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Postby davewe » Fri Mar 22, 2013 8:59 pm

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/ ... 2ca60aRCRD

A child has to be 21 (and already a citizen) to petition a parent to get a Green Card. So in order to avoid marrying Diane it would be many years till your son could himself petition for her.

But of course to get your child a green card and then citizenship takes the following:
http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis/ ... 2ca60aRCRD
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Postby targetguy » Sat Mar 23, 2013 1:26 am

8) I know if i had a kid in a foreign country i think the las is the mother can be a citizen when the child is grown? But even so if i had a kid of my own blood i would like to help the child and give the child a chance at a better life. The worse that could happen is child support and maybe a prenuptial agreement will help. There is a possiblility of almony but this is the chance people take in marriage and usually that only applies to a long term marriage of 10 yrs or more. The foreign national law is funny if you have a child and married in a foreign country child support and alimonoy dont apply but if you get married in the usa the laws apply. I have a fiance who has a former usa husband but not a usa citizen because married in pi. Her life has been tuff over the years and to me the law for usa citizizens should let those married to a usa citizen go here even if the marriiage was in the pi. NOt everyone out there is wanting to go to the usa because of the economic conditions here now.
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Postby Mr S » Sat Mar 23, 2013 2:48 am

Winston wrote:
Mr S wrote:I am well aware of this, as I went through the process myself so how would I not know? I am speaking through personal experience. They are pretty anal retentive there. Have you actually talked to one in person yet and gone through the process yet? I doubt it. Take what is written by the American government with a grain of salt, what they say and actually do are two different things. I had pictures too but they didn't give a shit. It may work to your favor that you have more pictures over a longer period of time, whereas on the other hand they will question why you waited so long, why you don't live together and what not.

However, do you honestly think the American government is going to just give you a free pass with some pictures? Even though it states it is up to their discretion, they don't seem to have high regards for males. Cause an American woman can have a child out of wedlock then she can petition the child for citizenship only on her word alone. All she has to do is produce a birth certificate, which could be real or faked. The kid may not even be hers but if she says it is then it will get citizenship. While a man on the other hand is not given the benefit of the doubt and is automatically a suspect for fraud and has to jump through all these hoops and spend a lot of money if he really wants to obtain citizenship for his son/daughter. It's the same favoritism shown in America towards woman overseas. So yes, you can bring your pictures and whatnot but don't be surprised if they still want you to take a DNA test, that is what I am saying. You are assuming the American government takes the benefit of the doubt, which it doesn't. Which is one of the reasons you don't live there to begin with.

All the American government wants is money from its citizen serfs, that's why they have raised fees on everything at the embassy now. So you having to produce proof like a DNA test, certified birth certificate copies, them charging you to make an appointment and all kinds of other stupid crap is part of their little game they play. I don't know how much the whole process would cost now but when I did it I ended up spending maybe 700-800 bucks all together. All this crap just makes more money for them and weeds out potential scammers in their eyes.


Did you get US citizenship for your daughter? If so, why don't you just bring her to the states?

The US government tends to go by the book. Yes I've been to the US embassy and their staff were nice and professional with me. I think it depends on who you get. Also the type of vibe you give off. Staff tend to like me because I look sincere, credible, nice, down to earth, genuine and innocent. That's why I do well in job interviews. I come across as someone very believable and trustworthy. Even US customs staff have always been nice to me. I've never had a problem with US officials except a few a-hole cops here and there. Therefore, the way you were treated may not be representative of the way I will be treated.

A DNA test is usually done at a hospital. The US government would not make money off of it, so why would they order an unnecessary test?

I don't mind if the embassy staff ask me questions about why I waited so long. I'll just tell them the truth and be honest. They will respect that usually. My experience with them is not as grim as yours.

The fees for applying for citizenship for your child on their website are around 100 dollars for the application fee. Not 700 or 800. Where did you get that?

Here is the website of the US embassy in the Philippines. On this page, it has a checklist of the requirements for getting US citizenship for your child.

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/manila/19452/pdfs/Citizenship%20-%20CRBA%20Checklist%20for%20MANILA%20applicants%20-%20Revised%20Feb%202013.pdf

Overview
http://manila.usembassy.gov/service/citizenship/first-time-report-of-birth-abroad7.html

As you can see, the process is very tedious and extensive, which is why I gave up in 2008 when I tried to start it. In the checklist above, it says this about situations that may require a DNA test:

Evidence of the couple’s relationship prior to the conception of the applicant.

The burden of proving a claim to U.S. citizenship, including a blood relationship, is on the person making such claim.

Photos prior to the time of conception, letters, and other correspondence may help establish the couple’s relationship prior to the conception of the applicant. Bring original documents and photocopy of each. Genetic testing is a useful tool for verifying a stated biological relationship when no other form of credible evidence is available in conjunction with a CRBA or passport application. For more information, read the DNA testing procedures on the Embassy’s website as follows:
http://photos.state.gov/libraries/manila/350862/ACSConsular_001/DNA%20Information%20Sheet%20_updated%20DEC%2016%20%202011_.pdf

NOTE: Do not initiate DNA testing unless it was recommended by the Embassy for your pending CRBA application. A DNA test done independently and not according to Department of State procedures will notbe accepted.


Here is their document regarding the DNA testing option to establish parentage:

http://photos.state.gov/libraries/manila/350862/ACS-Consular_001/DNA%20Information%20Sheet%20_updated%20DEC%2016%20%202011_.pdf

In it, it mentions a DNA testing fee of 1500p (approx 35 USD) paid to St. Luke's hospital in Manila. What does that mean? Does a DNA test really only cost 35 dollars? How come when I emailed St. Luke's hospital before, they told me that a DNA test would cost 60,000p? That's odd. Here is what the document says about the fee:

6. On the collection appointment date:

a. Applicant proceeds to St. Luke‟s to pay the collection fee of 1,500 pesos per case
in cash.
b. After paying at St. Luke‟s, the applicant then proceeds to American Citizen
Services Section (Room 13 or 14) , where the specimen collection will be
conducted.
c. All parties having a DNA specimen collection need to bring appropriate ID to the
collection appointment. Adults should bring a passport or valid governmentissued ID and school aged children should bring a school-issued ID; a copy of the
birth certificate will be provided for non-school aged children.
d. DNA specimen will be collected by St. Luke‟s medical technologist and
witnessed by an American officer (at the collection area inside the Embassy).
e. DNA test kits in sealed envelopes are then shipped back to the AABB-accredited
laboratory for interpretation/matching.


You're not reading into what I'm saying correctly, I didn't say the application fee costs 700-800 dollars, I stated the whole process after completion of coming through all the BS cost that much. Why would you think a DNA test from St Lukes would cost just 35 dollars, that's a laugher. I'm not going to go into details as to what exactly this and that costs for various fees because this was in 2006 so prices have gone way up. But think about it you have to pay the application fee, the express mail delivery to receive the passport/ documents/Birth certificates, lots of pictures of various sizes, etc which is Air21 I think, pay for the actual passport, official stamped copies of Birth certificate from PI government office , hospital DNA costs, transportation doing all this, food, lost time, etc.

I did this all back in 2006, I've already told you this but either it didn't register with you or you forgot. I probably have old posts about it buried on the board somewhere. So my kid went when she was only around 7-8 months and when they are that age they can't tell by just looking at the kid and pictures. You may have better luck now cause your kid is older, but he does look more like Diane so who knows what they will decide. I never talked to an actual American staff member only one of the local hired ones and she was one of those typical upscale ones that had an attitude so she probably wanted to stick it to me. Perhaps if I had talked to an actual American citizen I could have avoided the DNA test.

Why would I bring her to America? Why did you create the website HappierAbroad? Why do you and almost everyone on this board complain about American Women and their attitudes? Why would I want to go back to the Corporate Fascist Socialist States of American and get sucked back into the rat race and unending drudgery of the American lifestyle and dealing with all the BS I got away from initially? Why would I want to deal with forced celibacy or have to date fat mean-faced clipped haired American women with an attitude? The job market sucks, the dollar is tanking, the economy is imploding, never-ending taxes and fines for all kinds of BS now, forced Obamacare whether you need it or not, etc, etc and the list goes on into infinity almost.

Although the Philippines has its own problems I'd rather be here than in USA at the moment. As long as I have my own income at a decent level I have way more freedom and a better style of living than what I could afford in the states. Plus I can send my kid to the Manila Waldorf school surrounded by high-end Filipino families that actually have decent values and a brain. The school costs less than 5000 dollars a year vs. the American ones which range anywhere from 10,000-20,000 dollars a year depending on the location and state. I would never torture my kid by sending her to an American public school or typical private school, as they both have too many negatives nowadays. Plus I don't want her turning into the typical American Bitch with an attitude problem or constantly having to fight with these types of women. If I moved back to the states I would have to work somewhere full-time or two shitty part time jobs because of Obamacare and thus wouldn't be able to home school her myself as an option. I would never marry a Filipina, i.e. her mother cause for one I don't really believe in institutionalized marriage sanctioned by a government and also even if I pondered the option Filipinas are generally long-term liabilities rather than assets. I'd rather find another nationality that can bring something to a marriage long-term if I was going to decide to ever get married, which may or may nor ever happen in my lifetime. Marriage for me is only a viable option for long-term residencies, potential citizenship in another country or creating family integration for some kind of political or business/money reason. I don't necessarily believe in marriage for love purposes or just baby making. I believe in the old-school marriage, which doesn't really exist for the average person anymore, only perhaps power elites that can skirt around all the BS laws aimed at rewarding woman in a marriage and destroying any male authority over his wife and children, which was once the case in Western countries. The government is the main husband now, men are just the money-making serfs for the marriage binding contract, little to no rights legally.

If I do ever decide to have her go to the states it would maybe be just for high school and only if I could afford sending her to a local Waldorf school there or a good private school, no public schools. Also America would have to get it's shit straightened out by then for me even to consider a move back temporarily and I am not convinced this will even happen. I'd rather wait it out on the other side of the globe while waiting out the impeding banking collapse that's coming and whatever the end results of that will be. However, I may just move to New Zealand if I want her to get a Western style high school eduction or send her to University over there rather than America. America is super-lame now and just getting worse not better.

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Re: Should Winston get US citizenship for his son and Dianne

Postby MatureDJ » Sun Mar 24, 2013 11:31 am

Winston wrote:
Banano wrote:Was Dianne a bar girl at some stage of her life???

So you went to AC and got bar girl pregnant,
abandoned her and your son and now you want to bring them back to USA?


I feel sorry for your son, now I definitely think procreation should be priviledge not right

Government should step in and castrate 70% of people


No you idiot. She's not a bar girl. I already told you that a BILLION TRILLION times. Why are you so dumb to ask that question over and over again like it's never been addressed. So stupid and annoying! So who's going to ask that stupid question again next?

We met in an internet cafe in a Filipino neighborhood. Before we met, she did work as a hostess in an upscale Japanese/Korean type of bar that was not even on Fields Ave. But she didn't last there long as she did not fit into that type of scene at all, nor could she pretend to be nice to customers and clients that she didn't like. She wasn't cut out for it. Most of her jobs have been in waitressing.


WWu did mention that she was an erotic webcam chat girl - so instead of being a whore, she was a tease.
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Postby anamericaninbangkok » Mon May 13, 2013 12:01 am

Definitely...both of my sons have American citizenship and Thai and American passports. It gives them more options, not to mention you and your wife.
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Postby JoeSmith » Sat May 18, 2013 1:30 am

davewe wrote:
eurobrat wrote:Please Winston do not bring him to the USA to dump him on the system. There's enough of that here already. And then what's next Diane collecting food stamps, welfare, Obama phone's?

Honestly the Philippines doesn't look that bad for right now for your son. Public schools here are rough, tons of bullying. I think it's better for him to come here as a young adult.


That's my point - you can't do that. If you sponsor anyone for a Visa and they use social services - the US government goes after you!


Davewe is correct here. The government will sue you if you sponsor someone coming to the USA then that person goes on welfare.
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Postby Falcon » Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:35 am

Mr S wrote:You may have better luck now cause your kid is older, but he does look more like Diane so who knows what they will decide.


In some photos, Angelo looks like he could be pure NE Asian. I showed some Taiwanese people this picture of Angelo, and they said "he has a Taiwanese face." Angelo's overall features are also less Malay-looking than Dianne's.

It's quite obvious that Winston is the father.

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Re: Should Winston get US citizenship for his son Angelo?

Postby MrMan » Sun Dec 28, 2014 8:44 am

Just responding to the OP without a lot of background information...

If you have a son, you should provide for him and try to give him the best education you can. Whether that is in the US or not is a judgment call. When someone gets a greencard, the sponsor has to agree to be financially responsible if said individual gets any 'means tested benefits.'

Not wanting to take care of your son out of some sort of fear of potential legal and financial problems doesn't sound very honorable to me. Of course, you don't have to raise him in the US to take care of him. At this point in history, he may be able to get a better education in the US. If you are paying to support him, you may be able to afford to give more money if he's in the Philippines. Dad in his life may be worth much more than money you send.

Is there a reason you couldn't just marry the child's mother and just settle down with her?
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Re: Should Winston get US citizenship for his son Angelo?

Postby Winston » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:09 pm

MrMan wrote:Just responding to the OP without a lot of background information...

If you have a son, you should provide for him and try to give him the best education you can. Whether that is in the US or not is a judgment call. When someone gets a greencard, the sponsor has to agree to be financially responsible if said individual gets any 'means tested benefits.'

Not wanting to take care of your son out of some sort of fear of potential legal and financial problems doesn't sound very honorable to me. Of course, you don't have to raise him in the US to take care of him. At this point in history, he may be able to get a better education in the US. If you are paying to support him, you may be able to afford to give more money if he's in the Philippines. Dad in his life may be worth much more than money you send.

Is there a reason you couldn't just marry the child's mother and just settle down with her?


Why are you reviving these old threads? And how are you finding them? What keywords are you searching for in our search engine to find such threads?

You sound like you have the outdated mentality from the 1980's that America = A better life. We've all debunked that to death long ago. Where have you been? No one here thinks that anymore.

FYI, I do not agree that America gives you a better education. Maybe its colleges do, but not its public schools. The public school system is no different than a prison. It's very oppressive and the kids bully you. The environment is highly toxic. It tears you down and then tells you there's something wrong with you, which is cruel and unjust. Didn't you read my thread about how America is a psychological bully? Why would you want to put your kids through that?!?! And why would you want to put your kids in an environment where they will be bullied by losers and stupid kids who are dysfunctional? WHY?!?!?!?!?!?

I do not have a positive view of education anyway. I was bullied and traumatized in public school. I suffered MORE than you can possibly imagine. Didn't you read my childhood story? http://www.happierabroad.com/Childhood.htm
So I have a chip on my shoulder against school. I am not pro-education at all. All my experience was negative there, and I am psychologically scarred for life from it. So don't talk to me about the importance of school dude.

FYI my son is already happy with his private school in Angeles City. He is doing well there and is now ranked #2 in his class. His environment at school is more positive and supportive, not strict, mean and oppressed like schools in America and Taiwan, which condition you to be a slave and a robot. Why would you want to change all that for the worse?! WTF?!

As to getting married and settling down with his mom, I explained that a thousand times already. Where have you been? The reasons are:

1. Because I'm not in love with his mom and we don't have any romantic chemistry or soulmate chemistry. She is not even passionate or sensual. I prefer to marry someone I have a soulmate connection with who is closer to my level, in terms of class and soul level. Otherwise I would regret it and have to spend tons of money in a divorce. I'm not the type of guy who makes commitments that are wrong for him, especially permanent lifetime commitments.
2. I like to date other women. I'm not monogamous. If I found the right person, I might be, but Murphy's Law never lets me be with the right person for long. I desire to meet and date other women. It's my top passion in life. It's what makes me tick. It's not something I can just choose not to do because others say so.
3. I don't like permanent attachments or making lifetime promises and commitments I don't want to keep. To do so would be foolish and dishonest.
4. Men who crave sexual variety should not get married.
5. I'm not ready to give up other women yet. I don't want to spend the rest of my life never having dated the hot Chinese women I dream of and always wondering about it. Marriage means committing to one woman until I die, and if there's no afterlife, then I will never get to experience Chinese women for all eternity. Think about it.

So what do you expect me to do?
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Postby Banano » Sun Dec 28, 2014 3:15 pm

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Who is the other kid, looks like some old man trapped in young body :lol: :P


Angelos brother??
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Postby Winston » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:14 pm

Mr S wrote:You're not reading into what I'm saying correctly, I didn't say the application fee costs 700-800 dollars, I stated the whole process after completion of coming through all the BS cost that much. Why would you think a DNA test from St Lukes would cost just 35 dollars, that's a laugher. I'm not going to go into details as to what exactly this and that costs for various fees because this was in 2006 so prices have gone way up. But think about it you have to pay the application fee, the express mail delivery to receive the passport/ documents/Birth certificates, lots of pictures of various sizes, etc which is Air21 I think, pay for the actual passport, official stamped copies of Birth certificate from PI government office , hospital DNA costs, transportation doing all this, food, lost time, etc.

I did this all back in 2006, I've already told you this but either it didn't register with you or you forgot. I probably have old posts about it buried on the board somewhere. So my kid went when she was only around 7-8 months and when they are that age they can't tell by just looking at the kid and pictures. You may have better luck now cause your kid is older, but he does look more like Diane so who knows what they will decide. I never talked to an actual American staff member only one of the local hired ones and she was one of those typical upscale ones that had an attitude so she probably wanted to stick it to me. Perhaps if I had talked to an actual American citizen I could have avoided the DNA test.


But the small expenses you list do not add up anywhere near 700 or 800 dollars. Come on. For some reason, white men tend to like to exaggerate numbers. Must be something in their DNA or blood. lol.

Also I don't understand why St. Luke's hospital told me that the DNA test costs 60,000p but the US embassy website says it costs 1500p. That's a huge difference. Why would the US embassy website be that wrong? Maybe they have a contract with the hospital to do the test at a special rate.
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Postby Winston » Sun Dec 28, 2014 5:19 pm

Banano wrote:Who is the other kid, looks like some old man trapped in young body :lol: :P


Angelos brother??


That's just one of Dianne's many relatives or neighbors. Why do you ask such a pointless irrelevant question? What a waste of time. What does it matter who he is? What if he's the prince of the Philippines Empire? So what? It has nothing to do with your life or goals or anything going on here.
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Re: Should Winston get US citizenship for his son Angelo?

Postby Mr S » Mon Dec 29, 2014 4:50 pm

Why would I want to exaggerate numbers for? What personal gain would I have in doing so? Those numbers are based on the time and money spent running around doing all the crap I needed to do to get the citizenship verified and everything else associated with it back in 2006.

Why do you think all white people inflate numbers? That's like saying all black people like eating fried chicken and watermelon while washing it down with some grape soda,that's ignorant nonsense talk.

That was back in 2006, so obviously overall prices will be less in some areas and more in others. The DNA test may be cheaper now cause back then I had to do a blood test but now they do the cheek swab so technology has gotten cheaper over the last 10 years.However I do remember having to pay a lot for the DNA test, you're lucky it's cheaper now but I think they bumped up the sample dna verification evidence to 99.5+% so I think that has increased than what I needed to get my daughter confirmed. So if the lab in any way makes a mistake contaminating the sample then it will come back wrong. I think the cheek swab has more potential for errors than the blood samples, imo.

ALSO, I think the cost of the DNA test kit is separate from the cost of St Lukes doing the actual testing. That's probably why they only show 1500p to do the testing but they don't actually quote the cost of the DNA kit itself. I don't think it would cost 60,000p that's way too much.
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Re: Should Winston get US citizenship for his son Angelo?

Postby MrMan » Mon Dec 29, 2014 8:08 pm

Winston,

I check the top 100 list. Someone else revived the thread and I didn't realize it was so old.

I didn't say the best education had to be in the US, btw.

If being bullied in school is bad, imagine growing up without a father in your life. That's got to be a tough row to hoe, too. It's one of the reasons sleeping around with women you aren't married to is an immoral thing to do. Even if you try to use condoms (which take a lot of the fun out of it) or other methods of birth control, they aren't 100%. Then you find yourself in a situation where you deprive a child of having a father in his life on a regular basis. I know my comments are personal. But this is a free speech forum, and it's something you should really think about if you are going around sexually adventuring, producing little kids who don't have a daddy in their life. I'm not talking about just sending money. I'm talking about relationships.
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