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Postby MrPeabody » Tue May 18, 2010 2:10 am

Winston - you have turned multiple somersaults and bent over backwards to be fair to this guy. The fact that he is irritated with you should tell you something. A truly spiritual person wouldn’t be perturbed for even a second. I am sure his gullible European fans are experts at detecting a real Hollywood Indian. In contrast, I grew up with real Indians.
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WTF Is Widely Regarded as a Fraud

Postby educatedindian » Tue May 18, 2010 2:15 pm

Hello, I'm one of the moderators at a forum called NAFPS, New Age Frauds and Plastic Shamans. We are an organization of Natives and non-Natives dedicated to warning the public about imposters and exploiters who pose as Native healers and medicine people.

WTF (real name unknown) is one such person. We have several threads gathering information on him, including firsthand accounts where actual Natives have confronted him.

http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=1242.0
http://www.newagefraud.org/smf/index.php?topic=406.0

Start with the obvious:

His name is not an Apache name. It's a white New Age imitation of what he thinks Native names are like.

Nothing he teaches has anything to do with Apache traditions. It's all white New Age imitations of what he thinks Natives are like.

Most of what he teaches is so obviously not Native, I seriously wonder how anyone could fall for it.

Come on, he claims TAROT CARDS are Native. He claims EXORCISMS are Native. Obviously both of those are from Europe.

He also does a scam called psychic surgery, where bits of blood andf skin are palmed and passed off as being tumors from the body taken out "psychically." The scam is of Filipino origin, BTW. It's not a Native practice at all.

And all the hokey, cornballl, Franklin Mint imitations of Indian traditions just make actual Indians laugh. Indians don't talk or act like a bad Dances With Wolves imitation.

I wrote to all five Apache band govts. None of them confirm he is Apache, and one, the Yavapai Apache, specifically denounced his exploitation of the sweatlodge as dangerous.

People do die in phony versions of sweatlodges. It's taking an incredible risk to go in one run by an imposter like WTF.

There are also other dangers one could be exposed to from him, outside of STDs. WTF has been chased out of Australia for failure to pay taxes. There is also a local flute maker he stole two flutes from.

And finally there is his abusive treatment of women. An actual Native healer would not chase after every skirt in sight. Not that there's anything against healthy sex, but it certainly shows his priorities are those of a teenaged boy and not a mature man. No one in the Native community would accept such a frivolous person as a healer.

To the moderator, Winston, it seems he is taking advantage of your trusting nature. I for one would like to see the comments that were deleted. I know from experience that many survivors of New Age abuse feel the need for anonymity. It's quite common for such scam operators to use threats. You demanding that people criticizing WTF go public is akin to demanding rape victims go public and open themselves up to similar scorn and attacks upon their person.

ETA: I received an unconfirmed report that WTF's real name is William Schober, born in Whittier CA, brother of Joe or Joseph Schober. I would like to ask WTF, is this so?
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Postby Winston » Wed May 19, 2010 2:35 pm

Hi educatedindian,

Thanks for sharing your info. It was very interesting. How did you find this thread? By Googling his name?

Now first of all, I don't mind if a spiritual teacher or author mixes different spiritual practices or traditions together. Such is common nowadays among New Age gurus, including great ones like Wayne Dyer and Deepak Chopra. It's a popular way of marketing yourself. As long as they help people and elevate them to a higher level of consciousness and helps them focus on spiritual things, that's what counts.

WTF isn't necessarily a historically accurate teacher of Apache or Native American culture or traditions. What he symbolizes is a longing of many in industrial society to return to ancient roots, to a time when man was in tune and at one with nature. Deep down, many of us yearn for that, and are tired of living a materialistic lifestyle of modern society that has alienated us from nature and spirituality. This "lost connection" is what WTF symbolizes to others, regardless of who he really is.

As a big fan of Native American culture myself, that's what he symbolizes to me also.

But I think the main issue is, does WTF help people? Heal them? Inspire them? Make them feel good about themselves? If so, then there are positives about him too. Some claim that he has healed them and educated them in alternative medicine. Also, some who are close to him and have known him for many years attest that deep down he is a good sincere caring person. See their comments in my blog page here: http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2 ... ative.html

That's what makes him controversial.

His personal character is another issue. And according to your accounts, there are some negatives about him in that area that are not good obviously.

As to the Apache band governments, if you don't know his real name, how can you verify if he is in their records or not as a real Apache?

Have you tried contacting his past girlfriends to find out his real name? Someone must have seen his driver's license or passport name before? If he keeps his real name a secret, then there are probably things he doesn't want others to know, skeletons in the closet in other words.

As to the deleted comments in my blog about him, I saved them offline before I deleted them. If you would like to see them, I can PM them to you or email them to you? Which do you prefer? PM me on this. I will PM you about this too.

I just think it's fair that if someone criticizes him, they should at least identify themselves. I mean fair is fair, it should go both ways. A person who is really a victim is in no danger speaking their mind here. WTF, even if he is deceptive, is not a dangerous person I don't think. And besides, it's not much to ask to use a registered Google name when posting a comment on a blog. I mean, one can have several Google accounts and not reveal his/her identity or name. A Google account will only give away your email perhaps, but not your name. So one can still be anonymous and post from a registered Google account.

I doubt that WTF will answer your post about his real name. But we'll see. If he doesn't want you to know it, and his name really is William Schober, then he will not admit it or will plead the 5th. I think he prefers to remain mysterious. Perhaps you should ask some of his past girlfriends?

Anyhow, can you post the link to this thread in your newagefraud forum threads about him? I'd love to have your group read my analysis of him here and tell me if they are accurate.

Basically, I only talked to him for a few hours in his hotel room in Santa Fe. My instincts (which tend to be 90 percent accurate about people) about him are that he is an attention seeker. Sometimes he does seem sincere and honest, but other times, he seems a bit phoney and pretentious, not only in what he says, but simply the vibe he projects and his tone of voice. (I am very sensitive to energy and vibes, and a person of deep insight who is attuned to higher levels of consciousness as well) So, like others I've known, he mixes sincerity with a bit of phoniness. Deep down he may be a good caring person. But he is an attention seeker drawn to fame and fortune, who enjoys mesmerizing others, and perhaps he does want to really help people too. So essentially, he is a mixed bag, as those close to him also say. That's what makes him interesting to me. He is a complex person. Definitely not boring at least. I do like him, but I do not know if I would trust him.

Anyway, who would you recommend as a genuine authentic teacher of the Apache traditions and culture?

Thanks,
Winston

PS - Some questions for you. WTF told me that he gets instructions and advice, such as asking me to take down the blog about him, from his "elders" or "council", making it sound like there is some council of wise Native American elders who look over him. Who are these people? Are they real Apaches?

Also, who sponsors all his world tours? He does not seem rich. Does he have corporate sponsors? How does he afford to travel the world? Any idea?
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Postby Winston » Wed May 19, 2010 6:13 pm

Hi educatedindian,

I see that you've already posted the link to this thread in your newageforum thread about him. Thanks.

I just started another thread about WTF on my other site and forum about debunking paranormal debunkers. Here it is if you want to add it to your bookmarked list:

http://www.debunkingskeptics.com/forum/ ... =22&t=1164
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Postby educatedindian » Wed May 19, 2010 10:44 pm

Winston wrote:
HI EDUCATEDINDIAN,

1. THANKS FOR SHARING YOUR INFO. IT WAS VERY INTERESTING. HOW DID YOU FIND THIS THREAD? BY GOOGLING HIS NAME?

2. NOW FIRST OF ALL, I DON'T MIND IF A SPIRITUAL TEACHER OR AUTHOR MIXES DIFFERENT SPIRITUAL PRACTICES OR TRADITIONS TOGETHER. SUCH IS COMMON NOWADAYS AMONG NEW AGE GURUS, INCLUDING GREAT ONES LIKE WAYNE DYER AND DEEPAK CHOPRA. IT'S A POPULAR WAY OF MARKETING YOURSELF. AS LONG AS THEY HELP PEOPLE AND ELEVATE THEM TO A HIGHER LEVEL OF CONSCIOUSNESS AND HELPS THEM FOCUS ON SPIRITUAL THINGS, THAT'S WHAT COUNTS.

3. WTF ISN'T NECESSARILY A HISTORICALLY ACCURATE TEACHER OF APACHE OR NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE OR TRADITIONS. WHAT HE SYMBOLIZES IS A LONGING OF MANY IN INDUSTRIAL SOCIETY TO RETURN TO ANCIENT ROOTS, TO A TIME WHEN MAN WAS IN TUNE AND AT ONE WITH NATURE. DEEP DOWN, MANY OF US YEARN FOR THAT, AND ARE TIRED OF LIVING A MATERIALISTIC LIFESTYLE OF MODERN SOCIETY THAT HAS ALIENATED US FROM NATURE AND SPIRITUALITY. THIS "LOST CONNECTION" IS WHAT WTF SYMBOLIZES TO OTHERS, REGARDLESS OF WHO HE REALLY IS.

AS A BIG FAN OF NATIVE AMERICAN CULTURE MYSELF, THAT'S WHAT HE SYMBOLIZES TO ME ALSO.

4. BUT I THINK THE MAIN ISSUE IS, DOES WTF HELP PEOPLE? HEAL THEM? INSPIRE THEM? MAKE THEM FEEL GOOD ABOUT THEMSELVES? IF SO, THEN THERE ARE POSITIVES ABOUT HIM TOO. SOME CLAIM THAT HE HAS HEALED THEM AND EDUCATED THEM IN ALTERNATIVE MEDICINE. ALSO, SOME WHO ARE CLOSE TO HIM AND HAVE KNOWN HIM FOR MANY YEARS ATTEST THAT DEEP DOWN HE IS A GOOD SINCERE CARING PERSON. SEE THEIR COMMENTS IN MY BLOG PAGE HERE: HTTP://INTELLECTUALEXPAT.BLOGSPOT.COM/2 ... ATIVE.HTML

THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM CONTROVERSIAL.

HIS PERSONAL CHARACTER IS ANOTHER ISSUE. AND ACCORDING TO YOUR ACCOUNTS, THERE ARE SOME NEGATIVES ABOUT HIM IN THAT AREA THAT ARE NOT GOOD OBVIOUSLY.

4. AS TO THE APACHE BAND GOVERNMENTS, IF YOU DON'T KNOW HIS REAL NAME, HOW CAN YOU VERIFY IF HE IS IN THEIR RECORDS OR NOT AS A REAL APACHE?

HAVE YOU TRIED CONTACTING HIS PAST GIRLFRIENDS TO FIND OUT HIS REAL NAME? SOMEONE MUST HAVE SEEN HIS DRIVER'S LICENSE OR PASSPORT NAME BEFORE? IF HE KEEPS HIS REAL NAME A SECRET, THEN THERE ARE PROBABLY THINGS HE DOESN'T WANT OTHERS TO KNOW, SKELETONS IN THE CLOSET IN OTHER WORDS.

AS TO THE DELETED COMMENTS IN MY BLOG ABOUT HIM, I SAVED THEM OFFLINE BEFORE I DELETED THEM. IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO SEE THEM, I CAN PM THEM TO YOU OR EMAIL THEM TO YOU? WHICH DO YOU PREFER? PM ME ON THIS. I WILL PM YOU ABOUT THIS TOO.

5. I JUST THINK IT'S FAIR THAT IF SOMEONE CRITICIZES HIM, THEY SHOULD AT LEAST IDENTIFY THEMSELVES. I MEAN FAIR IS FAIR, IT SHOULD GO BOTH WAYS. A PERSON WHO IS REALLY A VICTIM IS IN NO DANGER SPEAKING THEIR MIND HERE. WTF, EVEN IF HE IS DECEPTIVE, IS NOT A DANGEROUS PERSON I DON'T THINK. AND BESIDES, IT'S NOT MUCH TO ASK TO USE A REGISTERED GOOGLE NAME WHEN POSTING A COMMENT ON A BLOG. I MEAN, ONE CAN HAVE SEVERAL GOOGLE ACCOUNTS AND NOT REVEAL HIS/HER IDENTITY OR NAME. A GOOGLE ACCOUNT WILL ONLY GIVE AWAY YOUR EMAIL PERHAPS, BUT NOT YOUR NAME. SO ONE CAN STILL BE ANONYMOUS AND POST FROM A REGISTERED GOOGLE ACCOUNT.

I DOUBT THAT WTF WILL ANSWER YOUR POST ABOUT HIS REAL NAME. BUT WE'LL SEE. IF HE DOESN'T WANT YOU TO KNOW IT, AND HIS NAME REALLY IS WILLIAM SCHOBER, THEN HE WILL NOT ADMIT IT OR WILL PLEAD THE 5TH. I THINK HE PREFERS TO REMAIN MYSTERIOUS. PERHAPS YOU SHOULD ASK SOME OF HIS PAST GIRLFRIENDS?

6. ANYHOW, CAN YOU POST THE LINK TO THIS THREAD IN YOUR NEWAGEFRAUD FORUM THREADS ABOUT HIM? I'D LOVE TO HAVE YOUR GROUP READ MY ANALYSIS OF HIM HERE AND TELL ME IF THEY ARE ACCURATE.

7. BASICALLY, I ONLY TALKED TO HIM FOR A FEW HOURS IN HIS HOTEL ROOM IN SANTA FE. MY INSTINCTS (WHICH TEND TO BE 90 PERCENT ACCURATE ABOUT PEOPLE) ABOUT HIM ARE THAT HE IS AN ATTENTION SEEKER. SOMETIMES HE DOES SEEM SINCERE AND HONEST, BUT OTHER TIMES, HE SEEMS A BIT PHONEY AND PRETENTIOUS, NOT ONLY IN WHAT HE SAYS, BUT SIMPLY THE VIBE HE PROJECTS AND HIS TONE OF VOICE. (I AM VERY SENSITIVE TO ENERGY AND VIBES, AND A PERSON OF DEEP INSIGHT WHO IS ATTUNED TO HIGHER LEVELS OF CONSCIOUSNESS AS WELL) SO, LIKE OTHERS I'VE KNOWN, HE MIXES SINCERITY WITH A BIT OF PHONINESS. DEEP DOWN HE MAY BE A GOOD CARING PERSON. BUT HE IS AN ATTENTION SEEKER DRAWN TO FAME AND FORTUNE, WHO ENJOYS MESMERIZING OTHERS, AND PERHAPS HE DOES WANT TO REALLY HELP PEOPLE TOO. SO ESSENTIALLY, HE IS A MIXED BAG, AS THOSE CLOSE TO HIM ALSO SAY. THAT'S WHAT MAKES HIM INTERESTING TO ME. HE IS A COMPLEX PERSON. DEFINITELY NOT BORING AT LEAST. I DO LIKE HIM, BUT I DO NOT KNOW IF I WOULD TRUST HIM.

8. ANYWAY, WHO WOULD YOU RECOMMEND AS A GENUINE AUTHENTIC TEACHER OF THE APACHE TRADITIONS AND CULTURE?

THANKS,
WINSTON

9. PS - SOME QUESTIONS FOR YOU. WTF TOLD ME THAT HE GETS INSTRUCTIONS AND ADVICE, SUCH AS ASKING ME TO TAKE DOWN THE BLOG ABOUT HIM, FROM HIS "ELDERS" OR "COUNCIL", MAKING IT SOUND LIKE THERE IS SOME COUNCIL OF WISE NATIVE AMERICAN ELDERS WHO LOOK OVER HIM. WHO ARE THESE PEOPLE? ARE THEY REAL APACHES?

10.ALSO, WHO SPONSORS ALL HIS WORLD TOURS? HE DOES NOT SEEM RICH. DOES HE HAVE CORPORATE SPONSORS? HOW DOES HE AFFORD TO TRAVEL THE WORLD? ANY IDEA?


HI WINSTON,
I ADDED NUMBERS TO YOUR POST TO MAKEM IT CLEARER WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO.

HI WINSTON,
I ADDED NUMBERS TO YOUR POST TO MAKEM IT CLEARER WHAT I'M RESPONDING TO.

1. WE RESPONDED TO INQUIRIES FROM THE PUBLIC, LIKE WE USUALLY DO. SURVIVORS OF HIS ABUSE CONTACTED US.

2.WHAT HE MIXES TOGETHER IS NOT APACHE, PLAIN AND SIMPLE. NONE OF IT.

THE SWEATLODGE HE DOES IS AN IMITATION OF LAKOTA, JUST LIKE MOST OF WHAT HE DOES THAT HE CLAIMS IS APACHE. THE CULTURES ARE AS DIFFERENT AS GREEK FROM SWEDISH.

IF HE WANTS TO CALL HIMSELF WHITE-MAN-SCHOBER-DOING-PRETEND-INDIAN-CEREMONY, THEN NATIVES WOULDN’T HAVE A PROBLEM. BUT HE DOESN’T. HE PUTS ON THE ACT FOR YOU TO LIVE UP TO YOUR FANTASIES OF WHAT A NATIVE IS.

THINK OF IT THIS WAY: WHAT IF I EXPECTED YOU TO LIVE UP TO SILLY WHITE STEREOTYPES ABOUT ASIANS? WHAT IF I EXPECTED YOU TO BE SOME SILLY MIX OF BRUCE LEE AND CHARLIE CHAN, WITH A COMPUTER NERD THROWN IN? AND WHAT IF I SOLD TAROT AND EXORCISMS AS ‘ANCIENT CHINESE SECRETSâ€￾ LIKE THE OLD DISHWASHING AD?

3. THEN HE IS A FRAUD, PLAIN AND SIMPLE, PRETENDING TO BE SOMETHING HE IS NOT. BE HONEST: IF HE WERE A WHITE GUY NAMED SCHOBER NO ONE WOULD PAY ANY ATTENTION TO HIM. THAT’S WHY HE PUTS ON THIS ACT, DRESSING LIKE A FRANKLIN MINT PLATE AND TALKING SOMEWHERE BETWEEN TONTO AND A TV PREACHER.

4. FEELING GOOD MEANS NOTHING. THAT’S WHAT CONMEN DO. AS FOR HEALING, SNAKE OIL SALESMEN WHO PRETEND TO BE FAITH HEALERS SOMETIMES HEAL PEOPLE PURELY BY ACCIDENT. IT’S NOT THE MAN, BUT THAT PERSON’S FAITH THAT (SOMETIMES) HEALS.

AND MOST PEOPLE ARE NOT HEALED BY HIM, OR THEY WOULD TRY TO GET HIM TO STAY AND BE THEIR LOCAL HEALER. BUT LOOK AT WHAT HE DOES, RUNS FROM ONE PLACE TO ANOTHER ALL OVER THE WORLD, SOMETIMES ONE STEP AHEAD OF THE LAW OR ANGRY DISILLUSIONED VICTIMS.

5. TRIBAL COMMUNITIES ARE SMALL. THE YAVAPAI ARE LESS THAN 200 FOR EXAMPLE. THE BIGGEST APACHE BAND IS LESS THAN 10000. AND HEALERS AND ELDERS ARE WELL KNOWN AND RESPECTED. TO NOT KNOW OF HIM WOULD BE LIKE NO ONE IN A SMALL TOWN KNOWING THE NAME OF THE TOWN’S ONLY DOCTOR.

6. OPERATORS SUCH AS SCHOBER THREATEN THEIR VICTIMS ALL THE TIME. I SEE IT CONSTANTLY.

6. OK.

8. WHAT YOU DESCRIBE ARE THE TYPICAL TRAITS OF A CONMAN, NOT A HEALER OR SPIRITUAL LEADER. REMEMBER THAT CON MAN IS SHORT FOR CONFIDENCE MAN. CONMEN WORK BY MAKING YOU FEEL GOOD ABOUT GETTING TAKEN AND ABUSED BY THEM.

A REAL NATIVE MEDICINE MAN COULD NOT BE MORE DIFFERENT THAN SCHOBER. THEY ARE THE HUMBLEST PEOPLE YOU WILL EVER MEET, SELF EFFACING, AND DIRT POOR. THEY GIVE ANYTHING THEY HAVE TO HELP THOSE IN EVEN MORE NEED THAN THEY. THEY ARE RESPECTED BY THEIR COMMUNITY, AND TIED TO IT AND WELL KNOWN. THEY DON’T RUN OFF WITH NAÃ￾VE WOMEN TO EUROPE TO MAKE MONEY OFF OF OTHER NAÃ￾VE PEOPLE AS SCHOBER HAS SPENT MOST OF HIS LIFE DOING.

8. IF YOU WANT TO LEARN ABOUT NATIVE BELIEFS FOR EDUCATION, NATIVE VALUES TO INFLUENCE YOUR LIFE, TRY WRITERS LIKE VINE DELORIA. TRY READING THE AUTOBIOGRAPHY OF GERONIMO, WHICH IS ONLINE.

BUT THERE ARE NO TEACHERS FOR OUTSIDERS, NONE, PERIOD. NATIVE TRADITIONS MAKE NO SENSE OUTSIDE OF THE CONTEXT OF A NATIVE COMMUNITY. THEIR POWER AND STRENGTH IS TIED TO THE HOMELAND OF THE TRIBE. NATIVE FAITHS NEITHER WANT NOR SEEK CONVERTS. NATIVE FAITHS ARE FOR THEIR TRIBES. THEY ARE NOT AND DON’T WANT TO BE UNIVERSAL FAITHS LIKE CHRISTIANITY.

9. HE’S LYING. HE HAS NO ELDERS AND NO COUNCIL. IT’S PHONY BALONEY HOCUS POCUS DONE TO IMPRESS YOU. REAL ELDERS WOULD NOT SUPPORT WHAT HE DOES SINCE IT GOES AGAINST EVERY PRECEPT AND PRACTICE OF NATIVE CULTURES.

AND LIKE YOU SAID, YOU COULD SEE FOR YOURSELF, WHAT HE DOES DOESN’T HAVE A THING TO DO WITH ACTUAL APACHE CULTURE. HE’S PUTTING ON A FANTASY ACT FOR THOSE WITH ROMANTICIZED NOTIONS ABOUT INDIANS.

10. HE LIVES OFF OF WOMEN HE HAS CONVINCED HE IS A HEALER. BASICALLY THESE ARE WOMEN WHO CONVINCE THEMSELVES HE IS THEIR BOYFRIEND NOW, AND ARE WILLING TO LOOK PAST OR CONVINCE THEMSELVES HIS MANY USED AND ABUSED WOMEN ARE IN THE PAST. THESE TEND TO BE LONELY MIDDLE AGED WOMEN, WOMEN THAT SOCIETY TENDS TO VIEW AS LESS VALUABLE AND ATTRACTIVE. (NOTE THAT I’M NOT SAYING THEY ARE, JUST TALKING ABOUT HOW MUCH OF SOCIETY TREATS ANY WOMAN OVER 25.)

I DON’T KNOW IF JANICE TERRA IS ONE SUCHWOMAN, BUT SCHOBER DOES CURRENTLY USE THE SAME ADDRESS AS TERRA.

IT’S ALSO PAINFULLY OBVIOUS MANY OF THESE WOMEN HAVE SELF ESTEEM OR SELF WORTH ISSUES. JUST LOOK AT THE SEVERAL WOMEN IN THIS THREAD WHO DEFEND HIM EVNE WHILE THEY ADMIT HE USED THEM AND LEFT THEM, OFTEN DRAINING THEIR BANK ACCOUNTS AND LEAVING THEM AS SINGLE MOTHERS WITH UNSUPPORTED CHILDREN AND A DEADBEAT DAD.

I HOPE PEOPLE WILL TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT HE’S DONE AND THE EVIDENCE WE HAVE AGAINST SCHOBER. WE ALSO WELCOME DISCUSSION, INCLUDING FROM THOSE WHO DEFEND HIM.

EVEN SCHOBER HIMSELF WOULD BE WELCOME TO TRY AND EXPLAIN HIMSELF.
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Postby Winston » Thu May 20, 2010 7:42 pm

Hi educatedindian,

How were you able to turn my whole post into caps? Did you use some software to do that? There is no way to do that with the forum features.

It's probably more readable without the all caps format.

Anyhow, have you ever considered that WTF might use fraudulent means to get attention, but deep down he could be a good caring person who likes to help people? I mean, some are like that. I also am an attention seeker too, so I can understand his need for that. And I am not exactly a saint either. I promote things that are controversial and that some consider indecent. But those close to me will tell you that deep down I am a good, gentle, caring person who is also very honest and tells it like it is. I get respect for that, despite my flaws.

Could WTF be like that too? Did you consider that? This isn't a perfect world where everyone can be angels and saints you know. We all do the best with what we have right?

Have you met WTF in person?

Also, if so many women like WTF and even defend him in my blog despite what he's done to them, doesn't that tell you that he must have SOME good qualities that they were attracted to, even if they are inner qualities?

I mean my girlfriend knows that I am no saint and that I am poor on a very tight budget. But she senses that I am very rich on the inside with many rich inner qualities, which very few guys have. Inner richness is rare.

Does WTF have that? Is that why women are drawn to him? Or are they drawn to his muscular build and exotic mystical look and clothes? I can imagine how a lonely woman must feel to one day have an exotic looking muscular Native American walk into their lives and tell them everything they want to hear. Some women are drawn to that look.

Who is the woman at the end of his video "The Shaman" whom WTF leaves to go to the Caribbean? Is that Janice?

It was a poor reckless choice to put that scene at the end of the film. It didn't look good. That tells me that WTF or his producer must have a reckless streak.

I wasn't talking about books about Native Americans. I was asking if there were any public figures who teach Native American culture or spirituality. What about public POW WOW's? Do you recommend them?

You know, back in 2006 I drove through the Navajolands in Arizona looking for some Native American culture. But all I found were tables selling jewelry and pottery, expensive hotels, beautiful canyons, and some museums. Was I looking in the wrong place? How does one really experience Native American culture?

Here are some pics of the beautiful Navajolands I drove through:
http://www.happierabroad.com/Southwest_Photos.htm

I did read the book Black Elk Speaks long ago. That was a good book.

I also listen to the popular music CD "Sacred Spirit" and some flute music too. Are those authentic Native American music?

What did you think of "Dances with Wolves"? Was it pretty accurate in its depiction? A Native American jewelry seller told me it was. Do you agree?
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Postby Nate » Thu May 20, 2010 9:39 pm

Winston wrote:Anyhow, have you ever considered that WTF might use fraudulent means to get attention, but deep down he could be a good caring person who likes to help people?



Winston- Don't you think that every swindler out there that takes people for their time, money or panties no doubt will say the same thing?
Of course they do...like saying that deep down inside the rapist loved the girl...It would seem that sticking up for him is a losing battle.

Every generation has it's snake oil salesmen, and by God, some folks will still say the stuff works...
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Postby Winston » Sat May 22, 2010 9:15 am

Nate wrote:
Winston wrote:Anyhow, have you ever considered that WTF might use fraudulent means to get attention, but deep down he could be a good caring person who likes to help people?



Winston- Don't you think that every swindler out there that takes people for their time, money or panties no doubt will say the same thing?
Of course they do...like saying that deep down inside the rapist loved the girl...It would seem that sticking up for him is a losing battle.

Every generation has it's snake oil salesmen, and by God, some folks will still say the stuff works...


But I'm not going by what WTF says. I'm going by what those close to him say, who've known him for many years. It's easy to label someone a fraud of swindler. But you gotta consider ALL the evidence, and one of the most IMPORTANT pieces of evidence are the testimonies of those closest to him who've known him longest.

Have a look at what they say. See the words I've bolded. They sound like very wise people.

http://intellectualexpat.blogspot.com/2 ... ative.html

'From personal experience i can agree, somewhat, with a lot of the above, and from both points of view. I have known William for a long time, and yes, I am one of the mothers of his children. Yes, it hurts to hear my beautiful child called 'one of the bastard kids' mentioned. Yes, I lent money I quite likely will not see again. No, i probably would not trust him with my daughter. Yes, he has an enormous ego, a little humility certainly wouldn't go astray with this man!
But he does have his heart in the right place in many ways.
'Faith Healing' is exactly that - you must have faith to be healed. William facilitates that, he believes and it is up to the recipient to also believe in their own healing.
He does believe in what he does, in many ways he is one of the most genuine people you will meet - so genuine it can be scary.
He is a hard man, and you have to be strong to know and understand him. Yes, he can hurt people if they leave themselves open to that, or allow it. But he is a human being, no-one is perfect, and this person stands out as being imperfect because he chooses not to conform to many ways that go against his grain, ways that others go along with, limiting themselves and inhibiting their true place in the world and grand scheme of things. Yes, this may mean he can do the 'wrong' thing in societal terms.
He is someone who found a path and is following it. He will not detour as he is on a spirit-led mission. He does listen to spirit, he believes, and therefore believes in himself.
I would like to say to those of you that are keen to tear his name to shreds - there is no need for that, take what you have learnt from William and cherish it for yourself. There is worth in every teaching, in every experience.'

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Janice said...

As a writer it is obvious to me that the vicious comments were written by the same unhappy person.
The sentence structure and use of words supports this fact. For every genuine leader in our world there is an entire herd of minions whose only claim to fame is their attempt to drag the leaders down to their level of mediocrity. Fortunatly - they (she) will not succeed. I have known Two Feather for a number of years and know him to be one of the most honest and forthright people I know. He tells it like it is. His medicine is pure. He healed me of a condition which the doctors could not for over 8 years. He is the real deal. It is an unfortunate fact that the higher people rise in the world - the more they come under attack. It is with great pride that I call William Two Feather "friend". And so it is.

Janice,
The Lady Horse Whisperer

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bev said...

I have known William TwoFeather for several years and have assisted him in healing rooms on various occasions.
I have witnessed with my own eyes many things that defy logical explanations and the benefits his healings have had on many people.
Over the passed few years I have assisted him with graphics for the series of books he is writing, of which a portion of the proceeds from these books will go to assist Native American causes.
He has never said to me that he has won a UFC or WWF anything, what he has said is that he was a contact knife fighting championship which was sponsored by Soldier of Fortune magazine in around 2000.
I agree with Dawn in the fact that he would be the first to admit that he is no saint, and like the rest of us, he is human and has an ego. I also wish to remind the reader that he is single and no different in that fact to any other single male.
The spiteful comments above sound to me to be those of one who assumed more than was actually offered and there-by, perhaps, gave far to freely.

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Dawn said...

Actually I know him very well too. I think he would be the first to admit that he is not a saint, however he does not deserve the vitriolic comments posted above. William is someone who gets noticed. I think receiving comments from people who have an axe to grind like this is probably par for the course of sticking his head over the parapet.

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Nicole said...

It must not be easy to be a Leader of the community to be told by Spirit that you have to go out into the world and train thousands of Spiritual Warriors and healers and leave behind your loved ones because the people need the teachings. I would ask all those who might have something to say about Two Feather to consider that his only mission for the last 25 years is to heal others and help spread the Wisdom of Native American Faith Healing. Judgement is an easy thing to do. We judge others standing in front of us at the checkout because they have gang tattoos on their kneck. We judge young mothers with three children paying for their dinner with EBT cards. We judge people all the time but we don't know the road they've walked or the hard choices they've had to make. As healers we should know that everyone is imperfect and all need love. So I ask this woman who posted her nasty statements about Two Feather to respond to the email I sent her three days ago and read her own words again.
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Postby Winston » Sat May 22, 2010 9:34 am

So you see from the above comments, those closest to Two Feather claim that despite his imperfections, deep down he is genuine, true, and desires to help others. That's important key evidence. You see, anyone can take a cursory glance at someone and call them a fraud. But not anyone can know a man for years and be close to him. The few that do definitely carry more weight in their opinions about him. In fact, you could say that the GREATEST TESTAMENT to a man's true character and nature is what those who are closest to him and have known him the longest say about him, for they are in the best position to judge his true heart.

I wanna make one more important point. Educatedindian may be right that Two Feather is misrepresenting Apache traditions.

However, there is nothing wrong if he simply says that he is a Native American who teaches spiritual/healing traditions from all over the world, including New Age ones. He can go under that package and people would be fine with it. It's his image and teachings that they like, not his historical accuracy.

Most people are not Native American scholars. They are simply looking for some traditional mystical image that reconnects them with their "spiritual roots" and lost traditions that modern industrial materialistic society has forgotten.
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Postby Winston » Sat May 22, 2010 1:07 pm

Btw, check out this interesting video with Two Feather in it. Here is the link and description below. Notice that in the description, the producer calls Two Feather "an actual Apache medicine man". Perhaps someone can contact this producer through his YouTube account and get him to participate in this thread?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XlI9rA_h7E[/youtube]

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"Either Or" is a visionary meditation on death. Shot on high quality Super 8 stock (with some DV footage interspersed), I wanted to create an environment where the dream-like death symbology was given a profoundly spiritual context, rather than one mired in fear and ignorance. The shaman is played by William Two Feather, an actual Apache medicine man. We've collaborated on several short films, each one with a unique spiritual vision.
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Postby Winston » Sun May 23, 2010 7:46 am

Educatedindian,

I have a question for you. When you say that WTF is abusive and has abused women before, do you mean that he charms women and tells them what they want to hear to get them into bed, and then he leaves them the next day feeling used and lied to? Is that it? Or is there something more to it than that?
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Postby MrPeabody » Sun May 23, 2010 11:24 pm

Winston wrote:Educatedindian,

I have a question for you. When you say that WTF is abusive and has abused women before, do you mean that he charms women and tells them what they want to hear to get them into bed, and then he leaves them the next day feeling used and lied to? Is that it? Or is there something more to it than that?


Why do you think he should know all these sordid details or care? His issue is that a conman is misrepresenting his culture and damaging the reputation of Indians. If WTF clearly stated that he was a fictional Indian providing entertainment, then there would be no misrepresentation, and it would be of no concern to real Indians.
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Postby Winston » Mon May 24, 2010 7:00 am

catameran wrote:
Winston wrote:Educatedindian,

I have a question for you. When you say that WTF is abusive and has abused women before, do you mean that he charms women and tells them what they want to hear to get them into bed, and then he leaves them the next day feeling used and lied to? Is that it? Or is there something more to it than that?


Why do you think he should know all these sordid details or care? His issue is that a conman is misrepresenting his culture and damaging the reputation of Indians. If WTF clearly stated that he was a fictional Indian providing entertainment, then there would be no misrepresentation, and it would be of no concern to real Indians.


Because abuse is a serious charge of human violation and I wanted it to be clear what it refers to, since the term can be used broadly or misconstrued. If you were accused of abuse, I'm sure you'd take it seriously too.

I do find it odd though that WTF will not come and defend himself or set the record straight on any of these things. If this thread is affecting his reputation like he says, you'd think he would come and defend himself and give his side of the story at least.

If WTF would merely package himself as a New Age healer who simply likes to dress up like an Indian, it would solve the problem.

If misrepresentation is a con to you, then you would have to say that virtually all of Hollywood's misrepresentation of people and cultures is a con, so Hollywood is full of conmen right?

Image is a very grey area and is highly manipulated. That's part of life in all areas, not just with healers.

And this is not a world where everyone can be a saint or angel either.
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Postby wraith » Sat May 29, 2010 4:52 pm

Winston, why are you defending this fraud? Even when he threatened you? Come now, there really is no reason to.
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Postby Shokkers » Sat May 29, 2010 5:37 pm

Hmmm, seems to me he is over-reacting, but I don't see anything damning except perhaps the Apache Chief reference, a lot of Native Americans think it's mockery (then again, if Native Americans are left OUT of the Superfriends, it's discrimination. You can't bloody win.)

I don't think he can do more than claim Defamation, but even that's more trouble than it's worth.

In any event he's shooting himself in the foot; when you have a site you're advertising, you'd want as many links to it as possible.
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