Question to negro members

[ErikHeaven]

I think Africans are told to distrust my people before they get here. I heard that from a few people. Also Africans many of them think that they are better than African Americans and honestly many of them are with the high Math scores and science. I think we as a group just do not travel too much internationally.
I know plenty of older retired American Blacks who only talk about going "Down South" for family reunions. Or moving back down south after working 30 years in the north.
I think my people just got lazy as we are an ancient people. Time means nothing to us.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

African students in the US get mistreated by black people the worst and they have told me that it is very hard for them to make friends with them because US blacks are contemptuous of or hostile to them.

If that is true than it is only fair because African Americans are not necessarily treated well in Africa either (apart from a few countries like Ghana or Burkina Faso).

You don't have to take my word for it. Keith Richburg, a journalist for the New York Times, wrote Out Of America: A Black Man Confronts Africa. It was about this very subject.

But for a few educated and western-minded Africans, they can go to hell with the rest of the world's troglodytes.

But most importantly Ladislav, why are Ukranian Students mistreated by Russians? Why are Chinese students mistreated by Ukrainians? Why are (you get the point).

Unless you are an unmitigated racialist (the jury is still out) black Americans owe no special treatment of Africans than white Americans for eastern Europeans. Have you considered how whites treat them in US colleges and universities? Read some accounts and find out. And if my own experience is of any value, black Americans were the most hospitable to Africans of all Americans. I went to a black university and scores of Africans come back year after year so your claim that they are mistreated is more perception than reality.

[E_Irizarry]

I don't understand why African Americans hate Africans and are afraid of Africa. If making money online and finding an eastern european woman wasn't a current priority for me, I'd be heading there right now. It's not as jaded as Europe/Asia or even South America. I'll stick out like a sore thumb there and I still want to go. Why don't people share this view? They think they'll catch aids?? I'm not even talking about going for women, just going to visit! People seem to think they'll end up being cooked on a bonfire if they travel there.

It's really quite embarrassing how people are MISERABLE and disconnected from their being in the developed city, and want to escape it by going to another metropolis (i.e. London or Berlin). I'll never understand that. They complain about Kazakhstan, Philippines, Russia having bad infrastructure or whatever, when that is exactly the appeal. It's sustainable living, not built on credit and theft. All technology and fancy architecture does is further distance people from each other.

Soapbox diaries: So do you think Africans are niggers, too?

[Rock]

I don't understand why African Americans hate Africans and are afraid of Africa. If making money online and finding an eastern european woman wasn't a current priority for me, I'd be heading there right now. It's not as jaded as Europe/Asia or even South America. I'll stick out like a sore thumb there and I still want to go. Why don't people share this view? They think they'll catch aids?? I'm not even talking about going for women, just going to visit! People seem to think they'll end up being cooked on a bonfire if they travel there.

It's really quite embarrassing how people are MISERABLE and disconnected from their being in the developed city, and want to escape it by going to another metropolis (i.e. London or Berlin). I'll never understand that. They complain about Kazakhstan, Philippines, Russia having bad infrastructure or whatever, when that is exactly the appeal. It's sustainable living, not built on credit and theft. All technology and fancy architecture does is further distance people from each other.

Yes, much of Africa is still...exotic, unlike most of the rest of abroad. Most of the world seems to be converging and that makes it more challenging to encounter unique experiences when travelling from country to country around the globe. But, there's always a price if you wanna experience thise. If you get seriously sick there (a high risk), its difficult to find reasonable medical care if you are not close to one of the bigger cities. And even there, its often lacking. Internet speeds are turtle slow in the urban centers and you will often do without in the boondocks. Violent crime rates are extremely high in many parts and as a white person or even black westerner (you stand-out in most places), you are considered rich making you an automatic mark. HIV rates are off-the-charts high in many of the countries and victims are readily visible in some of the local neighborhoods. Africa has exotic, mysterious, and beautiful sides connected to the local cultures and traditions. But it is absolutely full of dire misery and hardship too. Mean, cruel, and nasty shit goes down there in so many ways, shapes, and forms. Don't be fooled into thinking its some sort of non-spoiled paradise. The whole world is more or less messed-up.

[Adama]

In other words, for the majority it is insularism and provincialism. Their world is small and their understanding is colored ( no pun intended) by past experience in the US, and thus they have very narrow and myopic view of it. Add to it that geography is an electice in the US, and you've got a very dull situation on your hands.

I agree with this 100%. You worded that very eloquently. I think many black people tend to be (and this goes double for the Puerto Ricans) very narrow-minded about practically every subject to the point of sometimes being completely irrational. Even worse, personalities are almost built upon being oppositional and looking for racism in every action of another person. There will never be anything else to think about for most of them.

[Contrarian Expatriate]

In other words, for the majority it is insularism and provincialism. Their world is small and their understanding is colored ( no pun intended) by past experience in the US, and thus they have very narrow and myopic view of it. Add to it that geography is an electice in the US, and you've got a very dull situation on your hands.

I agree with this 100%. You worded that very eloquently. I think many black people tend to be (and this goes double for the Puerto Ricans) very narrow-minded about practically every subject to the point of sometimes being completely irrational. Even worse, personalities are almost built upon being oppositional and looking for racism in every action of another person. There will never be anything else to think about for most of them.

Written like a true intellect and a worldly gentleman

[odbo]

Are you DJ HIVES? Reveal yourself ODBO!

No, DJ Hives is black. I'm just a fan.

I watched a clip from ABC Australia couple years back about an African American woman who took her 3 kids, her mother, packed up her shit and took off to Ghana from NY. I remember thinking "wow, that's probably the only intelligent black woman I've seen". Instead of raising her kids in a toxic environment and choosing to feel helpless about the situation, or choosing to do what is seen as "successful", (focusing on work or getting way too much into college and becoming a brain-dead Marxist guidance counselor or some other leech), she made her own path. I'm sure everyone she knew thought she went insane. Anyways I couldn't find the clip but I found these two:

[swincor]

I don't understand why African Americans hate Africans and are afraid of Africa. If making money online and finding an eastern european woman wasn't a current priority for me, I'd be heading there right now. It's not as jaded as Europe/Asia or even South America. I'll stick out like a sore thumb there and I still want to go. Why don't people share this view? They think they'll catch aids?? I'm not even talking about going for women, just going to visit! People seem to think they'll end up being cooked on a bonfire if they travel there.

It's really quite embarrassing how people are MISERABLE and disconnected from their being in the developed city, and want to escape it by going to another metropolis (i.e. London or Berlin). I'll never understand that. They complain about Kazakhstan, Philippines, Russia having bad infrastructure or whatever, when that is exactly the appeal. It's sustainable living, not built on credit and theft. All technology and fancy architecture does is further distance people from each other.

Soapbox diaries: So do you think Africans are niggers, too?

Well, "nigger" is a racial epithet that refers specifically to blacks. Not that I use the term myself, but its meaning is pretty clear cut IMO.

BTW I agree with NorthAmericanguy: blacks will never thrive in American society or in any European-based society. The reforms of the 1950s and 1960s that were meant to uplift blacks were a failure, and I think a lot of whites are coming round to that view too. Especially with the flash mobs taking place, which is clearly a racial hate attack by blacks against whites. The best thing is for blacks to go their own way, separate from white society, and form their own communities away from whites.

[odbo]

Several of your premises are FALSE and smack of collectivism. That is not a good thing.

First, Black Americans tend to be the LEAST skeptical of the federal government and they therefore expect government to provide for them and protect them more than most.

I would sound like an asshole anyway I put it. The population is purposely divided on wedge issues. This results in contradictions and stupidity beyond any comprehension.

Typical conservative: wants to ban drugs but legalize guns. Doesn't want taxes but will support any war. Wants to ban abortions because it's cruel and evil, while continuing to make fun of vegetarians and tree huggers. They also vote for more cops.

Typical liberal: wants to legalize everything including drugs and abortions, but ban guns and eventually meat and personal automobiles. Strongly against traditional/conservative values but not against schooling and strongly pro public education and state schools for everyone. So they're for drug and gender freedom, but against freedom from public transportation or state education.

White Americans are not really against the government. Only some college revolutionaries who want something even worse than what we have, or a rare intellectual anarchist/anti-statist. But outside of those rare "weirdos", white Americans might be against the current regime, but they will always maintain a slave-like loyalty to the system. African Americans are the only consistent skeptics/pessimists, at least they were prior catching the Obama disease circa-2007. Black Americans know it's bullshit, that's why they expect government to provide them with checks and services. White Americans BELIEVE in the system, that's why they're always listening to AM radio political talk shows and worrying about wasted tax dollars, and illegals not paying income tax, and so on. People who are skeptical in the system don't waste their time trying to fix it.

Outside of being pro-O.J. and pro-affirmative action, I doubt you'll get too many black people interested in the politics of this country. Only as far as voting Democrat. They won't actually know any of the policies, but they do know Republicans are racist so they vote for Clinton. And women are always attracted to big government, which is why women should be barred from voting on critical issues.

In conclusion, the Tea Party is not real skepticism. Blacks here are skeptical of the courts, the schools, the hospitals, THE SYSTEM. Whites are only skeptical of, or rather angry at, the current regime, but always hopeful for the next. This delusion has spread to the blacks thanks to Obama. Hope in a system like this, is there anything more irrational?

[swincor]

which is why women should be barred from voting on critical issues.

Women should be barred from voting on ALL issues.

They should also be barred from holding political office, or any position where they have authority over men.

[ladislav]

I watched a clip from ABC Australia couple years back about an African American woman who took her 3 kids, her mother, packed up her shit and took off to Ghana from NY. I remember thinking "wow, that's probably the only intelligent black woman I've seen".

She is intelligent in some ways but if that is her on youtube.com, she needs to get over what happened 500 years ago as well as see things from a global perspective and stop "going the Holocaust" on the world. Otherwise, it is the same whine that the Jews do onto the public that had nothing to do with their martyrdom And also, slavery was very common in those days. It was not as easy as an " evil Europeans took blacks as slaves". In Africa different tribes enslaved each other and sold each other. In Europe you had serfs, the same thing, basically. And Barbary pirates out of North Africa took over one million Europeans as slaves and sold them. Romans took slaves from neighboring countries and so did Greeks.

She forgot one rule of emigration/expatriation- leave your racial/ethnic/class complexes behind. Start a new life afresh. This is expected from immigrants to the US and emigrants out of the US.

Most Africans were actually taken to South America and not to North America and the modern Latin America blacks are not doing the martyr act there. They are not traveling to Ghana and Senegal and wailing at the slave trading post. Probably because they are not the slaves, are now called just Brazilians and Panamanians, not treated as a separate "nationality" and have nothing in common with Africa.

If she decides to stay, she will also have to comply with visa regulations and see if she, as an American qualifies.

And for Africans to stand proud, they need to develop science, manufacturing and service industries and stop tribal hatred. They also need to control corruption. Otherwise, no one will respect them.

[E_Irizarry]

I don't understand why African Americans hate Africans and are afraid of Africa. If making money online and finding an eastern european woman wasn't a current priority for me, I'd be heading there right now. It's not as jaded as Europe/Asia or even South America. I'll stick out like a sore thumb there and I still want to go. Why don't people share this view? They think they'll catch aids?? I'm not even talking about going for women, just going to visit! People seem to think they'll end up being cooked on a bonfire if they travel there.

It's really quite embarrassing how people are MISERABLE and disconnected from their being in the developed city, and want to escape it by going to another metropolis (i.e. London or Berlin). I'll never understand that. They complain about Kazakhstan, Philippines, Russia having bad infrastructure or whatever, when that is exactly the appeal. It's sustainable living, not built on credit and theft. All technology and fancy architecture does is further distance people from each other.

Soapbox diaries: So do you think Africans are niggers, too?

Well, "nigger" is a racial epithet that refers specifically to blacks. Not that I use the term myself, but its meaning is pretty clear cut IMO.

BTW I agree with NorthAmericanguy: blacks will never thrive in American society or in any European-based society. The reforms of the 1950s and 1960s that were meant to uplift blacks were a failure, and I think a lot of whites are coming round to that view too. Especially with the flash mobs taking place, which is clearly a racial hate attack by blacks against whites. The best thing is for blacks to go their own way, separate from white society, and form their own communities away from whites.

So are you yielding to the point that you think that AFricans are niggers too just because they are black? Let's get something straight, and most of you guys on here may disagree with me. I feel that no matter how broad their nose is, no matter how dark Africans are, I don't see them as niggers. When I see a Black American literally butchering up the English language, lack of etiquette and mannerisms, acting rambunctious as all-get-out, then that's a nigger. Africans just aren't incorrigibly f***ed up like their Black American counterparts although many Africans have problems and corruption. But at least I see a people that are more business-savvy and can keep a business afloat better than their Black American counterparts. Most Africans, even in the former English colonies in Africa at least still believe in a patriarchy! and most of the African women are still feminine whereas the Black American woman: no comment.

[E_Irizarry]

I watched a clip from ABC Australia couple years back about an African American woman who took her 3 kids, her mother, packed up her shit and took off to Ghana from NY. I remember thinking "wow, that's probably the only intelligent black woman I've seen".

She is intelligent in some ways but if that is her on youtube.com, she needs to get over what happened 500 years ago as well as see things from a global perspective and stop "going the Holocaust" on the world. Otherwise, it is the same whine that the Jews do onto the public that had nothing to do with their martyrdom And also, slavery was very common in those days. It was not as easy as an " evil Europeans took blacks as slaves". In Africa different tribes enslaved each other and sold each other. In Europe you had serfs, the same thing, basically. And Barbary pirates out of North Africa took over one million Europeans as slaves and sold them. Romans took slaves from neighboring countries and so did Greeks.

She forgot one rule of emigration/expatriation- leave your racial/ethnic/class complexes behind. Start a new life afresh. This is expected from immigrants to the US and emigrants out of the US.

Most Africans were actually taken to South America and not to North America and the modern Latin America blacks are not doing the martyr act there. They are not traveling to Ghana and Senegal and wailing at the slave trading post. Probably because they are not the slaves, are now called just Brazilians and Panamanians, not treated as a separate "nationality" and have nothing in common with Africa.

If she decides to stay, she will also have to comply with visa regulations and see if she, as an American qualifies.

And for Africans to stand proud, they need to develop science, manufacturing and service industries and stop tribal hatred. They also need to control corruption. Otherwise, no one will respect them.

Brazilians, Panamanians, Afro-Ecuadorians, Afro-Colombians, Afro-Venezuelans/zambitos have a lot of African culture even until this day! So to say that they have "nothing" in common is a form of absurdity.

Black Americans almost have nothing in common with Africans.

[NorthAmericanguy]

which is why women should be barred from voting on critical issues.

Women should be barred from voting on ALL issues.

They should also be barred from holding political office, or any position where they have authority over men.

+1

[NorthAmericanguy]

White Americans BELIEVE in the system, that's why they're always listening to AM radio political talk shows and worrying about wasted tax dollars, and illegals not paying income tax, and so on.

Right, because it's their society and they have a vested interest in it. Their relatives died as Americans on the battle fields, they have retirement money invested in Wall Street, they have property on this land that was in the family for generations, they have good jobs here, and they have children who they have to look after and build futures for.

So in other words, I have found that the greater a persons success, and personal investment they have in America, the more likely they will be involved in politics and participate in the system. It's only natural that these people try to find any way they can to preserve their way of life.