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I had a pretty 19 year old come onto me strongly last year in Ukraine and I'm 55, but then I've had pretty 19 year olds come onto me strongly in the United States too. In neither case was I flaunting money, so I'm not sure what these girls wanted. The problem is what to do with young girls. I have absolutely nothing to say to them and they will be jumpy in bed and altogether a nuisance to deal with. Plus they are all addicted to their smartphones. These were chance events that I didn't follow up on.
There is no shortage of good looking young men in Ukraine, so I don't think it will be that easy for older guys to get sustained relationships with young girls, though maybe chance encounters (like those 19 yos who came onto me) where the girl wants to try an old man as an experiment might be possible. I think a man who really wants young flesh, whether in Ukraine or the USA, should try seekingarrangement.com.
I'd sure like to know the details of those encounters. I'm 48 and I couldn't even make a 19-year-old girl aware of my existence. And I look very young for my age!
Why would you turn down free women in favor of veiled prostitution? I know that many men think they are paying for it either way, but that doesn't nullify the question. Why's an arrangement better than a woman who simply offers herself to you freely?
Maybe there is something I don't know about being 55. However, I think it would be a dream for me to be 55 and get hit on by 19 year old women, as long as they aren't sociopathic. I'd imagine those women could have given you all you wanted for free.
Your post also proves that men don't need to go abroad and that they don't necessarily need prostitutes either.
Same here. I call B.S. on Frank's story. Especially the part where he says 19-year-old American girls were coming on to him.
I was at some conversation group and some girl came and sat next me, started pushing up against me, putting her hands on me. All she knew was I was American, because her English and my Russian were both bad. I wasn't looking for a girl then, she picked me. Same as the girl in the United States. I was bicycle touring, probably stank from 2 days camping, looked like a homeless guy with all my dusty gear. Came and sat close to me on the terrace at some cafe, touching my legs to see if they were muscular from all the bicycling, etc.
There are lots of reasons for girls to EXPERIMENT with older guys. With a young guy, they might fall in love. With an old guy, they can experiment with sex with little risk of getting deeply involved. Many other reasons.
But what's in it for me, other than being able to boast I screwed a 19 year old? I have money. I can screw 19 year old any time I want by paying for it. Free sex just means everything is awkward, because I have to take her desires into account, and those desires are complex in the case of a very young girl going after an older man. Anyway, partner sex is little better than masturbation unless there is a personality connection, and the connection with a huge age difference is non-existent.
Like I said, I didn't seek these girls, they sought me, so I have no advice to offer about how to get them, other than be in good physical condition, meaning lean and muscular. I was terribly dressed like I said with the one in the United States and not much better with the one in Ukraine. I'm bald and average face. And I've encountered tons of other young girls in the United States and abroad who were interested in me, that I suppose I could have gotten for free if I wanted them, and there are tons on seekingarrangement and the escort services in Ukraine or the brothels everywhere in Europe and Asia that I can get by paying. I just don't find young women that sexy compared to women in their 30's and 40's. And all women are becoming increasingly unattractive due to the smartphone plague (he says as he types this comment in using his smartphone...).
Another thing. Back in San Francisco, I twice ran into guys in their 50's, in the United States, who were NOT in top physical condition like me, who were besieged by young girls 18-21 who want to have sex with them. I saw one with a new girl every night at the salsa clubs. Girls tend to be herd animals, so what may be happening is one girl has sex with this old guy and tells her friends and them the others all want to try. I suspect the guy is going to eventually feel used. Imagine a fat girl who the whole football team wants to experiment with sexually, to see what a fatty is like, then gossip about her later.
I think it is true, just that he doesn't value the things which we value. I would definitely value having a 19 year old woman in my life who wasn't digging for gold and who's there voluntarily. I wouldn't want to pay for it in Charlie Sheen fashion. I actually like women who aren't completely nuts, and it is really a good thing when you have one who wants to make you happy, which makes you want to make them happy. Some men don't value you that, which I don't understand.
I wouldn't discount things just because of the American nationality. Even if only 1% are worth anything, that is still millions of women.
Polygyny is easy if you find the right girl. However, it is doubtful that men feel used in that way like you describe. It should feel like an honor when multiple young, attractive women are interested in a man. I know when young, attractive women come on to me I feel honored, especially if there is more than one. I wouldn't feel like a rejected obese person, but the opposite.
I am 56 now, and I was in UA at the end of May. I met a 26 y.o. at a park. I asked her to show me where I could by bread to feed the pigeons. She gave me directions but I couldn't find it. I went back and said I didn't see the place. She took me personally and was asking me this and that question. Then, she asked me if I wanted to take her to the movies. Anyway, she's been writing to me all the time now that I'm in the USA.
A nice girl. When I told her my age, though, she shook her head and just refused to hear it. Like- don't even start. She didn't want to even believe it.
It was in a provincial town though. The thing was I found too few things to talk to her about. She was basically just talking about the farm and the cucumbers that grow there and all kinds of such rural things. At the same, time, if you keep an open mind, you can explore her world, too.
Lviv was not a good place for girls because people there look kind of Celtic mixed with Croats. Narrow faces, grey skin, sharp noses. Many good looking guys, but not many pretty girls. Odessa also seems to have exhausted the number of girls. Vinnitsa had many. All the time and everywhere. Also, Dnepropetrovsk. But the best looking ones are still in Kiev.
A brain is a terrible thing to wash!
I noticed that about Odessa. I was there 3 years ago and didn't see a lot of hotties. I wish that I had visited Kiev when the weather was warmer. I went there in February 2013 and all of the women were covered up in heavy winter clothing, so I couldn't even tell whether or not they were pretty
The best looking and easiest women in UA are Russian, according to my research you have to go to rebel held territory to meet quality promiscuous women.
Real Ukranian women, ones you fine in Lviv, look and act like some sort of hybrid mix of Croatian,Polish and Czech women.
Met Ukranian from Lviv on Tinder a few weeks ago, milf in her late 30s...so feminized that killed my bonner instantly. Stay away from Catholic UA women
Isnt this up to you? Why would you even contemplate such a victim based thought process? Its pretty clear there are tons of beautiful women in ukraine, so why wouldnt you?
All the answers that come after that question should be mercilessly attacked and shifted if you want to optimize your chances at success
You nailed it. Now, keep in mind that not all territory populated by ethnic Russians in Ukraine is held by the rebels. Dnipropetrovsk ( now called Dnipro) and towns around it are just fine. Also, in Kherson, there are many ethnic Russians. Pretty much all of Southeast. They do look great. Now, do keep in mind that even though they are of Russian descent, they are not really Russian. They are Ukrainians now and present a strange mixture of characteristics. They look as good as real Russian girls and are freer and easier to date. They also speak Russian at home albeit it's not "real" Russian. So much is true. But they usually have never been to Russia, their parents often have not been to Russia and they are basically daughters of the Ukrainian soil. They know little about Russia. When they say " I'm Russian" , it's like a person from Brooklyn saying "I'm Italian" . Don't be fooled by her "Russianness".
They are heavily Ukrainianized. Means: individualistic, more spoiled by guys, more reserved, way less romantic, way less soulful, and also less sophisticated. Only the peasant Russians were sent to colonize Ukraine and they quickly learned the practical, selfish and rugged UA ways. Ukrainian Russians and real Russians is like Aussies and Brits.
Lviv and the areas around it are not that great. You look at their faces and they don''t look East Slavic at all, true. Most are really Croats by blood, even though they are the most virulent Ukrainian patriots.
The only good looking girl I met there was an ethnic Russian from Dnipro. Lviv is really Central Europe, not Eastern Europe. Having said that, it's still way easier there than in the USA. You can chat with strange girls, and they are not afraid of men. They smile at you in the park, also. A very sweet young, blonde hotel attendant takes you to your room, helps you carry your things and then walks inside of your room to show you where everything is. No fear, no mistrust.
You can even start talking to sales girls about unrelated topics and they accept the conversation and begin to respond. They give you their number, no problem. Now, they may not respond when you call them and just tell you to buzz off.
But no matter how stuck up a girl is, unlike Anglo girls who look down on men just because these are men, they never do that. Wars have taught them to view every man as a defender who lays his life on a battlefield. Thus, they will never become Anglo bitches, no matter what.
A brain is a terrible thing to wash!