asian American men or against men who are not tall and their view that we are not manly enough no matter what. Also, talking to some people in the military, Hollywood is clearly a part of PsychOPs to dehumanize Chinese (Asians in general) to prep America for war against Asia in the future. I was going to go into intel so I am not bullshitting about this and my white captain (a very cool dude and very open minded compared to some of the skinhead-type white guys who often flock to enlist) had also advised me about the dangers of being an Asian guy in the military *cough Private Danny Chen cough*, though the Air Force is the most accepting and laid back of all branches.
The hostile political atmosphere against Asian men really does not help. Particularly cases such as Danny Chen (murdered and not a suicide is what I believe, and a repeat of Vincent Chin) and Lance Corporal Lew.... and to think I almost became an officer in the US military. I'm somewhat glad things did not work out that way, though I would still serve if I were able to just to prove that I have honor. Also the very overt anti-Chinese propaganda in the media. I'm not Chinese. I'm Japanese American and also part Manchu + Dutch. And most people would not think I am Chinese. But the thing is that when there is so much anti-Chinese sentiment it is bound to translate to anti-Asian sentiment. And I have found this to be the common opinion among people my age. Funnily, it is actually older people (31+) of non-Asian descent who seem less anti-Asian and less judgmental. This generation seems to be made up of racist skinheads who regularly visit stormfront or people who just stand on the sidelines as people gang up on one person just for being Asian or a hated minority. I really don't think staying in the US is a very good idea given this kind of hostile atmosphere. Dating is obviously shit for Asian American males unless you are armed with JT Tran's pickup game plans (and even those are only for short term relationships) or if you are lucky enough to live in California and have a large circle of open minded friends.
This is why I basically gave up on women for a while and I still don't really give a f**k about women at the moment. But if I am going to find a long term girlfriend or get married, I am definitely looking at Scandinavian girls or Eastern European girls.
Also, I love cold weather and climate and am very resistant to cold (thanks to Siberian, Hokkaido Japanese, and Dutch genes) so I think I would be a very good match for girls from Scandinavia or Russia.
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Move to Japan. To my knowledge, there are only two civilized cultures left in the world, Japanese and Orthodox Jewish. You are lucky to have some connection to one of these. America is a horrible moral cesspool. Get out.
Following the Old Testament, not evil modern culture
Why would I move to Japan if I am not attracted to full Asian girls? Like I said I am suitable for cold weather and I like Scandinavian/Eastern European girls. Hopefully I'll be able to find a Scandinavian girl one day. Maybe I can find a NE European girl and also move to Japan with her. Ha that would be the best of both worlds.
No I do not have ties with Japan. My family went to Manchuria and then to Taiwan before and during WWII and then to America. So we are already three generations removed from the generation that started out in Hokkaido. I only have very distant cousins in Japan that I have never met and whom my immediate family have never met either.
America is a cesspool. But morals is not the biggest problem. Racial hatred is the biggest. And oppression of blacks, hispanics, and Asians, particularly Asian men is the biggest issue. Everybody loves to deny that Asian men face any problem. Even Asian men themselves. Winston is one of the few along with JT Tran to recognize the issue, though each person goes about resolving it using different methods. Asian women have it good in the US. White guys and girls of course have it good in the US as they are the definition of the "in group." Black men are also part of the "in group." Asian men and black women are part of the "out group." Not sure where latinos and latinas fall but they generally also fall more in the "in group." Asian men are simply perpetual foreigners and always the enemies of the west/white people. This is particularly true in America. Hopefully Scandinavian countries are not like this. Anyways I urge my Asian American brothers to leave America en masse because clearly we are seen as subhumans here.
Also, I would hardly call orthodox jews "civilized." Jews are the ones who control Hollywood and are the biggest enemies of Asian men because they are the ones usually calling the shots to portray Asian men as subhuman, weaklings, worthless weakling nerds, asexual martial artists, completely unattractive and never getting the girl. All the jewish guys I have met in real life are total yellow fever-horny men who view Asian women as sex objects and villainize the Asian male. They are always overtly hostile towards me when I have done nothing except mind my own business. Then again most of the white Americans around here are like this. Glad I'm leaving this hick town for good. I notice these people being all hostile to other Asian dudes as well. Not to mention America's culture being built on hating Asian men.
Also, to Winston, if you see my post, definitely take a look at Ben Efsaneyim's blog and spread the word to all Asian males that America is their enemy and hates us and views us as subhuman. We would have better luck going to a country like Scandinavia or Europe or even Canada to look for girls.
Hopefully these articles written by Ben will help you understand why you had issues dating in the US aside from the most well known Anti-Asian male stereotypes and the rampant feminism and princess syndrome and entitlement/superiority complexes of American women. The point is that it is part of American culture and any anglo country (UK, Australia, New Zealand, USA, Canada) to hate Asian men and see us as subhuman.
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"The question is; can a legal case be made that individuals and companies in entertainment and media are committing hate crimes when they knowingly and deliberately racially bait, and mock Asians? If there is no one individual victim of media racism and the target is generalized and dispersed can a case be made that a crime is being committed that causes harm to Asians both as individuals and as a group?
Hate Crimes can encompass several things....
"Hate crime" generally refers to criminal acts that are seen to have been motivated by bias against one or more of the types above, or of their derivatives. Incidents may involve physical assault, damage to property, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse or insults, or offensive graffiti or letters (hate mail).
Of the above definition, bullying, harassment, verbal abuse, and insults, are all qualities that characterize media racism (be it demeaning stereotypes or one individual being racist). Bullying includes verbal harassment (celebs "ching-chonging", for example), but significantly it is a phenomenon that can exist between....
......social groups, social classes, and even between countries (see jingoism).
Bullying is the use of force or coercion to abuse or intimidate others. This media bullying through cultural expression can also easily be shown to bear characteristics of harassment.....
Harassment.......covers a wide range of behaviors of an offensive nature. It is commonly understood as behaviour intended to disturb or upset, and it is characteristically repetitive. In the legal sense, it is intentional behaviour which is found threatening or disturbing.
For example, repeated depictions of "Asian" characters whose main role in the dialogue of the production is to serve as the target of racialized jokes, or joke scenarios, that regurgitate racist stereotypes, as well as celebs or cultural figures mocking Asian accents, physical characteristics, mannerisms, or using known racial slurs, are all aspects of America's culture that resemble harassment. If an individual were to do these things in the real world (for example assuming the "character" of an Asian by imitating an accent, and using gestures to mimic racial characteristics) they could easily be charged with racial harassment. Demeaning characters in film and television that are used as a means to propagate demeaning stereotypes are simply elaborate forms of racial harassment.
Of course, the issue of verbal abuse and insults targeting Asians in the media are the most self-evident aspects of America's normalization of anti-Asian racism. For a society that is prone to deny the very existence of racism against Asians, the prevalence of racially based verbal abuse and insults from the media directed at Asian people is quite remarkable. Whether it be obvious abuse (like this), abuse disguised as a comedy routine, or craftily ambiguous, like the "chink in the armour" headlines used in association with Jeremy Lin, the verbal abuse of Asians by media figures betrays the depth of casual anti-Asian attitudes in American society.
Clearly, the way that Asians are represented in film and television, in the print media, spoken about by media figures, and in most areas of American cultural expression, exhibits many of the most heinous characteristics of racially biased hate crimes. In this light, to put forward the response of being "offended" seems a somewhat insufficient response to a profound culture of racial baiting. Simply being "offended" in some ways allows the magnitude of America's media hate to be diminished and enables perpetrators to avoid addressing the issues that propagates the culture of casual anti-Asian racism. For instance, if you are simply offended, then the response is to apologize - and this is what tends to happen. End of story. And the next week, another celeb, television show, or movie depiction, commits another hate-crime under the guise of creative freedom, free speech, or simply "jest". Proclaiming offence and demanding an apology has failed to change the culture of media prejudice against Asians - that is why we have just got to stop framing our concerns about media racism in this way. Instead, let's call it what it is - a hate crime and let's, furthermore, expect a more genuine response from the media than faux apologies."
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"Thus, stereotypical qualities like submissiveness, and emotional coldness serve to allow mainstream America to feel justified in its anti-Asian hostility - if you deny a deserved promotion to an Asian worker it's not because you don't like Asians but because (true to stereotype) they lack leadership qualities, or if you express racially inflected dislike of your Asian co-worker it's not racism because (true to stereotype) they are just cold and distant. The latter is even a justification for racial baiting because you are not actually being racist after all - your cold and distant Asian co-worker just needs to lighten up! Thus, casual anti-Asian racism has a socially legitimate and normalized avenue of expression.
This study adds another layer to this casual anti-Asian prejudice in that overcoming stereotypes is less about overcoming ignorance - if it was about ignorance then people wouldn't have a problem with Asians with warm personalities - and is more about overcoming the apparently overwhelming desire of American society (and the individuals who comprise it) to maintain their anti-Asian hostility. They just don't want to let go of their anti-Asian racism. Why else would the normally strongly desired qualities of human warmth and strong personality cause white Americans to increase the expression of their hostility towards Asian people? "
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"This means that institutional prejudice may have diminished, but personal dislike as fostered by American culture, continues unabated. Thus the paradox; legislation to combat institutional racism is off-set by a private sector propagation of anti-Asian MALE hostility as a matter of personal taste. Often the result is the same - the promotion that never comes through, the pay-raise that never materializes, the unsuccessful job interviews of a highly qualified applicant, violent beating, or even a failed college application, all of which depend on the personal tastes of an individual from the mainstream who has been conditioned by his culture to dislike Asians. This normalization of anti-Asian attitudes manifests in other ways too; blasÃ© declarations of distaste, casual harassment, and racially inflected mockery have become accepted ways of interacting with Asian people as modeled by glamourous celebrities, or on-the-make politicians, via the platform of popular culture."
Welcome to the forum, lone_yakuza! Since you're not attracted to Asian girls, how about moving to some place like Germany? I heard European girls are much more receptive to Asian men than the Anglo countries (U.S./Canadian/Australian, etc.). Also, why not think about moving back to Asia? I'm trying to do that as we speak. Actually, in Asia nowadays, there are a lot of White women living and working in Asia. There's also a sizable Black and Indian population throughout Asia in places like Singapore, Malaysia and Thailand.
Even in South Korea, I was shocked to see so many foreigners in the country. I saw some Korean men with all kinds of women Black, White, or whatever. So, don't automatically leave out Japan or other Asian country off your itinerary.
Welcome to active posting. Like the name.
I just posted about this phenomenon on another thread. You don't get to complain about racism if you refuse to conform. Forget about LOOKING different - you admit you are ACTING different. That's your choice. But my suggestion to anyone without great people skills - if they don't want to work in sales - is to take some acting classes. Or any kind of public performance. Americans are the best marketers and the best actors in the world. It is a skill that can be learned. A little will go a long way. I know from experience.
And - you're a musician??! Jeez get out there and perform, you will have no problem with chicks. And aloof-game will actually work in that setting.
Finland or Estonia or Russian Lapland (Karelia).
The people look White, and theirs is a more-or-less White culture, but with some of those Finno-Ugric roots. Folks there are aware of the reindeer-herding roots. Might be a nice fit with Hokkaido/White mix. And plenty of snow too. I think Hokkaido is nuts for same hot-springs-in-cold-weather kind of extremes that they are.
I would guess that Finland is probably the best place to get in and actually find work. f***ing hard language to learn, but that's good, keeps most of us out. Good place to live.
Russian Far East might be an interesting place as well. Lots of Whites, but they see some Asian faces. Fear Chinese a little, but respect Japanese - I think.
I am speaking without experience, I have only met people from these countries. Hopefully Ladislav or someone will chime in. Ladislav probably knows which sections of Ukraine and Russia and EE are most open to Asian-looking people. He has probably posted on this already. But lots of folks there do have Mongol or Tatar blood, etc. The mixed-White girls in Ukraine sure look good to me!
PS - Guys - who was the Korean-Am member here who was treking from Vladivostok to Mongolia? He was posting some great stuff that might be of interest to this guy.
There are quite a few forum members here who are Asian-American male university students in their early 20's, including Dragon and me. I'm sure you'll find a lot of great resources and make a lot of great friends here.
I wanna crack a joke about the new movie called "The Dragon Falcon Yakuza Triad", but someone is gonna say I'm stereotypin'...
Actually I became a lone wolf and developed the cold/aloof personality BECAUSE of the way I have been treated since pre-school. Thus I have very little incentive to want to be friends with Americans in general, especially because of the repeated bad experiences.
If you continue to burn your hand by sticking it into the fire are you going to stick your hand into the fire again? No.
I actually don't have many issues getting along with gym buddies and "brahs" but it's kind of obvious that most of those people do not want an Asian guy as part of their social circle even though I am pretty "whitewashed." And they will always make snide comments about Asians being this or that like Asians being bad drivers, eating dogs, small dick, and other racist ass stereotypes. So clearly they are racist and just don't have the balls to say anything outrageous because they know I could beat them into a pulp.
So I have every right to complain because I spent a significant chunk of my teenage years "trying to conform."
BTW I am a pretty good actor when I choose to be. I am able to charm or at least dispel some of the hate even when talking to some pretty hardcore prejudiced or racist people. But damn does that take a lot of energy. I just try not bothering with it too much anymore.
I don't think that bodybuilding/lifting/martial arts is anything out of the ordinary and I get along with the people at the gym or martial arts place just fine. The issue is that these people give off the vibe that they don't want to be anything more than an acquaintance or have their own cliques. This could be due to familiarity issues or they are like the other people I have met and do not really view Asian men as humans.
Well the people looking white is not an issue.
I mean I like white people. Lol I love white girls. Except the racist white ignorant AMERICANS.
Maybe I don't come off that way because I am ragging on the "white" American racists. But I also dislike racists of other races just as much and that includes racist or self-hating Asian Americans and Asians.
If you are a non-racist white American who recognizes the struggles of Asian American men, I have no issue with you and would probably be a pretty good friend.
The places you are talking about are all places that I would definitely like to visit someday and perhaps move there if I can find a job. I guess the issue would then be to learn the languages.
As I said earlier I'm not Chinese and am Hokkaido Japanese, Manchu, and Dutch.... and of course American, but I do speak Mandarin fluently. However, China is definitely not somewhere I want to live or even travel to because of their disgustingly polluted environment.
Maybe I can become a translator or something in the Russian far east -> Russian to Chinese and vice versa. It might also help that my first language is American English. Unfortunately I get hostility from Chinese sometimes. Who knows. I have to look into it. Hopefully the Russians in the far east are into bodybuilding and martial arts as those in the Russian west are. I don't think I can go somewhere without a gym or at least a home gym with dumbbells and whatnot. Those are two major passions of my life that I could never give up.
Anyways thanks for the info and GL with your goals, whatever they are!
Lol. I don't see anything negative and it's not making the Asian dude the villain or whatever. Ok well yakuza and triads are still villains but hey.. at least we look cool doing it and do get girls (hopefully). I'm ok with stereotypes if they aren't demeaning and are positive. Still stereotypes but *shrug*. I'd much rather be called "yakuza" than "ching chong nerd boy."
Yeha I figured that this site might have some other AA males of the early 20s demographics cause after all Winston is an Asian dude. Lol. I think Ima take a look at your threads. Seem interesting.
The Falcon will take over Latin America.
The Dragon will take over Southeast Asia.
The Yakuza will take over Eastern Europe.
Getting closer and closer to an NWO.
I understand your feeling because me personally, I also have no interest in asian girls either. Years ago I did but I no longer have an interest. An asian girl can be a perfect 10 and interested in me and I would actually deny having a relationship. I might just have sex with her but that's it. I just have no interest in them at all, no attraction for some reason. I agree that it is a little harder for asian guys that have interest in non asian women. I'm half asian half european but I'm usually still classified as "asian" to people mainly due to my eyes I believe. I think Europe would definitely be a better place for you though. I'm planning on my first trip to Europe in Spring so hopefully I'll be able to report some good news when I get back.
I see someone is asking to be drowned in a bath tub full of soy sauce.
I am a terrible person.
While Asian men are portrayed as being less "manly" I think the overall problem is not that you're Asian but rather that you're short. I know Asian men who are over 6 feet tall and they have greater dating success in the United States than I ever did (I'm white, the supposed "dominant race" but because I'm only 5'9 many women refused to date me and even told me it was due to not being tall). Despite them being Asian and me being white, they still had greater dating success simply because they were taller; height is what matters most to American women, more than "confidence" and "sense of humor" and all that other stuff they claim to care about but really don't.
I am a Marine Corps veteran and I saw absolutely no anti-Asian sentiment when I was in the service. I'm not saying it doesn't happen but I think the Daniel Chen incident was a rare example of racism in the military that completely ignores the thousands of other Asian troops in the US military who never experienced what he did. Exceptions do not make a rule.
I have a different take on this.
For me, the problem was neither racism nor height. I stay out of the whole "racism against Asian-American males" issue, and am neutral about it. Sure, it does exist to some extent and floats around many Americans' subconscious minds, but I have not experienced overt racism that would have affected my dating and ability to socialize / make friends. In California, most AA men are still mostly dating AA women, despite all the talk about the "white male - Asian female" trend.
Also, I stand at 6' 0".
The problems were:
(1) Fitting into mainstream American youth culture
(2) The ridiculous dating scene, as experienced by those of nearly all races, backgrounds, personalities, and looks
(3) Not being a typical Asian American
As I've said in other threads, I have had the worst experiences with Asian-American girls. It was especially bad in high school. White and black American women have in fact been much more friendly and open with me than the Asian-American ones have. Some Asian-American women tend to be cold, disinterested, and unfriendly with me. Many others are quite friendly too, but would display no romantic interest at all; trying to initiate courtship with them often turns out to be disastrous. This could because I'm a very atypical Asian-American guy, and that I'm just too different for most Asian-American women:
- Narrow-mindedness: They tend to believe that a prestigious degree and job should be the goals of life, whereas I don't.
- Cliquishness: They stick to their own so-called "Asian" cliques that are highly judgmental of outsiders.
- Conformism: They tend to adhere closely to upper-middle-class Anglo-American ideals. The media plays a big role: they are glued to mainstream American music, TV shows, and other mass-produced junk.
- Incompetency of or dislike for their heritage culture and language: I am fluent in Mandarin Chinese, and many of them are not. Many would be very annoyed whenever I would speak Chinese to them, despite their claiming to be this "AZN" identity.
What I've noticed is that most Asian Americans in California like to date others who are very similar to them, and I am not quite similar to them. I always stand out among Asian Americans as an interesting character who is fun to talk to and to be friends with. But they would always slot me into the "friend zone," whereas this is not the case in China and Mexico. Asian Americans, and even their parents, often tell me how I'm so different from the rest of them. But with non-Asians, they hardly ever bring this up in ways that are subtly negative.
Yeah I'd agree that height is a big factor in American women being choosy. I guess I can't really blame them because Americans.... and well actually everybody values height in males a lot despite the fact that it is not that big of an advantage in terms of being able to protect a mate.
I'm ok with my height and I think it can actually be advantageous in projectile warfare in that being more compact means you can get into cover more easily, are a bit more coordinated and have more agility, harder to spot (depending on how close the fighting is), and if you lack supplies, you can still run a full gas tank while the very big, tall guy is going to be half-starving and not at his best.
Taller/bigger overall with more muscle mass is definitely more advantageous when we are talking about hard-style martial arts and close-quarter's fighting but I think that is also because most MMA and martial arts tournament organizations outlaw things such as knee stamps/breaking, trips, groin kicking, certain judo throws, toe stamps, joint locks, etc. (and for good reason because those things are not fun) -> techniques where a skilled, strong shorter guy would have a big advantage.
I'm not saying that the entire military is completely racist. It is actually probably more fair overall than many private sectors of the USA because it was the first to "integrate" and gives a fair chance to pretty much everybody.
And the private sectors/companies are be quite racist because the people in management have harbored those feelings for a long time and passed it to their kids and believe in a lot of the propaganda coming from hollywood.
I believe it is mainly those who come from very uneducated backgrounds and are ignorant, who tend to act that way (want to beat up or haze East Asians or minorities that have had propaganda pointed at them). And these uneducated people or people who come from racist backgrounds (whether they be linked to KKK or Nation of Islam or to whatever other hate group), make a bad name when they start bullying other soldiers.
Also, unfortunately, most enlisted soldiers tend to come from poorly educated backgrounds and thus harbor the same kind of racial hatred because of Hollywood's incessant portrayal of Asian men as The Enemy, villain, dickless nerd, asexual martial artist that gets beaten up by a white guy and his girl taken from him, or the Asian male is simply never present in mainstream media. And media has a very profound affect on society, especially psychologically. If you have been in PsychOps, studied intelligence, or participated in any kind of psychological warfare involving propaganda, I think you would know about what I am writing (such as dehumanization of Japanese and to an extent, Germans, in WWII cartoons and movies, dehumanization of Koreans (not sure how that worked exactly) in the Korean war, dehumanization of Vietnamese, etc.).
But what happens when your brother in arms looks like these people that your country and everyone around you is dehumanizing, especially when he is of a minority race (such as an East Asian that you have rarely come in contact with in your personal life)?
I think that most uneducated people and even educated people will begin viewing them with less respect simply because of the military's emphasis on conformity and the effectiveness of such dehumanizing language/warfare-propaganda strategy. Hollywood and American popular culture has been pretty much anti-Asian male since the first Asians set foot on US soil en-masse in the early 1800s. So it would not be surprising that most Americans view us with contempt.
From the opposing side, the same thing happened in WWII with the way the Japanese used propaganda to dehumanize Chinese and Koreans (though with the Koreans, it had to do with them being a colony). My grandfather saw it first hand and saw how many of his fellow officers would abuse Korean-Japanese soldiers (Koreans who had gone to Japan to live aka Zainichi). Obviously he did not agree with his fellow officers.
Anyways, I don't think dehumanization is a good thing because it lets people get away with killing people without realizing what they are actually doing, which is taking the life of a human being who was probably loved dearly by a wife, father/mother, girlfriend, sister, etc. When you take a life, I believe you need to realize the full ramifications of what you are doing and to be able to come to terms with that. Otherwise you are weak minded and your cause for war may not be justified. Of course, killing and war is necessary in many cases, but it shouldn't be done based on some feeling of racial hatred or some need for revenge when your target is not even those who wronged you in the first place. I think that it is really only justified when it is CLEAR that you and your "people" have been wronged by a certain other people or nation or organization. So going after Al Qaeda was completely justified. I'm not so sure about going into Iraq.
While in ROTC, my Caucasian Air Force ROTC Captain pulled me aside one day to tell me about being careful when I got to field training and whatnot.... because I stand out as an Asian, along with my name. The military wants conformity so anything that doesn't conform with the norm is usually singled out and they give you a hard time. Yes you do need a thick skin to survive in the military and honestly I probably don't have the thickest skin, but my skin is kind of rubbery so most unwelcome insults just bounce off.
But if I had to deal with a constant barrage of dehumanizing language like being called "dragon lady" or some stupid shit, I mighta punched the lights out of the perpetrators. Or if I had succeeded in becoming an officer I might have abused my position's power to make some of those bullies completely miserable, which is not really professional behavior, though justified in my opinion, as bullying and hazing only creates more cracks in units and makes it less of an effective fighting force.... unit cohesion and harmony should be paramount. I mean brothers in arms really shouldn't be calling each other demeaning names or making somebody feel less than human. Not sure a white guy would appreciate being called cracker, redneck horse-dick sucker, inbred, animal lover or some other demeaning, completely stereotypical and false language, and then made to eat sand. If they want to haze each other with rigorous and taxing physical training like running 5 miles non stop carrying 60 lbs each and to make sure nobody lags behind or something... that would be a pretty cool way to build comradery.
Joking/poking fun and pure racism/dehumanizing language have a clear line that separates them. A non-Asian calling an Asian dude gook, chink, sucky sucky long time, dragon lady, ladyboy, chinkeye, slant-eyed gook, sand monkey, towelhead, raghead, stinky curry, etc. crosses that line. Because that is the same dehumanizing language the military used/uses back when waging war against East Asians and SE Asians, and also uses in the present while going into the middle east (towelhead, raghead).
I'd much rather be called lazyass, dumbfuck, retard, etc. than those race-based dehumanizing terms that have historical context that is not pleasant, because at least with words like lazyass they might be pointing out a personality flaw that I have that I should be correcting so that I can better serve the military. Calling enemy soldiers bad names is justified because they are trying to kill you. Calling a brother in arms who happens to be Asian those dehumanizing terms would probably turn HIM into an enemy. Not sure that's a good thing for the unit. I mean if I were surrounded on all sides by "comrades' who made it clear they do not view me as human and view me as expendable... I'm not sure I would remain loyal for long, no matter how much loyalty I have for my country, because that is a situation of life or death at the hands of your supposed "comrades" and "brothers in arms."
Of course, the Air Force is the nicest branch out of them all and the most laid back, so my Captain told me that I shouldn't have too many issues if any at all. My captain also pulled aside a few other GMC students and some POC candidates of East Asian descent to have a similar talk. He did so because he told me (and them) he had had some Asian (not sure if it was East Asian or Indian) guy under his supervision kill himself due to a combination of stress and most likely similar race-based bullying. Anyways, I wanted to say this to let you know that I'm not trying to villainize all military members or caucasian peoples in the military, afterall my captain was a very good-hearted, responsible, strong, and good example of a caucasian guy who does his best to live up to the uniform and there are plenty of racists of all other colors besides white.
It is unfortunate that the political climate at present seems so anti-Chinese, and thus anti-Asian, as most Americans cannot distinguish between different Asian ethnicities, nor do they want to... because to them we are just a mass of evil Asians here to steal jobs or stealing jobs in Asia or planning on invading and subverting this country, even if some/most of us would willingly give up our lives to protect the ideas of liberty and democracy, which unfortunately are empty words now.
The new remake of Red Dawn will undoubtedly sow the seeds of anti-Asian sentiment. It was actually supposed to have Chinese villains but they changed it to North Korean villains in the end. While they do have an Asian American vet appear extremely briefly (Ken Choi), the main characters who survive to the end are all white (all the non-white characters die). That's not a very good political message. It would have been wise to include an Asian American male as a lead character fighting for the country loyally so that Americans don't think we are like the invaders and that there are loyal Asian Americans like the 442nd who fought for America despite the fact that their families were in concentration camps just for being Japanese descent. But with the current storyline, it seems almost as if they are trying to paint Asians as the enemy... which would be in line with the current anti-Asian political climate. As I said before, Americans can't distinguish between Asian ethnicities so the change from Chinese to North Korean would not do any good because to most Americans we are the yellow peril horde no matter what ethnicity we are -> we are seen as the "other."
It is also somewhat ironic because the only thing Asians have ever done in the USA has been to get lynched for being Asian in the 1800s, to be massacred or to have had their towns burned down (various Chinatowns burned down, massacres of Chinese Americans, etc.), to be sent to concentration camps (Japanese Americans), and to never get justice for hate crimes (Vincent Chin). I'm just surprised that Vietnam or China or even Japan has not created their own version of Red Dawn because in the 1800s to early 1900s, western Imperialist powers did a TON of bullying of E Asia, invaded E and SE Asia, set up colonies, and pillaged and raped and stole.
Maybe my thinking is different from the military's as a whole in that we should view our enemies as humans, to respect them, to realize that we are killing people with feelings, with families, with children, with girlfriends, etc. but to also realize that the reason they must die is because of some justified reason... such as the killing being necessary to protect our country or "democracy" or "freedom".
But I also see no justified reason to be killing people in the middle east right now because none of those countries are a real threat to the US, Iraq did not actually have WMDs, and none of them are really threatening freedom or democracy here in the West, and thus the large scale deployment of troops is only getting lots of Americans killed for very little reason, maybe I am wrong, I'm just stating my opinion based on various sources I have read). Also, the need for pre-emptive strikes and the need to maintain the world wide US military base system (basically an Imperial/Empire setup) is taxing, and I am not sure it is worth it.... the main use of the military should be to defend and to strike if there is an actual, real threat.... not to pre-emptively strike, waste resources, and force your ideals on another, thus creating more resentment, more backlash, and more hatred for yourself and your country. That is counterproductive and will only lead to more people around the world disliking the USA. The Roman Empire didn't learn that lesson until it was too late.
Although you can tell that I am clearly disgusted by this country, by it's politics, by its dehumanization of Asians, and it's social atmosphere. I still respect vets, so you have my respect, sir. Maybe our ideals differ and are fundamentally different, but I can still respect the fact that you took the time and sacrificed personal freedoms to serve the country and to protect it for whatever reasons you believed in, as that is the duty of every loyal citizen, in my opinion.
Maybe I am not a good example of a loyal citizen, but I think my ideas are justified given the volatile and hostile political atmosphere (towards people who look like me), and I would rather not be shot/have a 35 lb rock thrown at me by some ignorant comrade in arms who thinks I'm a traitor or something, just because my eyes are not round and big or just because of some retarded physical difference. I've dealt with too many instance where my race has caused negative interactions and have been in several fights revolving around the fact that the people didn't like the fact that I was an Asian.... Maybe I have been unlucky in my life and simply attract bad people. I can't really say. And the current anti-Asian political atmosphere is another deterrent -> Mitt Romney's Ad about Asians stealing jobs........ I don't wanna be another Vincent Chin.
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