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Postby Rock » Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:07 am

Winston wrote:Yeah but Rock, Shawn admitted that he finds the lack of eye contact in Taiwan to be alienating and lonely, remember? I posted comments from him about that before. Did you see them? Yes he's dated women, but he doesn't claim that picking up girls in Taiwan is easy. He says he meets them on FB or at social functions, not by cold approach. Remember that over 99 percent of guys don't cold approach and don't think it's even an appropriate topic. Also, he doesn't date girls that look like the hot ones I posted in this thread.

He doesn't know you well, and you haven't exposed your vulnerability to him, so of course he's not going to tell you all that. He also said that he has to go to the Philippines sometimes cause it's less lonely there. Remember? You saw his own words. Why do you need to figure out the reasons why, when they are obvious?

How come you don't know a single person who finds Taiwanese girls to be stuck up except me? The friend that went with me to those massage parlors agreed with what I said too. It's a no brainer. Taiwanese girls are LESS open than girls in most of the other 200 countries of the world. It's very obvious.

So why is it so easy for everyone you know? The vibe here is complicated and difficult. Surely you must have felt the same, both here and in Hong Kong.

When you wave and smile and say hi to random girls you want to flirt with, how do they usually react to you? Do they always flirt back?

Are you claiming that Taiwanese girls are open and easy like in other countries, to everyone except me? lol Come on now...

Why don't you and your friends try approaching girls that look like this, and see how far you get?



Do you really think that girls that look like that are approachable to strangers? lol

I'm sure older women in their 30's are more open and less shy. We all know that. But I like girls who are on the attractiveness level of the young girls I met in Russia who are featured in my photo collage:

http://www.happierabroad.com/ebook/Collage.htm

That's the kind of girls I'm talking about. Try approaching those types, such as the girl in the veggie cafe you see above.

I have many girls' phone numbers, both in Taiwan and the US, but it doesn't mean anything. Either way, it's not easy. Why are you reluctant to admit that? Why do you like to portray Taiwan as easy when it obviously isn't?

Finally, if Taiwan is so easy for everyone, why can't you tell me how to get the tons of Taiwanese girls on my facebook to go out with me rather than just leave me as a FB friend? It's easy right? So why can't you tell me?

Suppose I were to give you phone numbers of a number of TW girls I know. Would you be able to get dates with them easily? Yes or no? Would your friends who score easily in TW be able to get dates with them easily by contacting them, just like that?

Nothing good is easy you know. Don't you know that?

Also, when I was 17 and in Taiwan for a year, I didn't notice that TW girls were more approachable to strangers. Their body language was still the same, very uptight. Why is that?

And how come you say Taipei is more open, yet other people say that Taipei big city people are less friendly than people in the countryside? Why is that? Who is right and who is wrong? How come other people say the opposite?


1. He didn't say anything to me about lack of eye contact in Taiwan. But if it really bothers him so much, why is he here, where it's not even legal for him to fly, instead of PI or somewhere else where he can do it easily and cheaply? BTW, I also asked him straight-up why you are so down on Taiwan and he told me more than once that he thinks you are extremely pessimistic. Also he felt that your experiences as a Chinese looking guy in Taiwan will be very different from that of a westerner.

2. BTW, I have met guys who think Taiwan girls are stuck-up. One of my friends who now lives in Thailand thought the Taiwanese are very rude (men and women) and he couldn't stand them. But even he achieved a lot of intimate dates with local girls. And of course, I do also know foreign guys who don't get much dating or intimacy with girls here. My advice, focus on the winners and cut the losers. Why do u wanna hang around a bunch of people who fail in Taiwan - so you can commiserate with them? Change em' or move on to that new country.

3. Well, if Shawn meets lots of local girls via FB or social functions, why don't you do the same thing? Cus it sounds like he's doing OK from what he related to me. There's more than one way to skin a cat. He has small child with Taiwan woman down in Kaoxhiung and dates various local girls in Taipei. Nobody said you have to cold approach. Just find a bunch of successful people, and try whatever it is they are doing to meet, date, and get intimate with Taiwan girls.

4. As for your "99% of guys don't cold approach and don't think it's even an appropriate topic" you can refer to my 2 very recent posts in your "12 logical reasons..." thread where I addressed your ?s as you requested by PM and put down some more info. I'm just curious though, where did you get that particular stat, "99% of guys..."? Did you read it somewhere? Or did you survey all your friends and acquaintances?

The experience and opinions of those who you know or those who I know boils down to anecdotal accounts, not hard stats based on a large sample size. Plus, your backyard is a 3rd tier hick town while I'm in Taiwan's international city. Our circles will likely be mostly different. In my group of contacts and friends, a high percentage have cold approached Taiwan girls. Hell, I just met one yesterday, a Taiwanese kid, lol! If you have, say, 500 friends who find it impossible to approach Taiwan girls and I have another 500 who do approach Taiwan girls, what does that tell you - your friends don't and my friends do, nothing more. Or perhaps just half my friends do, then what? Well, if our combined 1,000 friends is the sample, then 25% of guys do and 75% don't. Some guys do and others don't (again, read my recent posts in other thread). I don't care much about eye contact and approachability as long as I can score in one way or another without resorting to P4P.

5. I like to associate with success cases and winners. They inspire me. That's probably why the people I refer to in Taiwan are so different than your friends who you so love to commiserate with.

6. I generally don't flirt with strangers unless they give me positive signs right off the bat. I make friends with them and try to advance things over time (see my latest 2 posts on your "12 Logical..." thread).

7. No, I'm not claiming that "Taiwanese girls are easy and open like in other countries to everyone except...". Again, read my latest 2 posts on your "12 Logical..." thread to see what exactly I have claimed or am claiming.

8. I did have luck with some girls who looked similar your example(s) in the photo before. Assuming she is 18-22, that would be a reasonable target for me when I had my high paying job and was younger. But age gaps matter a lot to most Taiwan girls I believe. Career matters too. If my 18 year old local friend from yesterday approached her, she would probably be nice to him and maybe even find him cute. But, as far as romance is concerned, she would likely put him in the "little brother" zone. If another guy who looked like a regular 35-40 yr. old local approached her too directly, she might be genuinely scared and put-off. She's probably gonna find it creepy unless the guy happens to be her exact spec and she's a little bit alternative. But if an up-and-coming and decent looking 27-32 year old dude who oozed of success somehow (dress, biz card, etc.) approached her in a friendly (not flirtatious) manner, expressed interest in knowing her better, dropped his card, and exited within 5-10 minutes, she just might bite. In the last case, she might even offer-up her digits actively.

9. BTW, Monkro approached a lot of girls who look similar to your photos below. He even brought one back to his room (a very tall, slim, and youthful looking 30 year old) but did not get intimate with her. Some of his approachees and even dates have been from the '18-21 dolled-up diva set', lol.

10. I don't think Taiwan is so easy, but it's certainly doable for many at least. The sweet spot is my "certain guys" definition as per my last 2 posts in your "12 Logical..." thread. But I think others can have luck here too. For example, it sound's like Momopi has done fine in spite of only visiting Taiwan on very short trips over the years.

11. If you want me to cold approach girls you point out right in front of you, I can do it if they are alone and adult. Maybe it will make you feel better to see me get shot-down. And who knows, I might even get lucky, which would make me feel better, lol.

12. When you were 17, you just looked like a local kid. Perhaps a western boy gets more special attention and won't feel the negative vibes the way you did. For dating the 18-21 bracket girls, I think it's much better to look like a 20 something than an under- age kid. Younger teenagers are usually a lot less free, tend to have harsh curfews, and can't get into clubs.

13. A lot of local people you ask in Taiwan will tell you that southerners are a lot more friendly and hospitable than people from the Taipei-Hsinchu metro area. But I just don't feel as comfortable in the south. I find many people down there to be more closed, conservative, lower class, less educated, more emotional, and harder to relate to, etc. They are not as used to westerners and treat foreigners more like an oddity. The south also has a a more visible gangster presence and less effective police forces. I can't stand binglang (beetle nut) and I don't like the sound of Taiwanese language (sorry). I see a higher number and percentage of more attractive women in Taipei who seem classier, more international, and easier to relate to as a foreigner. That's not to say Taiwan's south, especially larger cities such as Gaoxioing or Taichung are disaster zones. I just don't like them as much as Taipei for people and culture. But the differences aren't that extreme. It's still Taiwan. And the weather down there is a lot better too.
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Yoiur PM about Yuki's blog

Postby Rock » Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:07 pm

Winston, as you requested by email, I called the number on Yuki's blog to ask about the girls you are interested it. Looks like a classic bait and switch.

You can have a girl sent to your place incall for NT$4,000 per hour. But it's not those on the blog. If you must have one of them, you need to book in advance - generally weeks to months (as they have a wait-list are just occasional part-timers). The fee for one of them is around NT$15,000-20,000 per hour according to what she told me. She was pushing the regular girls pretty hard so I'm not even sure if those blog girls are available at all.

If u really must have P4P in Taiwan, u need to find someone who has an inside track on that type of stuff.
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Postby momopi » Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:58 pm

Winston wrote:How would you know if she isn't comfortable exchanging numbers? Do you ask first? I was asking what YOU would do. If you were in Taiwan for a long time, would you ask a girl for her number when you first meet her? You told me before that you wouldn't.


Depends. If I meet a girl at Starbucks in Taipei or on a flight, most likely we'd exchange e-mail & MSN to start (back when MSN was popular). But if I were being introduced to my college friend's social group, I wouldn't be a stranger and have more time to engage girls in conversation to perk their interest and find out what activities they like, then I'd ask to exchange #'s to arrange future social outings with fewer distractions.

You can also evaluate the situation by observing how she talks to you and her body language, or steer the conversation toward something that would require you giving or exchanging contact information with her. i.e. if I offered to take a girl fishing on a boat, obviously I'd need to exchange #'s with her to arrange the time and date.



Winston wrote:What does being Muslim have to do with this? This isn't about religion. This is about cold uptight complicated NE personality. I've never met a Muslim girl as uptight as a NE Asian girl. Just because a girl comes from a strict conservative religion doesn't mean she's uptight and cold toward strangers. Come on now. Man, you really don't get it on this one. Religion has nothing to do with this. Even atheist NE Asians are cold, repressed and uptight. Errr! Bad comparison.


Guess you've never been to countries where the taxi's have stickers that read "NO KISSING IN TAXI", and sitting at the park with your GF attracts the morality police who'd stand in front of you flipping his citation book as a warning. As a man you are a non-Mahram person of the opposite gender. Flirting is zina, vocal zina, and zina of the eyes. Haraam!
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Postby gredman » Wed Aug 15, 2012 6:18 pm

Winston wrote:
momopi wrote:
Winston wrote:I never asked for her number. I started by asking for her Facebook because that's the polite way to start off. Momopi told me that he doesn't ask Taiwanese girls for their phone number off the bat either, he starts by asking for their MSN. That's the way it works here. No one here starts dating right away either, it's always friends first, esp with the young girls. In Asia, friends first is the norm.
At least she's responding to me on Facebook. Many Taiwanese girls don't respond to me at all.
I don't understand how you are supposed to enjoy your life when you are young, or find love, in Taiwanese society, when it is rigged for a life of work, work, work to the point that people are too busy all the time. It's stupid.


I don't ask for the cell phone # upfront because I don't live in TW. I'm usually only there for 1-2 weeks at a time. So when I fly back to the US, I chat with the girl via MSN or Skype for few months, then fly back to visit. By then the girl will have already given me her # so I can call her when I land in Taipei. If she had no interest in me, she wouldn't have continued to chat with me online for that long to begin with.

Since I'm the visitor, it's usually the girl who is expected to show me around and take me to places. She may possibly arrive with a relative as chauffeur. My ex in Taipei was an extreme case where her parents came and took us to the hot springs in Wulai, and I found myself sitting nakked with her father in the Sauna. Not only did her parents wanted to screen me, they also wanted to, um, discretely do an inspection to make sure that I don't have physical defects that may be inherited by their possible future grand children. Once I passed the parental test, they were OK with me taking their daughter on 2 week vacations to China, knowing that we'd be sleeping together. But I made it clear upfront that I was courting her for marriage, so this may or may not apply to your situation. Another girl I dated in Taichung, her mother came with her to pick me when I went to visit her in Taichung. Afterwards her parents did not object to her coming to the US to visit me & stay at my place.

As for what to do in your situation, if I were you I'd ask her what she does for fun, places to visit, etc., and ask her if she could take you. Since you have a car, that makes it much easier for you to drive around ("have car, will take you to places"). When I was in TW, I was stuck taking public transportation and Taxi's.


What if you lived in TW? Would you ask for her number immediately? You said it was inappropriate to do that right? That you had to start off slow with MSN right?

It's not that simple, esp with younger girls. They easily flake and make excuses and can always claim to be busy. Or they have a boyfriend or are just very picky. I guess I can make small talk. But how do you make it lead to anywhere?

gredman wrote:Winston, aren't you married with children?


No why do you think that? I never ever said on this forum that I was married. Strange misconception.

Naoki wrote:That's why I hate NE Asian culture, I hate being a Japanese guy.
I aspire to be an Eastern European guy. Because you can have an easier life rather than waste it on bunch of boring and pointless piece shits like study, work, study, work.....etc.

Also, women here are beautiful, gorgeous, sexy and approachable unlike those cold, short-legged bitches in my country.

I've heard that Chinese people hate Japanese because of WWII.
So, do Chinese girls hate Japanese guys?


Yeah I noticed it's like that in Japan too. Now you know what Taiwan is like. The vibe is similar, except Japan is even more strict and cold and uptight, I hear. NE Asian females are overly complicated, difficult and have strange vibes. They are not fun and free flowing at all. Far from it.

You aren't allowed to say this though. There is an unspoken social rule that everywhere you go, you have to say that "The people are so friendly!" It's really stupid that you can't tell the truth publicly.

I think it's mostly Chinese men, esp older men, that hold a grudge against the Japanese for WWII. Women don't care about history or patriotism or wars. They don't even like war movies. As long as Japanese men have status, class and looks, that's what matters to women. Chinese women could care less about history. Chinese see Japanese culture as higher class anyway, and status is everything to them. I don't think most people are that nationalistic anyway.



Sorry, I guess I saw pictures of you with some girl named Dianne holding a baby together...
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Postby pete98146 » Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:26 pm

Winston wrote:I like cold approach. Rock says cold approach is easy here.


More power to you then Winston! I've always had good luck dating with a long list of girlfriends thruout the years. I can recall only ONE girl that I met using the cold approach and it lasted 2 months. All the others I've met thru doing activities or I was introduced via friends. I always found the cold approach the least effective way to meet women.
Adding insult to injury it also gets more difficult the older you become.

But you know what Winston, I'm sure it was just me having poor results with the cold approach. You sound like you've got it all figured out! Best of luck man....
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Re: Yoiur PM about Yuki's blog

Postby Winston » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:07 pm

Rock,
Whoa. Hold on a second here. You seem to have some double standards here.

1. First, of course Shawn isn't going to reveal his innermost vulnerabilities, doubts and worries in person the first time he meets you. Come on now. What did you expect? He is a private and reserved person, not an open book like me. Put yourself in his place. If you met a tall decent looking polished fellow who acted very positive, like yourself, would you admit all your vulnerabilities to him? lol. Two guys who meet for the first time are going to show their best face first. You know that. It's common sense.

You saw the two letters I posted from him. I posted them in at least 3 threads, including the "12 logical reasons" one. Do you remember it? You aren't trying to deny it and pretend they don't exist are you? You can go to that thread and read them again. Do you need to copy and paste them in this thread too? Did you even read them? If so, you erased them from your memory afterward right? lol

Correct me if I'm wrong, but are you trying to say that if he tells me one thing by email, but doesn't tell you during a first meeting at lunch, that he must not mean what he told me by email? lol. Come on now. Surely you aren't claiming that are you? If you are, then common sense has been lost in this discussion. If not, then why do you sound like you are challenging what Shawn said in his own words to me, which others here have read too, just because he didn't say the same to you?

Why do you act like someone saying that Taiwan is lonely and alienating is an abnormal claim and an aberration? The Taiwanese don't deny that they are cold to strangers and don't make eye contact. So why is it something unusual for you to hear, to the point where you want to deny it? It doesn't make sense. Can you explain logically? Why do you try to sweep that under the rug?

Why does the fact that Shawn admitted that he felt lonely and alienated in Taiwan at times, threaten your paradigm? I don't get it. Why do you try to sweet such statements under the rug and invalidate them?

Here is what he said again, verbatim in his own words:

"ya, this is kind of the way Taiwan is. or, i should say Chinese society and probably east asian society (i.e., korea, japan, china). i've actually tried to explain it too. chinese are very very nice and helpful if they know you personally. if you are a friend, they will really bend over backwards to be nice and helpful. but, for people they dont know, there really is zero connection. the reason i know that is because if you go in an elevator, you will see lots of girls fixing their makeup or their hair in the mirror with lots of other people in the elevator. they have zero self-consciousness about the other people in the elevator because they dont know them and its like they dont exist. for us, we would not be able to do that just because we would still feel their presence. but, for chinese, they dont know these people, therefore its like the dont exist.

you're right. it's tough. and it's one of the difficult things that ive had to deal with living in taiwan. and maybe why i like going to phil so often.

actually, i was just reading an article that a guy wrote in Japan that sounds very similar to experiences in Taiwan. you should check it out.

http://www.japantimes.co.jp/text/fl2012 ... E.facebook "


Notice above that he said "it's tough", not easy, and that it's one of the "difficult things" he had to deal with living in Taiwan. Do you see it? Why can't you acknowledge it? Why do you feel the need to sweep it under the rug?

He later wrote:

"yes, it does feel very isolated and lonely here. sometimes i walk by restaurants and see large groups of chinese having dinner after work and know that i will likely never be invited to those kinds of gatherings. i've even tried to invite myself along to events like that, but i usually get, "i'll see if my other friends are ok with it", which usually means no.

sure, i guess u can post what u wrote last time. as long as i can see the video u are talking about haha"


Do you see the words "isolated and lonely" above? Enough said.

You aren't claiming, are you, that if he didn't tell you those words during lunch, that they don't exist or that he never said them to me, right?

2. So Shawn has dated a lot of girls. So what? It doesn't mean all of them were hot dates that ended in hot sex. I dated A LOT of girls in the USA too, but most of them were one time meetings. I've also had three girlfriends in the US too. Does that mean that the US is a dating paradise where girls are easy to meet and date? Does that change the fact that most people, esp women, in the US don't talk to strangers unless its business related? Does that change the fact that loneliness and isolation are silent epidemics in the US?

3. It seems that you are blending different things together:

- "Getting a girlfriend is not impossible. It's possible to get a girlfriend."
- "Approaching and picking up girls in random public places (like I did in Russia) is very easy and flow naturally."

Those aren't the same claims. We have to differentiate them. Guys getting girlfriends doesn't disprove anything I said. I never said it was impossible for anyone to get a girlfriend in Taiwan. I merely said that most girls, esp good looking ones, don't like talking to strangers in Taiwan, and ARE NOT easy to chat up, flirt with and date in random public places. Everyone here knows that, even you know that. So what are we debating?

I could say the same about the USA, Hong Kong, Japan, etc. and it would be true. So how am I wrong? Where do we disagree exactly?

4. Did you just admit that you aren't objective on this issue, but biased, when you said "I like to stick with winners, not losers"? When you said that, weren't you admitting that you have confirmation bias, like I claimed long ago? If so, I was right then. You cherry pick your data. If so, then why don't you do the same for USA and Hong Kong? Why don't you focus on the winners there too, rather than the complainers like us? lol

Remember when you told me before that you thought Mark Davis was being overly optimistic and unrealistic about the odds of finding a great wife in Ukraine? Well aren't you doing the same, esp when you admit that you cherry pick the data to suit a more optimistic view? Mark can also cherry pick by focusing on the successful marriages that he sees and ignoring the failures, (even if the failures outnumbered the successes) and one would expect him to since it's his business.

But you seem to be doing something similar with Taiwan, right? If so, then I was right all along. You aren't exactly objective on this issue, and that's been obvious all along.

5. You asked how I know that 99.99 percent of guys don't cold approach women in public. Well it's very simple:

a) I've met thousands of guys over the years, in different countries. I think I can count less than 5 guys who are brave enough to cold approach women in public on a regular basis. Most are also afraid to approach in clubs. Many on this forum have also concurred. Moreover, most cold approaches don't result in anything either.

b) Other than you, I've not seen one, NOT EVEN ONE, guy cold approach a girl in Taiwan for the purposes of trying to pick them up. NOT ONE! Why is that? Are you going to try to spin this one too?

Are you seriously trying to tell me that you know a ton of guys who cold approach women on a regular basis? I'd be very skeptical of that. I'm sure most guys here would too, esp when it's in regard to a culture where women are cold and difficult, which others here have confirmed too.

So if I went to Taipei, you could show me tons of guys who do cold approaches in public to pick up women, in Taiwan??? Would they be able to demonstrate it? Not even Momopi will chat up a female stranger without an "appropriate" opportunity. I've seen him and he's admitted that. Bottom line: It's not easy at all. You know that.

6. You never explained how in that thread with the photos from the Chiayi nightclub, why the 5 young white guys with us, which were fairly good looking, were getting cold shoulders from the Taiwanese girls there too. How do you explain that? How can you spin that or sweep it under the rug too?

7. So you've heard many Taiwanese say too, that people in Taipei are less friendly than those in southern Taiwan, right? Ok so how do you explain that then? How can many Taiwanese say the opposite of what you say? I would imagine though, that most Taiwanese who say that are not those in Taipei, not surprisingly. lol

You know, Shawn said the opposite as well. He said that Taipei is too used to foreigners and they no longer have novelty appeal there, so he thinks he would get more attention down in Chiayi. However, he is a serious and reserved type, not the type of guy who flirts, or seduces or uses sweet talk to charm girls. That's not his personality type.

Are you saying you find girls in Chiayi to be less friendly and open than in Taipei?

I guess this issue is similar to how, in America, you find this difference:

- Small town/rural area people will say that, "Big city people are more cold, rushed, impersonal, materialistic, and not as kind or friendly. But small town people in the country are more warm, caring, kind, hospitable, down to earth, laid back, natural, genuine, easy going, and have better values and family values."

- Big city people will say the opposite, that, "Big city people are more educated, sophisticated, cultured, intelligent, worldly, cosmopolitan, exposed to more cultures, and therefore will be more open-minded and sociable with different types of people. But people in small town rural areas are more backward, hickish, rigid, closed/narrow minded, racist, uneducated, uncultured, unsophisticated, cliquish, and not friendly outside their little cliques."

You notice that? I think there is truth in both views, but I'm not sure which one is more accurate.

I've been to Taipei many times, and didn't notice that the repressed uptight vibe was any different there. The buildings looked the same too. Only the streets were wider and the traffic more busy. Architecture in Asia looks pretty much the same everywhere, in small cities and big cities. Taipei is like 20 Chiayi's put next to each other. Sure it's more cosmopolitan with a subway, but the buildings, streets and everyday life are not much different. It's just busier. Other than Taipei 101, there aren't big city skyscrapers towering above you like in NYC. It doesn't have a big city feel, more like an "expanded" small city feel, like Chiayi copied over 20 times and laid side by side.

Anyway, thanks for addressing my questions. Sorry for all my critical questions, but to me they are very logical ones that get at the root of the issue.

Rock wrote:Winston, as you requested by email, I called the number on Yuki's blog to ask about the girls you are interested it. Looks like a classic bait and switch.

You can have a girl sent to your place incall for NT$4,000 per hour. But it's not those on the blog. If you must have one of them, you need to book in advance - generally weeks to months (as they have a wait-list are just occasional part-timers). The fee for one of them is around NT$15,000-20,000 per hour according to what she told me. She was pushing the regular girls pretty hard so I'm not even sure if those blog girls are available at all.

If u really must have P4P in Taiwan, u need to find someone who has an inside track on that type of stuff.


Thanks for doing that. That sounds really shady. I guess you are right that P4P generally sucks in Taiwan. But how would you know if you never tried P4P here? Or maybe you have but you just don't want to admit it. lol

Why do P4P businesses in Taiwan like using "bait and switch" so much? Don't they have a conscience? Taiwanese usually have morals and conscience. So why don't they have them in this area?

Btw, can you call the number on this page too? This girl is my perfect type. Each of the girls on this site has a different phone number, so maybe they are personalized numbers? If so, then there may not be any "bait and switch" tactics right? Can you call and find out what the deal is with this one too? And find out if the super gorgeous girl in the photos is really available?

http://tw.nightlife141.com/en/662/Taipe ... -Club-Coco

And also these super hot perfect looking types:

http://tw.nightlife141.com/en/606/Taipe ... -msg--NANA

http://tw.nightlife141.com/en/642/Taipe ... msg--suger

I wonder if those numbers are to agencies or pimps, or to their personal cell numbers?

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Postby Winston » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:17 pm

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Winston wrote:I like cold approach. Rock says cold approach is easy here.


More power to you then Winston! I've always had good luck dating with a long list of girlfriends thruout the years. I can recall only ONE girl that I met using the cold approach and it lasted 2 months. All the others I've met thru doing activities or I was introduced via friends. I always found the cold approach the least effective way to meet women.
Adding insult to injury it also gets more difficult the older you become.

But you know what Winston, I'm sure it was just me having poor results with the cold approach. You sound like you've got it all figured out! Best of luck man....


Oh no. I don't have it figured out in Taiwan. I was only good at cold approaches in Russia, Eastern Europe and the Philippines. In those areas, I felt that I could BE MYSELF and flirt at the same time. I do not feel that way in Taiwan, not at all. Did you see the post above from the guestbook from that Taiwanese New Zealander? He also said that he couldn't be himself in Taiwan. Maybe only Asian Americans feel that way here? Another ABC girl I met on Craigs List long ago told me by email that she felt weird in Taiwan and that Taiwanese guys wouldn't even flirt back with her.

There is a very tight, repressed vibe around people here and in the atmosphere itself. As a sensitive person and an empath, I probably feel it even more than an average person does.

I've been to Taipei many times, and didn't notice that the vibe was any different there. The buildings looked the same too. Only the streets were wider and the traffic more busy. Architecture in Asia looks pretty much the same everywhere, in small cities and big cities. To me, Taipei is like 20 Chiayi's put next to each other.

momopi wrote:Guess you've never been to countries where the taxi's have stickers that read "NO KISSING IN TAXI", and sitting at the park with your GF attracts the morality police who'd stand in front of you flipping his citation book as a warning. As a man you are a non-Mahram person of the opposite gender. Flirting is zina, vocal zina, and zina of the eyes. Haraam!


No I haven't. But there's a big difference between the laws being uptight vs. the people themselves. Regardless of laws, you can feel a woman's passion and personality, which laws can't change. Isn't this irrelevant to my point?

The point is, Middle Eastern women are NOT like NE Asian women. They are more relaxed and down to earth and easy to talk to, even though they are less attractive.

See this thread about it:

http://www.happierabroad.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=8812
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Postby Winston » Wed Aug 15, 2012 11:24 pm

Do these girls look approachable and open to you guys? lol

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Postby momopi » Thu Aug 16, 2012 8:07 pm

Winston wrote:Oh no. I don't have it figured out in Taiwan. I was only good at cold approaches in Russia, Eastern Europe and the Philippines. In those areas, I felt that I could BE MYSELF and flirt at the same time. I do not feel that way in Taiwan, not at all. Did you see the post above from the guestbook from that Taiwanese New Zealander? He also said that he couldn't be himself in Taiwan. Maybe only Asian Americans feel that way here? Another ABC girl I met on Craigs List long ago told me by email that she felt weird in Taiwan and that Taiwanese guys wouldn't even flirt back with her.


Out of 196 independent countries around the world, how many would you project that you'd be good at for cold approaches today?

As for the girls in picture above, I cannot say until I have personal interaction with them.
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Postby publicduende » Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:34 pm

It could be that I'm drunk right now and I feel like opening up. I actually met a girl from Taipei in 2006, who will probably smash anything that was said about Taiwanese girls and they "standard" behaviour. Her name was Claire (never knew her Chinese name), she was hot and open minded, we met on a website and started to talk over the phone almost immediately. A week later we were already having crazy webcam sex and she was begging me to visit her in Taipei for an interesting week or two. I obviously never took that flight, nonetheless she was my personal proof that at least some Taiwanese girls are far from cold and unapproachable as Winston and some other guys seem to imply...
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Postby Rayn » Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:11 am

That actually doesn't sound so reassuring, because there's always a few non-followers in a herd wherever you go. If you are an open-minded person in Taiwan, the key to scoring with a girl is to seek out ones with the same vibe as yours aka the open-minded types. An obvious point. However compared to other countries, there are fewer girls in Taiwan who are like that.

Besides, publicduende is a foreigner, and there is some kind of a logical loophole in the brains of Asians where foreigners can get away with being different - while those of the same herd are strongly ostracized from doing the same. Quite unfortunate for Winston who is in the other hand, a foreigner but Taiwanese by descent.
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Postby publicduende » Fri Aug 17, 2012 7:39 am

Rayn wrote:That actually doesn't sound so reassuring, because there's always a few non-followers in a herd wherever you go. If you are an open-minded person in Taiwan, the key to scoring with a girl is to seek out ones with the same vibe as yours aka the open-minded types. An obvious point. However compared to other countries, there are fewer girls in Taiwan who are like that.

Besides, publicduende is a foreigner, and there is some kind of a logical loophole in the brains of Asians where foreigners can get away with being different - while those of the same herd are strongly ostracized from doing the same. Quite unfortunate for Winston who is in the other hand, a foreigner but Taiwanese by descent.


I think you're absolutely right on the perception that foreigners may and will get away with a different set of behaviours than those of the locals. I feel this applies even more with Japan, a culture I know a lot more than Taiwan as I had a long-term Japanese gf and been there twice.

It's also true, though, that before reading this forum I had never thought of Taiwanese girls as particularly cold and unapproachable, or attached to traditional moral and family values. I could have been lucky. Or I could suffer from sample bias because most of the Taiwanese women I met (in person) were in London. I even had a fling with a 40-years old married woman from Taipei when I was a student. She was studying for a Masters in Law and had husband and two kids back home. And yet she didn't think twice before openly admitting that she did need some good sex, and I was the right young man at the right time. And of course she was good too :)
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Postby CerealKiller » Fri Aug 24, 2012 4:50 am

Hey guys,

My virgin post here on HA. First off, I wanna thank Rock, Winston, et al. for their unwavering devotion to getting laid, ummm I mean this site ;)

'Approaching Taiwan girls,' which I wasted the better part of a day reading :oops: is a classic thread. Can't believe I basically read it in its entirety. Rock obviously has the patience of a saint. And Winston... heh. Dude, there's always the option of leaving TW if you don't like it. This site is called Happier Abroad... right? No point trolling on and on about how TW is a living hell. And btw, aren't you yourself Taiwanese? What gives??

FWIW, when I visited TW a decade ago - and had no game at the time, to boot - I had no problem with the fine ladies over there. But hey, your mileage may vary!

Anyway, thanks again to everyone for your fervent devotion to getting laid. ;)
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Postby Winston » Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:47 pm

Here's a hot Taiwanese girl on OkCupid for you white guys. She says she can't live without sex and wants any nice white guy to message her.

http://www.okcupid.com/profile/flymeg

The most private thing I’m willing to admit
I can't live without sex.

You should message me if
Message me if you are white,
and have a really nice temper
and know how to treat a girl right :)


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