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Circumcised or not?

Postby well-informed » Fri Aug 12, 2011 4:42 am

I first want to apologize because i know this isn't a topic relating to foreign women, but is something that's affecting me personally as a young guy.

I'm 20 and i've always had a uncircumcised penis. Lately i've been thinking about getting surgery (not now but for the future), to get it circumcised.

- I personally don't like looking at my penis, not the size just it's head. I think circumcised visually looks better (no homo)
- I hate when i get bj's and her tongue touches the tip of my penis because it's so sensitive. I like flinch in pain, i hate that feeling.
- To me i think circumcised is better than uncircumcised when it comes to having sex because there's no skin to interfere. More comfortable

What do you guys think, is this something i should consider doing?
Have you had any similar experiences with this?
Pros and cons in having a circumcised penis or uncircumcised one?

I usually don't post questions about my personal life, so please be honest and respectful.

I just don't know who to ask about this personally. Just writing this makes me feel uncomfortable for some reason.
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Postby odbo » Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:06 am

You're a f***ing idiot. After you get circumsized go jump off a cliff.

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Re: Circumcised or not?

Postby Rock » Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:46 am

well-informed wrote:I first want to apologize because i know this isn't a topic relating to foreign women, but is something that's affecting me personally as a young guy.

I'm 20 and i've always had a uncircumcised penis. Lately i've been thinking about getting surgery (not now but for the future), to get it circumcised.

- I personally don't like looking at my penis, not the size just it's head. I think circumcised visually looks better (no homo)
- I hate when i get bj's and her tongue touches the tip of my penis because it's so sensitive. I like flinch in pain, i hate that feeling.
- To me i think circumcised is better than uncircumcised when it comes to having sex because there's no skin to interfere. More comfortable

What do you guys think, is this something i should consider doing?
Have you had any similar experiences with this?
Pros and cons in having a circumcised penis or uncircumcised one?

I usually don't post questions about my personal life, so please be honest and respectful.

I just don't know who to ask about this personally. Just writing this makes me feel uncomfortable for some reason.


Actually, this topic is somewhat related to foreign women. Because some of them care about this issue. A few years ago, an African girl from the States (she had been there since adolescence) saw my profile on a website and started emailing me. Eventually, we moved to phone. In the getting to know stage, she asked me whether or not I had been circumcised. Since I'm American, she assumed I probably had. For some reason, I lied to her and told her I was not. Well, from that point onwards, she basically lost interest. She even told me she thought the foreskin would cause sanitation issues and lead to heightened disease risk. Generally though, I doubt most non-Muslim/non-Jewish women in Europe or Asia care one way or the other. Not sure about the States though. Seems women there are so picky about everything that they probably have a preference here too.

I also noticed that in Africa, predominantly Muslim countries have much lower HIV prevalence than those which are Christian. Some have speculated that the reason for this is that infected men who are not circumcised spread the disease more easily than those who are circumcised due to the increased friction. Don't know whether or not that is true of course.

If you consider the surgery, do a lot of Google research and follow-up with your own due-diligence. Try to find non-prejudiced discussion forums and see what people who have had the surgery say. Beware of biased websites and forums sponsored by doctors cus they are going to slant things. From what I've read, the topic is controversial. Some guys who've had it are happy but others say they've lost some sensation or feel increased pain. Its a big decision so you really need to spend a lot of time talking to these guys and if you decide to go forward, interviewing lots of doctors in your area. I would imagine its the kind of procedure that you would need general anesthesia for. And you will surely be quite sore for a period after the surgery. But oxycodeine and other narcotic painkillers can help you handle anything unbearable. Just don't get carried away with them!

Good luck.
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Postby Rock » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:14 am

Here's a few stats from the Wikipedia entry copied below (sources only in link pasted at top)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_eff ... rcumcision

Circumcision
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The sexual effects of circumcision are the subject of some debate. Studies have been conducted to investigate whether circumcision has any effect on sexual drive, erectile function, premature and delayed ejaculation, sexual satisfaction, sexual sensation and penile sensitivity. Studies have also assessed whether circumcision affects masturbation or other sexual practices, and whether a heterosexual woman's experience of sex is affected by her partner's circumcision status.

Those reviewing the literature have reached differing conclusions. The American Academy of Pediatrics points to a survey (self-report) finding circumcised adult men had less sexual dysfunction and more varied sexual practices, but also noted anecdotal reports that penile sensation and sexual satisfaction are decreased for circumcised males.[1] In January 2007, The American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) stated "The effect of circumcision on penile sensation or sexual satisfaction is unknown. Because the epithelium of a circumcised glans becomes cornified, and because some feel nerve over-stimulation leads to desensitization, many believe that the glans of a circumcised penis is less sensitive. [...] No valid evidence to date, however, supports the notion that being circumcised affects sexual sensation or satisfaction."[2] Conversely, a 2002 review by Boyle et al. stated that "the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endings—many of which are lost to circumcision, with an inevitable reduction in sexual sensation experienced by circumcised males." They concluded, "intercourse is less satisfying for both partners when the man is circumcised".[3]

Penile sensitivity and sexual sensation

Results of studies of the effect on penile sensitivity have been mixed. In a British study of 150 men circumcised as adults for penile problems, Masood et al. found that 38% reported improved penile sensation (p=0.01), 18% reported worse penile sensation, while the remainder (44%) reported no change.[4] In a survey of men circumcised as adults for medical (93%) or elective (7%) reasons, Fink et al. found an association between adult circumcision and decreased penile sensitivity that "bordered on statistical significance" (p=0.08).[5]

In a 2008 study of Kenyan men, Krieger et al. stated that "Adult male circumcision was not associated with sexual dysfunction. Circumcised men reported increased penile sensitivity and enhanced ease of reaching orgasm."[6] In a 2009 study of 22 men in Mexico circumcised for medical or aesthetic reasons, Cortés-González et al. reported a statistically significant improvement in "perception of sexual events" (p=0.04).[7]
[edit] Glans sensitivity

A number of studies have looked at the question of whether sensitivity of the glans is affected by circumcision. Masters and Johnson (1966) reported: "Routine neurologic testing for both exteroceptive and light tactile discrimination were conducted on the ventral and dorsal surfaces of the penile body, with particular attention directed toward the glans. No clinically significant difference could be established between the circumcised and the uncircumcised glans during these examinations."[8] Sorrells et al. criticised this early study for being poorly documented and not subject to peer review.[9] In January 2007, The American Academy of Family Physicians (AAFP) stated "The effect of circumcision on penile sensation or sexual satisfaction is unknown. Because the epithelium of a circumcised glans becomes cornified, and because some feel nerve over-stimulation leads to desensitization, many believe that the glans of a circumcised penis is less sensitive. Opinions differ about how this decreased sensitivity, which may result in prolonged time to orgasm, affects sexual satisfaction. An investigation of the exteroceptive and light tactile discrimination of the glans of circumcised and uncircumcised men found no difference on comparison. No valid evidence to date, however, supports the notion that being circumcised affects sexual sensation or satisfaction." [2]

Yang et al. (1998) concluded in their study into the innervation of the penile shaft and glans penis that: "The distinct pattern of innervation of the glans emphasizes the role of the glans as a sensory structure."[10]

An examination of 7 circumcised and 6 uncircumcised males found no difference in keratinization of the glans penis.[11] Bleustein et al. (2003) tested the sensitivity of the glans penis, and found no difference between circumcised and uncircumcised men.[12] Bleustein et al. (2005) divided 125 patients (62 uncircumcised men and 63 neonatally circumcised men) into groups based on their sexual dysfunction using the IIEF(International Index of Erectile Function). Twenty-nine were placed in the functional group, and 96 in the dysfunctional group. Quantitative somatosensory testing (including vibration, pressure, spatial perception, and warm and cold thermal thresholds) was used on the dorsal midline glans of the penis. In the dysfunctional group, circumcised men (49 +/- 16 years) were significantly younger (P <0.01) than uncircumcised men (56 +/- 13 years). When controlling for age, hypertension, and diabetes, there was no difference in sensitivity.[13]

Sorrells et al. (2007) measured the fine-touch pressure thresholds of 91 circumcised and 68 uncircumcised, adult male volunteers, They reported "[the] glans of the uncircumcised men had significantly lower mean (sem) pressure thresholds than that of the circumcised men, at 0.161 (0.078) g (P = 0.040) when controlled for age, location of measurement, type of underwear worn, and ethnicity."[9] In a letter to BJU International, however, on the basis of the unadjusted data, Waskett and Morris stated "we find no significant differences [...], consistent with previous findings."[14] However, in a further letter to BJU International, Young responded to Waskett and Morris, stating that Sorrells et al. found that one point, at least, on the glans of the circumcised penis was less sensitive than that of the intact penis.[15]

Payne et al. (2007), in a study of the glans and shaft sensitivity of twenty circumcised and twenty uncircumcised men, reported that "No differences in genital sensitivity were found between the uncircumcised and circumcised groups."[16]
[edit] Foreskin sensitivity

Some recent researchers have asserted that the foreskin may be sexually responsive.[17][18][19][20] Opponents of circumcision have cited these studies, which report on the sensitivity or innervation of the foreskin, claiming a sexual role based upon the presence of nerve-endings in the foreskin sensitive to light touch, stroking and fluttering sensations.

Circumcision removes the ridged band at the end of the foreskin.[19] Taylor (1996) observed that the ridged band had more Meissner's corpuscles — a kind of nerve ending that is concentrated in areas of greatest sensitivity[citation needed] — than the areas of the foreskin with smooth mucus membranes. Taylor postulated that the ridged band is sexually sensitive and plays a role in normal sexual function. He also suggested that the gliding action, possible only when there was enough loose skin on the shaft of the penis, serves to stimulate the ridged band through contact with the corona of the glans penis during vaginal intercourse.[21] This gliding action was also described by Lakshmanan (1980).[22]

Sorrells et al. (2007), in the study discussed above, measured fine-touch pressure thresholds of the penis, and concluded "The transitional region from the external to the internal prepuce is the most sensitive region of the uncircumcised penis and more sensitive than the most sensitive region of the circumcised penis. Circumcision ablates" (removes) "the most sensitive parts of the penis." According to Sorrells et al., the five penile areas most sensitive to fine-touch are located on the foreskin.[9] This is disputed by Waskett and Morris, who argue that when they re-analyse Sorrells' data, no significant differences are found; that light touch is only one form of sensitivity, and that sexual pleasure may sometimes require less sensitivity. They also criticized Sorrells' recruitment methods.[14] In response, Young criticizes Waskett and Morris's use of the Bonferroni correction and argues that the methods of selecting subjects would not affect the results, that the two most sensitive positions on the circumcised penis represent small areas of circumcision scar, as compared to a much larger area of sensitive tissue on the foreskin, and that sales of sensation-dulling products do not necessarily indicate that such are widely used other than on scar tissue.[15] In 2009, Schober et al reported on self-assessed sexual sensitivity in 81 men, 11 of whom were uncircumcised. When assessing areas producing sexual pleasure, the foreskin was ranked 7th, after the glans, lower and upper shaft, and the left and right sides of the penis, but above the area between scrotum and anus, the scrotum itself, and the anus.[23]

Boyle et al. (2002) argued that circumcision and frenectomy remove tissues with "heightened erogenous sensitivity," stating "the genitally intact male has thousands of fine touch receptors and other highly erogenous nerve endings—many of which are lost to circumcision."[24] They concluded, "Evidence has also started to accumulate that male circumcision may result in lifelong physical, sexual, and sometimes psychological harm as well."
[edit] Erectile function

Reports detailing the effect of circumcision on erectile dysfunction have been mixed. Studies have variously found a statistically significant increase,[5][25] or decrease,[7][26][27] in erectile dysfunction among circumcised men, while other studies have shown little to no effect.[4][28][29][30][31][32]

Fink et al., in an American study of 123 men, found that medically necessitated circumcision resulted in worsened erectile function (p=0.01).[5]

Kim and Pang reported no significant difference in erection.[32]

Laumann et al. reported that the likelihood of having difficulty in maintaining an erection was lower for circumcised men, but only at the 0.07 level (OR 0.66; 95% CI, 0.42-1.03).[27]

Cortés-González et al. reported a statistically significant improvement in erectile function following circumcision (p=0.0007).[7]

Frisch et al. found no statistically significant differences in erectile function between circumcised and uncircumcised men.[33]
[edit] Ejaculatory function

Waldinger et al. recruited 500 men (98 circumcised and 261 not-circumcised) from five countries: the Netherlands, United Kingdom, Spain, Turkey, and the United States and studied their ejaculation times during sexual intercourse. They found that the circumcised men in the study took on average 6.7 minutes to ejaculate, compared with 6.0 minutes for the uncircumcised men. This difference was not statistically significant. The comparison excluded Turkey, which was significantly different from the other countries studied.[34] Commenting on the study, Sorrells et al. said "Turkish men, the vast majority of whom are circumcised, had the shortest IELT [Intravaginal ejaculation latency time]."[9]

Collins et al. conducted a prospective study of 15 adult circumcision patients, using the Brief Male Sexual Function Inventory (BMSFI). The authors did not find a statistically significant effect on ejaculation scores.[30]

In a study of 42 Turkish men circumcised for religious reasons, Senkul et al. did not find a statistically significant difference in BMSFI ejaculation scores, but found a significant increase in the mean time to ejaculate. The authors suggested that delayed ejaculation may be seen as a benefit.[29]

In a telephone survey of 10,173 Australian men, 22% of uncircumcised men and 26% of circumcised men reported reaching orgasm too quickly for at least one month in the previous year. The difference was not statistically significant.[26]

Kigozi et al. reported that, in a randomised controlled trial of 4,456 men of whom 2,474 were selected to be circumcised, the authors did not find a statistically significant effect on premature ejaculation.[31]

Krieger et al. reported on a randomised controlled trial of 2,784 participants, of whom 1,391 were randomised to be circumcised. 54.5% of circumcised men described their ease of reaching orgasm as "much more" at 24 months after randomisation.[28]

In a study of 255 circumcised men and 118 uncircumcised men, Kim and Pang reported no statistically significant difference in ejaculation or ejaculation latency time between circumcised and uncircumcised participants.[32]

In a study of men circumcised for benign disease, Masood et al. reported that of those who stated they had prior premature ejaculation, 13% reported improvement after circumcision, 33% reported that it became worse, and 53% reported no change.[4]

In a study of 22 men circumcised as adults, Cortés-González et al. reported that 31.8% suffered from premature ejaculation before the procedure; this diminished to 13.6% afterwards.[7]

Frisch et al. (2011) studied participants in a Danish national health survey, and found that circumcised men were equally likely to report "occasional" orgasm difficulties (29% v 32%), but were more likely to report "frequent" orgasm difficulties (11% v 4%); the difference remained after adjustment for potential confounding factors. Premature ejaculation was not associated with circumcision status.[33]
[edit] Sexual practice and masturbation

In a study by Korean researchers of 255 men circumcised after the age of 20 and 18 who were not circumcised, Kim and Pang reported that masturbatory pleasure decreased in 48% of the respondents and increased in 8%. Masturbatory difficulty increased in 63% but was easier in 37%. They concluded that there was a decrease in masturbatory pleasure after circumcision.[32]

Laumann et al. reported that circumcised men in their survey displayed a greater rates of experience of various sexual practices, including oral sex, anal sex, and masturbation.[27] For example, among whites the "estimated ratio of the odds of masturbating at least once a month for circumcised men was 1.76 that for uncircumcised men." Dr. Laumann provides two explanations for the difference in sexual practices. "One is that uncircumcised men, a minority in this country, may feel a stigma that inhibits them. Another is that circumcision reduces sensitivity in the penis, leading circumcised men to try a range of sexual activities."[35]

Fink et al. did not find a change in sexual activity with adult circumcision (p=0.22).[5]
[edit] Sexual drive

Several studies have investigated the effect of circumcision on sexual drive. Studies that did not find a statistically significant difference include Kim and Pang,[32] Collins et al.,[30] Senkul et al.,[29] Cortés-González et al.,[7] and Frisch et al.[33]
[edit] Satisfaction

Kim and Pang found that 20% reported that their sex life was worse after circumcision and 6% reported that it had improved. They concluded that "there was a decrease ... sexual enjoyment after circumcision, indicating that adult circumcision adversely affects sexual function in many men, possibly because of complications of the surgery and a loss of nerve endings."[32]

Masood et al., in their study mentioned earlier of men circumcised for benign disease, found that 61% reported satisfaction with the results, while 17% felt it made things worse, and 22% expressed neutral sentiments. 44% of the patients (p = 0.04) and 38% of the partners (p = 0.02) thought the penis appearance improved after circumcision. The authors of the study concluded that the satisfaction rate was a 'poor outcome,' given the pre-procedure penile disease state and recommended discussing with prospective patients the results of this study during the informed consent process.[4]

Krieger et al. reported that in a controlled trial of circumcision to reduce HIV incidence in Kisumu, Kenya, in which 1,391 men elected to be circumcised, more than 99% were "satisfied" with their circumcisions.[28]

Kigozi et al. reported finding "no trend in satisfaction among circumcised men". The authors concluded that "[a]dult male circumcision does not adversely affect sexual satisfaction or clinically significant function in men".[31]

Shen et al. reported that adult circumcision appeared to result in improved satisfaction in 34 cases (of 95 adults being circumcised), the association was statistically significant.[25]

Senkul et al. reported that they did not find a statistically significant difference in BMSFI satisfaction scores in their study of 42 adult circumcision patients.[29]

Collins et al. reported on a study of 15 adult circumcision patients. No statistically significant difference in BMSFI scores was observed.[30]

Fink et al. reported improved satisfaction (p=0.04). Half of the circumcised men reported benefits, while 38% reported harm. "Overall, 62% of men were satisfied with having been circumcised." Fink attributes the improved satisfaction to the respondee's aesthetic considerations and to a resolution of previous painful conditions.[5]

Cortés-González et al. found no statistically significant differences in terms of overall sexual satisfaction (p=0.15), pain during intercourse (p=0.23), or enjoyment of intercourse (p=0.32).[7]

Frisch et al. reported that circumcised and uncircumcised men were "equally likely to report incomplete sexual needs fulfilment in the last year".[33]

Peterson reported that, after adult circumcision, 46.4% of men were "very satisfied", 50% were "satisfied" and 3.5% were "very dissatisfied".[36]
[edit] Female preferences and response

O'Hara and O'Hara argue that foreskin is a natural gliding stimulator of the vaginal walls during intercourse, increasing a woman's overall clitoral stimulation and helping her achieve orgasm more quickly and more often. Without the foreskin's gliding action, they suggest, it can be more difficult for a woman to achieve orgasm during intercourse.[37] A study by psychologists Bensley & Boyle (2003) reported that vaginal dryness can be a problem when the male partner is circumcised.[38] Boyle & Bensley (2001) reported that the lack of a foreskin in the male partner produces symptoms similar to those of female arousal disorder.[verification needed] The authors hypothesized that the gliding action possibly involved intercourse with an uncircumcised partner might help prevent the loss of vaginal lubrication.[verification needed] They stated that the respondents were self-selected, and that larger sample sizes are needed.[24]

Cortés-González et al. studied 19 female partners of men scheduled for circumcision. They reported a significant reduction in vaginal lubrication following circumcision, from 78% to 63%, but found no statistically significant differences in "general sexual satisfaction, pain during vaginal penetration, desire, [or] vaginal orgasm".[39]

Kigozi et al. reported on a prospective study of 455 female partners of men circumcised as part of a randomised trial. 39.8% reported improved sexual satisfaction following circumcision, 57.3% reported no change, and 2.9% reported reduced sexual satisfaction after their partners were circumcised.[40]

Williamson et al. (1988) studied randomly selected young mothers in Iowa, where most men are circumcised, and found that 76% would prefer a circumcised penis for achieving sexual arousal through viewing it.[41] Wildman and Wildman (1976) surveyed 55 young women in Georgia, US, reporting that 47 (89%) of respondents preferred the circumcised penis (the remainder preferred the uncircumcised penis).[42] Bailey et al. report that there is a preference by women for circumcised men, mentioning that the circumcised penis enters a woman more easily and is less likely to cause injury to the vagina.[43][verification needed]

Frisch et al. (2011) studied participants in a Danish national health survey, and found that male circumcision was associated "with a range of frequent sexual difficulties in women, notably orgasm difficulties, dyspareunia and a sense of incomplete sexual needs fulfilment."[33]
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Re: Circumcised or not?

Postby E_Irizarry » Fri Aug 12, 2011 2:07 pm

Rock wrote:...She even told me she thought the foreskin would cause sanitation issues and lead to heightened disease risk....
Good luck.


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to what had escalated the fact that she had caught it was because the foreskin of his cock was dirty and retained a lot of bacterial cultures build-up.
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Re: Circumcised or not?

Postby momopi » Fri Aug 12, 2011 10:14 pm

well-informed wrote:I first want to apologize because i know this isn't a topic relating to foreign women, but is something that's affecting me personally as a young guy.
I'm 20 and i've always had a uncircumcised penis. Lately i've been thinking about getting surgery (not now but for the future), to get it circumcised.

- I personally don't like looking at my penis, not the size just it's head. I think circumcised visually looks better (no homo)
- I hate when i get bj's and her tongue touches the tip of my penis because it's so sensitive. I like flinch in pain, i hate that feeling.
- To me i think circumcised is better than uncircumcised when it comes to having sex because there's no skin to interfere. More comfortable

What do you guys think, is this something i should consider doing?
Have you had any similar experiences with this?
Pros and cons in having a circumcised penis or uncircumcised one?

I usually don't post questions about my personal life, so please be honest and respectful.
I just don't know who to ask about this personally. Just writing this makes me feel uncomfortable for some reason.



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Postby ladislav » Sat Aug 13, 2011 12:02 pm

I am not curcumcised- the foreskin is there for a reason. I ain't paying money for genital mutilation, either.
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Postby davewe » Wed Sep 21, 2011 2:16 am

For medical reasons, my then 4 year old son got circumcized. It aint like doing it to a baby. He was in great pain, the experience was traumatic, and his cock didn't go back to looking normal for a long time. I cannot imagine doing this in your 20s.

As to the fact that you are very sensitive, I am circumcised and am also very sensitive, so I don't know what the correlation is.

Think long and hard before going down this road.
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Postby well-informed » Wed Sep 21, 2011 7:58 pm

I've decided not to do such a thing. The pain and the idea of mutilating my own penis is just too much to bear and even think about. Also i love the sensation of my orgasms, so i wouldn't want to ever possibly decrease that. As well as possible side-effects that i wouldn't want myself

Thanks for the help and advice guys
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