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14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby lfm » Sun Jan 04, 2015 5:05 am

hello every one my name is lucas and im gonna get strait to the point, recently i have had an awakening to how much i dislike american society. origanally i had been dealing with depression and the social enviornment in my highschool.but like i said After watching some of winstons video's and being shocked by how much i agreed with him and his veiws. but I guess where im stuck in life now is where do i go from here with out falling back of the rut of societys bull shit.sorry for bad grammer and if i sounded rude i could really use some insight right now. :)
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Re: 14 year old fed up with american society advice welcome

Postby fschmidt » Sun Jan 04, 2015 9:24 am

Read old books. Not history books which are boring and full of lies, but original writing from the past. Here are some examples:

http://www.amazon.com/March-Country-Translation-Xenophons-Paperbacks/dp/0472060953/
http://www.amazon.com/Conquest-New-Spain-Classics-ebook/dp/B002RI9X6U/

The point is to expand your mind and see that people weren't always so worthless as they are now. When you get older, you can travel. But reading old books is a lot like traveling.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Wolfeye » Sun Jan 04, 2015 12:55 pm

Don't know what you're looking for, specifically.

If you're looking to move, I'd DEFINITELY get started on learning new languages now. It's not like there's a shortage of books on it, but I'd definitely suggest The Quick & Dirty Guide To Learning Languages Quickly by A.G. Hawke (it's actually that Mykel Hawke guy that was on a couple of those survival shows). It's a book that gives you a plan to gain basic fluency (meaning you can get by & then learn more from there) pretty quickly. You'll need other stuff to actually learn whatever specific language (ex: Spanish-English dictionary, beginner's grammer, etc...). I wish I had had these books when I was in school, because you don't learn enough to get by from what you get taught in school.

Philosophically, there's a couple of good books (they deal both in history & the assessments of reality): How It Is by Cordova, Indigineous Knowledge by Pierotti, Wisdom of the Native Americans by Kent Nerburn, and Narcissism Epidemic by Twenge & Campbell. The last one is about more recent stuff, but the first three are a bit broader.

Also, there's Europe's Promise by Steven Hill. I just started reading that, but it seems good.

Do other shit than what the surrounding society is doing. Workout, learn & practice doing things for yourself, improve your language abilities, and don't get "cultural diabetes." I don't exactly know how to phrase it, but I mean how things are sweet, but dissolve you. Focusing on celebrity bullshit to the extent of not being knowledgeable of current events, being fashionably stupid to better blend with the crowd, pretending not to care about things to better blend with the crowd- generally, not following the "herd" off a cliff. I've said for years that there's no "I told you so at the bottom of the cliff," and it's getting to apply more & more broadly. Don't know how, don't know why, but it's like a cultural version of burning the house down to make it bigger.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Jester » Sun Jan 04, 2015 2:26 pm

Wolfeye wrote:
If you're looking to move, I'd DEFINITELY get started on learning new languages now.



Try to get overseas while still school-age.

If you can become an exchange student while in high school, that would be ideal.

Pick a language your school offers, become proficient, and befriend the teacher. You'll need him or her to recommend you as an exchange student.

Then when its time for college, attend it overseas, in your chosen country. There will be local job opportunities when you graduate, and with a job you can get residence visa and work permit.

Also start getting proficient in a technical subject, such as agriculture or electricity. They don't need American liberal arts grads overseas.

If you're not a college type, learn a technical trade in a vocational high school. Refuse to go to a regular high school. Welding is hot right now, and has specialties like decorative welding or underwater welding that pay well. Electricians are in demand and always will be. Anything you don't see a lot of Mexicans doing is good. I.e., if you become a roofer or bricklayer or carpenter, that wont help you get overseas, they have plenty of those already.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Wolfeye » Sun Jan 04, 2015 8:31 pm

Jester: Actually, I remember a thing about bricklayers making good money in Europe & builders being in high demand (that was in Spain & somewhere else that I can't remember). I've also heard of getting a job where you do stuff like build houses in other countries, but you are set up there by the company (at the very least the job is there, not sure about room & board). I guess it could be a company with branch offices, but I think it was something different.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Ghost » Mon Jan 05, 2015 3:21 am

OP, in addition to the great advice offered already, the main thing I would like to iterate is to use your time wisely. I know if I could return to being younger, there is so much I would do. And then I'd look back by 25 or 30 and see how much I had accomplished. You've got time and energy. Find out what really matters to you and what you really care about. And work on your general knowledge that will help you as well: books, languages, history. Get a good grounding in good values to bolster yourself. The world has a way of breaking down good people, so be careful of that.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Wolfeye » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:23 am

You know, it's the damnest thing: I was just thinking about America being a "melting pot," and it seems to be true- just not in the way people tend to think. If one were to look at it in the sense of: whatever the shape of the metal, the influence is to break it down- I think that is pretty accurate.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby MrMan » Mon Jan 05, 2015 8:36 am

My advice would be to take things you read on forums like this with a grain of salt. Don't get too jaded about your own school or culture from reading websites like this. Lot's of men on the manosphere and forums like this have a jaded view of women. Sure, there are problems. Divorce rates are high. It's hard to find a decent woman. Maybe 50% of marriages end in divorce, but that means the other half don't end in divorce. So it's possible to find a good woman, etc. Don't believe the overgeneralizations. That's just an example, probably not your real concern at 14. You probably won't be looking for a wife for another 8 to 15 years or so, so you don't need to be concerned about girls right now.

Most 14-year-olds probably feel like most people are anti-social from time to time. In high school, a small percentage of kids are popular, and most kids are really self conscious. Kids tease each other and give each other a hard time. It can be hard to make friends at times. But stick with it and try to make friends with decent kids, whether or not they are popular. Enjoy your time there, make good relationships, and don't believe everything you read.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Jester » Mon Jan 05, 2015 5:51 pm

Wolfeye wrote:Jester: Actually, I remember a thing about bricklayers making good money in Europe & builders being in high demand (that was in Spain & somewhere else that I can't remember).


Good info, makes sense in White (spoiled) countries.

I was thinking of Mexico of course, where we have PLENTY of manual labor available cheap. I HAVE heard of a rich gringo bringing in a contractor from El Norte to build an American-quality house, but that was a fluke.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Wolfeye » Mon Jan 05, 2015 7:36 pm

Well, a possible posititve of living in one of those other countries is that people can do things for themselves & probably wouldn't begrude you for having that ability- plus, most likely a lower overhead.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Jester » Wed Jan 07, 2015 5:43 pm

Wolfeye wrote:Well, a possible posititve of living in one of those other countries is that people can do things for themselves & probably wouldn't begrude you for having that ability- plus, most likely a lower overhead.


Lower overhead, TRUE. If you can do it, noone cares if you have a nice storefront.

But they DO begrudge you in brown countries. If you have no work permit, and are in a visible, public, retail location, you might get reported for illegal work, by a local perhaps, or more likely by a priggish, self-righteous gringo retiree.

For working in a blue-collar line with no hassles, I suspect White countries would be better. My brother for example did casual labor in the Netherlands and waited tables in Greece.
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby Wolfeye » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:46 pm

Well, yeah. If you're a white guy & you're in a white country, of course you'll blend in better & probably get less hassle. If I were going to live illegaly in Italy or in Mexico, I think I'd have better chances in Italy. You don't stand out too much & then don't get questions because of that (unless it's a place where they're fond of breaking people's balls). I don't particularly like how a white guy (at least up here) has to have all kinds of qualifications & prior experience, whereas latinos don't always have to even speak English.

It's very annoying that you either need to have experience (that's, apparently, supposed to magically appear), a massive amount of schooling & certification (which you don't need as much of to actually do the job- I think it's just that they want to employ someone that's got a lot of debt to worry about, so they'll stay there even if they get more than their job description in workload with less pay or time off & the ego-trip of "this is such high-level shit, only the elite could possibly do it"), or that they're illegal immigrants (or, at the very least, someone that seems like they'd be easy to screw over).
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Re: 14 year old fed up with American society, advice welcome

Postby onethousandknives » Fri Jan 16, 2015 10:42 pm

Hi, sometime in high school was when I first saw Winston's website as well. I didn't have power to change a lot of my situation in high school, though, but as I got into my 20s I had more power to do so, and did.

So if you're 14 now, it's not too likely you'll be going abroad soon, but you have to build the foundation now so you can escape, as I'm in the situation of not having a big foundation built from spending my high school years in nihilism due to everything around me.

Basically, English teaching is one of the most in demand jobs abroad, opportunities are less than years ago, but it's still one of the better options for employment abroad. English teaching needs usually at least an associates degree. So here's what I would recommend to do to get a really big head start so you can really hit the ground running at 18-20 years old. You said you don't like high school, but there is a potential way out of it. The GED test. The GED test isn't very hard, it's about 8th grade level, and for math maxes out at prealgebra, and has an essay, etc. It's not ridiculously hard. If you go to the store or even a library, pick up a GED test prep book and take the practice tests. Keep practicing until you get good scores. In my state, the actual GED was easier than the practice tests. The problem you have for the GED is most state high school drop out laws are a lot stricter nowadays. You can't legally drop out of high school in some states until 18 years old. But the GED generally needs to be taken after dropping out of high school, sometimes for X number of months. So, this might not work depending on your state and your parent's views, but if you can drop out and take the GED, you're out. I graduated a year ahead of my class in high school due to taking a GED like this, when in high school I was "scheduled" to be on the "super senior" (5 year) track. It's a very different track, but if you take the initiative and study hard and start getting really good scores on the practice tests, polish up your grammar/etc for the essay, I think it's pretty conceivable for a person of average intelligence to pass it with 6 months of studying. But unlike high school, if you work harder, you do get more results, in this case a diploma and leaving high school. So if high school is very problematic for you, and you can convince your parents of this option, do it!

An optional thing is taking the SAT, study hard for that, and just keep the score on record. It's not NEEDED for community college, but it's probably better to have a good SAT score than not for future college opportunities.

But after your GED is taken, you're eligible to go to community college. Also, I think even without taking the GED, you're eligible for CLEP and DSST tests, which are able to be used at lots of schools for college credit, and you can take these tests while still in high school. They're $80 a piece plus admin costs ($50 where I live for the testing center...) Take a look at College Board's website and see what tests are worth whatever number of credits. Generally 60 credits are needed for an associate's degree. So if you can accumulate 60 credits (most tests are 3 credits a piece) and then transfer them to a correspondence school like Thomas Edison College, maybe take a few online classes, you have a degree relatively instantly. But even many state colleges will take the CLEP tests and give you credits for them, so if you wish to go to a state college and get a degree from there, you can do it.

Then after you get your associates (or Bachelors,) you can get a TEFL (Teach English as a Foreign Language) certificate and be able to teach English in another country and meet most countries requirements for English teachers. So since you're 14 now, you can have a head start on this, instead of starting at 18-19, or later (like me) you can start now and be ready to go. And worst case scenario if you decide to change life paths or whatever, hey, you got a college degree at 18. So nothing's lost by doing this.

I only say all this as this is what I wish I could have done at your age. The problem at 14 is your life is still mostly in other people's hands. So your job would be convincing them to help you in your endeavours. Which.... is hard. But even if you cannot convince people to help you in this way, ie, getting ahead in school and college early, try the best you can to remember that what you're going through is temporary. It's all an illusion, every bit of what you see in your teenage world. It's not real. It will come to pass. So like a prisoner, while you're in prison, you can either try the best you can to do constructive things with your time, do nothing at all, or worse, get involved in the internal affairs of the prison, get in petty fights, gangs, etc, apply this to high school and do you get it? So now, you got 4 years to use. You have limited agency in those 4 years, but you do have 4 years until your high school sentence is up. So use those 4 years in as positive a manner as possible.

Besides the formal educational opportunities through testing, what I suggest is, learn to do as much stuff as possible. Learn to cook, learn to work on bikes, cars, anything. Learn, learn, learn. Build things. Even building something simple like a bird house or model kit or whatever is enough to satisfy the mind and make you happier. Also, you're in the prime years of your life for doing athletic things. High school is all about team sports, obviously. But if you're not a "team player" there's a lot of individual athletic sports you can do. Fencing, gymnastics, ice skating, ballroom dance, martial arts, weightlifting. Even if you just go for a walk or ride your bike on a daily (or almost daily basis) you're much better off doing that than spending the time alone on the computer or video games excessively. But building up a good athletic body and physique will help you a lot, so try to do something during these years, as your current years you can make some of the biggest amounts of progress in a sport and it's much harder to make that later in life. Besides athletic things, try to have a good diet, too. This is super hard at your age, as your parents (or in my case, single parent after divorce) buy your food, so if you're stuck with frozen pizza and spaghetti-os, this will vastly negatively affect your physical and mental state. But eventually, any small amounts of money I got from my mother, I'd actually walk to a grocery store and buy and learn to cook food. So if you can learn to cook now if your parents don't, ask them say, for $10-20 a week for your own food you cook yourself, you'll be a lot better off, too.

And yeah, if you do plan to go abroad, do try to learn the language of the place you're going now. It's much easier to learn languages now compared to when I was your age almost 10 years ago, so many more internet resources and programs exist now, also again, you're younger, so it's in general easier to learn things.

Anyway, I wish you luck and will pray for you. Sorry for a long lecture, just whatever you do, don't give up hope. Eventually you'll get your own agency and be able to make your own decisions. Don't become nihilistic, and don't try to conform with this culture, or subculture of it, as I did at your age, just remember your situation is only temporary, with high school and the craziness involved in it. So even if you have the power to change nothing at all, don't give up hope in that regard. It will end eventually, then you can follow your dreams and get out (hopefully, unless passports get revoked or something crazy like that happens.) Just for now try to use your time in the most positive manner possible and just remember it will eventually end.
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