Winston wrote:Momopi,
Question: You said that Taiwanese girls aren't that conservative because they will check into love motels with their boyfriends to do their intimate thing. Is that really a basis for saying that they aren't conservative? lol. How do you account for the following, which says otherwise?
1. In Taiwan, girls won't let you kiss their hand if you are not their boyfriend. This is weird, because in other countries, women don't have a problem with a man kissing their hand. It's a gentlemenly thing and sign of respect and admiration. Even the Queen of England would let me kiss her hand. Sheesh. So why is it considered so improper and bad in Taiwan to kiss a girl's hand? It's definitely prudish and uptight for sure. So how is that "not conservative"?
2. In Taiwan, flirting is considered taboo and the behavior of creepy people. Why is that? How is that "not conservative"?
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What I said:
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Conservative in public, not so conservative in private with their boyfriends. A real conservative girl values her virginity, and real conservative parents wouldn't allow their unmarried daughter to go on trips with her BF, knowing that they'd be sleeping together. If you're looking to debate on what "conservative" means, find someone else with more time to waste. Kissing the hand in greeting is not an East Asian custom, I don't see why East Asians have to confirm to every silly foreign custom. And NO, it's NOT OK for you to kiss the Queens hand (see:
http://anthropologyworks.com/index.php/ ... for-grabs/).
I also don't see why you can't flirt with girls in private conversation, if she likes you and is receptive to it. I've had couple TW girls sent me photos in suggestive poses with the message "I don't want you to DIY to someone else". Quoting your words (
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"create a good rapport or good mood and energy with them" first. How fast this can be done depends on how well you click with her. And if you're not clicking, why force it?
Winston wrote:
I already explained it to you. If you ask girls how they met their boyfriends, they will just say that they met them through school or friends, or whatever, and then they clicked. It's a pretty standard response. What will I learn from that that I can use to my advantage? How will that help me understand why I can't get any hot girls in Taiwan? It won't.
First, you're the one who asked "How did a nerdy looking plain guy like him get a cutie like that?" in this thread.
Second, is "how did you two meet" not a good conversation starter to get to know people better, build friendships, and expand your social network in TW? Girls have single female friends, school mates, coworkers, and relatives. Just because the girl is dating someone today, doesn't mean that she's not looking for someone better tomorrow. You should already know all this.
Winston wrote:Momopi,
Did you see this question I asked you earlier in this thread?
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So my question Momopi is, how do you play the dating game in Taiwan, given the above? Can you explain this, without another irrelevant wisecrack or spin that deviates from the question at hand? This is a serious question that I really want answers to.
Your question of "how do you play the dating game in TW" and its answer has already been discussed here:
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As you know, I do not reside in TW. When I visit TW I am the visitor. As the guest, it's the girl's responsibility as host to take me to places in her city. The ones that I have no chemistry with would have already been filtered out months prior. When you talk to the girl on IM or Skype over weeks or months, you'll find out exactly how interesting you really are to her.
Now, let's examine your statement here:
Winston wrote:
What I'm saying is that if I have a positive friendly meeting or interaction with a girl, I can't just contact her the next day and say, "It was nice meeting you. You are pretty cool. What are you up to? Are you free tomorrow? Maybe we can meet for coffee or something." like I can in the rest of the "normal world".
So how can you meet them again or date anyone, for that matter, if you aren't allowed to ask them out directly? I don't get it. Are you supposed to chat with them forever and wait til they offer to meet you again? What if they never do? How is it supposed to work in Taiwan?
If the girl has given you her IM or phone #, then she has given you an opportunity to chat her up and see if you two will click. It's an opportunity for you to "
create a good rapport or good mood and energy" with her. When you say "hey let's meet for a coffee", this is what she sees in her mind:
If I called up a girl (here in CA) and wanted to ask her out, I'd blab like this: "blah blah blah... oh yeah I found this great sushi place, they have this nigiri called shrimp boat... NO it's not a sushi boat... it's sweet amaebi shrimp sitting on top of a nigri, cut in the center to rest a beautiful yellow quail egg yoke, garnished with beautiful reddish masago roe, with dash of tabasco sauce and green onions on top... OMG, when you bite into it, the burst of flavor and texture is incredible, like having an orgasm on your tongue..." Do this well enough that she'd be yelling "Hey I wanna eat that...!" I did this to a girl, took her to the restaurant, and ended up having to take her parents the following week after she raved about it at home.
So, you know that I don't live in TW. Hypothetically, if I were to move to TW today and had my own place, I'd consider going to the department store to procure a convection oven, and order a bunch of cupcake baking supplies. Baking cupcakes is like low-skill level stuff. I'd bake a bunch of mini cupcakes in various flavors and call up the girl and blab about it, then ask her to taste test it and see if the stuff would sell in TW. Great thing about mini cupcakes is that they fit into egg cartons and they're easy to decorate (not a lot of surface area to squeeze stuff onto anyway). If the girl won't come over for freshly baked delicious cupcakes then I can deliver. If things go well she'd end up coming over to my kitchen to help (and eat) for fun, and cupcakes will turn into lamb racks with rosemary herbed crust & mint sauce for dinner & movie on my couch. I have NO idea if any of this would work, but it's an example of the direction that I'd take. Heck if it works out I could start another fad in TW and sell franchises.
Do you understand where the sushi and the cupcakes fit in
"create good rapport or good mood and energy" ? Do better than "a cup of coffee", please.